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budsmoke
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Using salvia extract sublingualy
#7620383 - 11/10/07 09:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=26649
Read there that someone did this. Does it work? I can't smoke my slavia, but would like to try it this way.
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Drewwyann
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Re: Using salvia extract sublingualy [Re: budsmoke]
#7620431 - 11/10/07 09:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I tried using 6x sublingually. Absolutely no effect. Maybe a little bit of placebo, but that was it. I held it in for well over 30 minutes before being repulsed by the bitter taste.
Overall, I don't think it works unless it is fresh leaf.
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TripityDooDaDay
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Re: Using salvia extract sublingualy [Re: Drewwyann]
#7620445 - 11/10/07 10:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know nothing about this as I really enjoy the sudden rush and intensity of smoked extract and don't like the slow come up from sub lingual dosing. My thoughts however is that a clean green extract such as made using naptha washes to remove waxes and tannins may work well. Most commercial extracts however are not made that way and are fairly heavy with waxes that may prevent good absorption. Try making an alcohol tincture from it and use that instead. I may be wrong about that but I do now for a fact that it takes a lot more sublingually to get effects than when smoked so, at least up the amount a lot.
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Cameron
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Registered: 10/31/07
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Loc: Canada
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I recently tried an alcohol based sub lingual extract (Daniel Siebert's 'Green Goddess' extract) for the first time, and then a second time last night. The first try, I used what was recommended for a moderate dose, and felt very mild effects: numbness of mouth, overall heavy body feel, drowsiness, mild euphoria. The second time around, I upped the dosage a little bit, splitting it into two fifteen minute moderate doses and experienced more powerful effects: numbness of mouth, overall feeling of intense relaxation, mild visual distortion, moderate euphoria, slight drowsiness, and what I can only describe as a lucid mindset (creative thoughts were flowing with ease; I felt much more clearheaded than usual).
Now, the extracts definitely work (depending on which extract you buy - I'm sure some are more concentrated than others). There are drawbacks, though. Daniel Siebert (of sagewisdom.org), who is probably the most prominent researcher and promoter of salvia, claims that most people need to use these extracts several times before it's full effects are felt (which coincides with my experience). Meaning, the first few attempts may do nothing or close to it, and they are expensive attempts. The bottle I bought cost me $65.00, and it came with 18 droppers of liquid. A strong dose (which is probably what you'll need for desired effects) consists of four or five droppers, meaning you'll only get three or four decent trips out of the bottle - possibly less, depending on your tolerance. Another con is the fact that this alcohol tincture that you have to hold under your tongue will sting like a bitch and leave the sensitive sub lingual glands in your mouth feeling as if you've burnt them with hot food for a day or two afterwards (not to mention the terrible taste).
By the way, why can't you smoke salvia? Just curious.
Anyways, any questions? Let me know.
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redgreenvines
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Re: Using salvia extract sublingualy [Re: Cameron]
#7621400 - 11/11/07 09:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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sublingual for salvia is a misnomer the traditional absorption is buccal- at the cheeks, or from drinking a suspension.
Buccally it is activated by chewing and swishing. this salvinorin stuff is a stubborn waxy solid at room temperature, and is not soluble in aqueous media, and only partly soluble in alcohol (DMSO and Acetone are way better carriers). even so, a few people really are successful at propelling themselves out of their ordinary consciousness with sublingual applications, but this is either due to imagination or doses that are more than 50 times as rich in salvinorin than a smoked dose for the same person.
salvinorin when smoked is absorbed as liquid droplets and particles in the smoke at the alveoli of the lungs. The total alveoli surface area is over 500 times as large and efficient as the mouth and intestines put together, and even if you drink this stuff it takes longer to be absorbed along the gut than through the very efficient lung surfaces.
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