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casing experiment (turned into a sucessful MINI CASING!) NEW PICS!!
    #7621688 - 11/11/07 11:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I say this is an experiment. I guess its more of a test of how little substrate I can use. I had a little bit of a wbs pint jar of amazon that was like an inch or so at teh bottom of the jar and had nothing to do so i put a small layer of verm on the bottom of a 5.5 x 5.5 x 2 inch ziplock plastic container. I covered the sides with foil and leveled off the wbs amazon which was like a half inch thick and layed 50/50 casing mix on top, like a half inch. I coved it with foil and put in on top my fridge. Every two days now I see myc poking out the top and have kightly patched it with more casing mix, I am seeing if I can do this a few times and actually get a shroom or shrooms to grow out of this mini casing that was made with only like a quarter pint of wbs amazon. 

If its enough to make 2 amazon prints, awesome because I only had that  little wbs of the amazon left and now I could turn it into 2 prints, bam  the strain is saved for another day.  Just to make sure I didn't loose the strain I also took a single wbs grain that was colonized and dropped it onto an agar plate, this morning after 4 days I have dicaryotic growth.

You can tell I'm getting bored this weekend :smile:
I'll post pics if i get a fruit off this little casing.

Kat


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08/2/07 Inoculated mycobag with Brazilian, 3cc
08/08/07 First mycelium show
09/03/07 Brazilian still colonizing, Three Mycobags inoculated with Koi Somui
10/11/07 2 Pint PESA 100% colonized. 1 pint Amazon 90% colonized
10/12/07 Storage bin perite FC constructed
10/28/07 Havested my First ever flush, of PESA!


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Re: casing experiment [Re: katfish]
    #7628160 - 11/12/07 09:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I patched it a litte this morning and leveled it off, the mycileum is growing all around the sides and on the bottom and i know its pretty solid because I pushed the bottom and the whole brick comes up. I am gonna move it into the FC tomarrow morning or midday. I know its gonna make a few shrooms. I say like 3-5 grams of dry hopefully.  I found out my casing mix has manure in it so that is why this is working sorta. The myc is feeding on the little manure in the casing mix. Also it has a lotta verm in there.

Myc feed on Verm right? it is a nutrient subtance i think.

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08/2/07 Inoculated mycobag with Brazilian, 3cc
08/08/07 First mycelium show
09/03/07 Brazilian still colonizing, Three Mycobags inoculated with Koi Somui
10/11/07 2 Pint PESA 100% colonized. 1 pint Amazon 90% colonized
10/12/07 Storage bin perite FC constructed
10/28/07 Havested my First ever flush, of PESA!


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Re: casing experiment [Re: katfish]
    #7628400 - 11/12/07 11:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I was about to write up a whole little verm spiel and then I saw the number of posts and just hung my head in shame


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Re: casing experiment [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #7630932 - 11/13/07 02:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

hmm. So lemme search to see what ya mean.
I think you are trying to say you were gonna write up a thread about how verm is nutritious for myc but there were already so many.
Right?


anyway I looked at it this morning and saw the myc poking out in like 2 half dollar size circles. I am gonna wait until the myc has a even hold on the top of the casing mix, if it looks like it can take it I am gonna put another thin casing layer on top right before I drop it in the FC, otherwise I am gonna let the top layer get colonized and then drop into FC.

But what I have learned from doing my first casing is that the pinset is supposed to break out from under the casing layer, it casuses the pins to break through because they are searching for light i believe.

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08/2/07 Inoculated mycobag with Brazilian, 3cc
08/08/07 First mycelium show
09/03/07 Brazilian still colonizing, Three Mycobags inoculated with Koi Somui
10/11/07 2 Pint PESA 100% colonized. 1 pint Amazon 90% colonized
10/12/07 Storage bin perite FC constructed
10/28/07 Havested my First ever flush, of PESA!


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Re: casing experiment [Re: katfish]
    #7630966 - 11/13/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Verm is in no way nutritious. It is an inert mineral substance.

And what he meant to do was correct you but felt ashamed that a guy with 40 posts had to correct someone with over 200


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Re: casing experiment [Re: Nibin]
    #7633418 - 11/13/07 11:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

oh. Well it must be growing because of the little manure and worm castings that are in my casing mix that I got off a ebay seller.

I just figured maybe verm was a nute because it is mixed with the BRF, i guess it is just used to keep the cake stable form.

It is looking more and more awesome as the days go.


Should I wait until I have a healthy layer of rhyzo sticking uniformly out of the casing layer until I put into the FC?
I was thinking of waiting until I get a good layer of myc on the top, then casing again and putting in the FC.

What do you suggest?

I figure 5 or 6 good shrooms will come out of the first flush considering the size. This is just to hold me over until I get my coir or hpoo in.

KaT


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08/2/07 Inoculated mycobag with Brazilian, 3cc
08/08/07 First mycelium show
09/03/07 Brazilian still colonizing, Three Mycobags inoculated with Koi Somui
10/11/07 2 Pint PESA 100% colonized. 1 pint Amazon 90% colonized
10/12/07 Storage bin perite FC constructed
10/28/07 Havested my First ever flush, of PESA!


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Re: casing experiment [Re: katfish]
    #7633434 - 11/13/07 11:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Vermiculite is used because it holds alot of moisture and is very cheap.


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Re: casing experiment [Re: psycho_bin_farma]
    #7634144 - 11/14/07 09:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Ahh mosture holding abilties. Why is perlite used then? It holds water better than verm.

anyway I checked on the 5.5 x 5.5 inch ziplock container today and It is about 50 percent covered on the top with rhyzomorphic myc, i took the foil off on the sides and it is all white up the sides and on the bottom. It is really taking a hold in this mostly non nutrient casing.
If you want to know what casing mix I am using PM me. I really think its the worm casings and little bit of manure that is in the casing mix that is making all the difference.

Katfish


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08/2/07 Inoculated mycobag with Brazilian, 3cc
08/08/07 First mycelium show
09/03/07 Brazilian still colonizing, Three Mycobags inoculated with Koi Somui
10/11/07 2 Pint PESA 100% colonized. 1 pint Amazon 90% colonized
10/12/07 Storage bin perite FC constructed
10/28/07 Havested my First ever flush, of PESA!


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Re: casing experiment [Re: katfish]
    #7634175 - 11/14/07 09:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

katfish said:
Ahh mosture holding abilties. Why is perlite used then? It holds water better than verm.




Perlite has incredibly high surface area, it is used for humidifying and things like that, it "holds" practically no water. Perlite removed from a moist environment will evaporate and dry in no time, exactly the opposite of vermiculite. This is why it is often used to aerate soils, because it is just airy fluff.


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Re: casing experiment [Re: urayasan]
    #7634541 - 11/14/07 11:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Read this:
http://www.shroomery.org/9734/Can-I-substitute-Vermiculite-with-Perlite-in-my-cake

I know it deals with cakes but it also explains the differences between verm and perlite


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Re: casing experiment [Re: Nibin]
    #7635732 - 11/14/07 03:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

nice. that was a good read and definitly explains the difference.

I am still wondering what the myc can be feeding on.

(50/50+ Mushroom Casing Mix with Manure, Lime and Worm Casings) thats what is called and whats in the mix.

Manure is the only nutrient source unless soil provides nutes? I believe that it is used to hold water since this is for casing.

Its weird, I took a little of grain and its like spawning (like you would do with coir or hpoo) to this mix.

I will post pics lata.

Katfish


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08/2/07 Inoculated mycobag with Brazilian, 3cc
08/08/07 First mycelium show
09/03/07 Brazilian still colonizing, Three Mycobags inoculated with Koi Somui
10/11/07 2 Pint PESA 100% colonized. 1 pint Amazon 90% colonized
10/12/07 Storage bin perite FC constructed
10/28/07 Havested my First ever flush, of PESA!


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Re: casing experiment [Re: katfish]
    #7637921 - 11/15/07 12:05 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well I just looked under the foil of this mini casing as I am calling it and it was 80% colonized with lots of good ryhzo growth poking out the casing mix.

I found out the only thing in this mix is lime, manure, worm casings, verm and its mostly soil.

I will take some pics tommarrow.

Do you guys think I sould put another casing layer over the rhyzo thats taking over the top or just leave it in the FC not cased?

I am pretty sure it will pin either way, and this is an experiment, I can always lay some casing down on the 2nd flush. I am only expecting like 6 shrooms every flush, we are talking a 5.5 x 5.5 ziplock container that i started with 1/5 of a pint jar of WBS amazon.

Katfish

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08/2/07 Inoculated mycobag with Brazilian, 3cc
08/08/07 First mycelium show
09/03/07 Brazilian still colonizing, Three Mycobags inoculated with Koi Somui
10/11/07 2 Pint PESA 100% colonized. 1 pint Amazon 90% colonized
10/12/07 Storage bin perite FC constructed
10/28/07 Havested my First ever flush, of PESA!


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Re: casing experiment [Re: katfish]
    #7640475 - 11/15/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well I put it in the FC today. I am still not sure if I am supposed to case it again or just leave it uncased, it has been in there for about 6 hours now.

Someone either sugesst I case it or leave it alone, ASAP
I am not really sure whats best.

Here is a picture of the top showing rhyzo!


And here is a side pic with the foil off, you can see how little grain i used, it must only be 2cm high of wbs at the bottom of this little bugger. I just can't believe its colonizing the whole thing :smile:


Wait til I get some pins, then this will be a total success. I took a inch of Amazon WBS at the bottom of a jar and made shrooms with it, at least I hope thats what I can say. we will see.

now the question is to case more or not to case?

Katfish


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Re: casing experiment [Re: katfish]
    #7644185 - 11/16/07 01:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well i decided to case it this morning after reading a bunch of related threads. The colonization was complete on the top, so I figured what the
hell. I will post pics if I get pins.

KaT


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Re: casing experiment [Re: katfish]
    #7651941 - 11/18/07 06:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

the casing material is still on the top and no myc growth on the top. I have no pins yet, its only been in there three days, I figure it will be a week or two before I get pins. :smile:


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Re: casing experiment [Re: katfish]
    #7661513 - 11/21/07 02:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

the myc has started growing through the casing layer. I am having my doubts as if a casing as small as this can work, but we will see.


if it doesn't pin can't i just spawn the contents of this mini casing to some straw?

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Re: casing experiment [Re: katfish]
    #7680309 - 11/26/07 12:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i got back today and guess what shrooms!!!





I am gonna make a bunch of these!
sweet!


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08/2/07 Inoculated mycobag with Brazilian, 3cc
08/08/07 First mycelium show
09/03/07 Brazilian still colonizing, Three Mycobags inoculated with Koi Somui
10/11/07 2 Pint PESA 100% colonized. 1 pint Amazon 90% colonized
10/12/07 Storage bin perite FC constructed
10/28/07 Havested my First ever flush, of PESA!


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Re: casing experiment [Re: katfish]
    #7680355 - 11/26/07 01:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't really say that's sweet, I've seen bigger yields out of a 1/2 pint jar. That looks like a waste of time and materials. But it's your time.


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Re: casing experiment [Re: eleven34]
    #7680373 - 11/26/07 01:14 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

well seeing how this is only the second thing i have grown shrooms out of i think its pretty cool you can make casings this small fruit.

kF


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08/2/07 Inoculated mycobag with Brazilian, 3cc
08/08/07 First mycelium show
09/03/07 Brazilian still colonizing, Three Mycobags inoculated with Koi Somui
10/11/07 2 Pint PESA 100% colonized. 1 pint Amazon 90% colonized
10/12/07 Storage bin perite FC constructed
10/28/07 Havested my First ever flush, of PESA!


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