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Bringing the mind to blossom
    #7620280 - 11/10/07 08:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

From the book 'LSD, Spirituality and the Creative Process' (p.143):

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A Hindu religious monk, E.R meditated for four days before ingesting the LSD, sleeping only a little bit. A psychic picture unrolled before his mind, symbolically providing a clear procedure as to how the LSD experience can be embarked upon as a religious journey, from a religious point of view. The process presented itself in the form of a revelation, which worked exceedingly well as he put it into operation, and produced the following evaluation of his experience. It is interesting that he did not really describe his experience, but rather presented an intellectual model.

"The human body is like a flowering plant. The stalk of the plant is the spine. The brain, which resides at the top of the stalk is the bud of the flower which is capable of blooming. The folds of the brain tissue are not unlike the folds of a rose bud. The pineal glands are like the pistal and stamin of a flower. But the human plant could be more likened to the century plant which blossoms only once in its lifetime. The reasons why our brain does not blossom as it should is that we do not live natural lives. The human race has imposed all sorts of abnormal impositions on itself, both physical and mental. The proper growth and function of the brain is not allowed to take place. Prior to this revelation I had assumed that oriental religious terminology such as 'the thousand petaled Lotus residing in the center of the head' was merely poetic symbology for psychological effects. This new concept translates the idea into organic chemistry and gives us tangible substance with which to deal. The flights of mind, the spiritual and psychic rebirth of the mystic can be had permanently if the flower of the brain can be made blossom.
This flowering or activation of the glands of the brain is brought about by what might be called life force, for want of a better term. The Hindus use the term Prana. This life force is being produced and collected in the body at all times and we cannot exist without it. The key to this life-force are the sexual organs which lie at the base of the spine and might be likened to the roots of the stalk of the plant, where our spiritual nourishment has its origin. The purpose is to draw this life force up to the glands of the brain rather than let it be expended through emissions of the sexual organs. This is not an easy thing to do" "

I found this beautiful excerpt in a book regarding a study done on the effects of LSD. I've been interested in the practice of brahmacharya for some time now (fcking big mountain it is though) and am now curious as to how you guys react to such an idea.


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Re: Bringing the mind to blossom [Re: WScott]
    #7620377 - 11/10/07 09:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

a detatched method of concentrating yields good results.
nothing need be added
extra concepts are unneccessary


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Re: Bringing the mind to blossom [Re: WScott]
    #7620405 - 11/10/07 09:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hmm, interesting metaphor. I like it.


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Re: Bringing the mind to blossom [Re: WScott]
    #7620528 - 11/10/07 10:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

>>>>I found this beautiful excerpt in a book regarding a study done on the effects of LSD. I've been interested in the practice of brahmacharya for some time now (fcking big mountain it is though) and am now curious as to how you guys react to such an idea.

The crown chakra kicks ass, but is proving to be a lot of work to get to. I've gotten it partially open several times, and it is very much unlike the other chakras when open. The stalk is pretty nice too though. :grin:


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Re: Bringing the mind to blossom [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7620554 - 11/10/07 11:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
a detatched method of concentrating yields good results.
nothing need be added
extra concepts are unneccessary




right action?


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Re: Bringing the mind to blossom [Re: WScott]
    #7620638 - 11/10/07 11:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The beginning of wisdom is knowing that you know nothing.

Sometimes, there is no "correct" answer.


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Re: Bringing the mind to blossom [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7620707 - 11/11/07 12:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

What's appropriate for some will be inappropriate for others. Some like it simple, some like it complex. Both have their pitfalls. Treat everything as food for thought but follow your joy, wherever it may lead.


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Re: Bringing the mind to blossom [Re: WScott]
    #7621257 - 11/11/07 08:27 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I've heard this speculation often. :shrug:


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Re: Bringing the mind to blossom [Re: Icelander]
    #8980046 - 09/24/08 06:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I'd like more opinions, if possible. :syringe:


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Re: Bringing the mind to blossom [Re: WScott]
    #8980877 - 09/24/08 08:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

It's a nice metaphor, but in my opinion, any spiritual or religious visions one has while under the influence of any drug (though specifically psychedelics) is merely the product of conditioning.


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Re: Bringing the mind to blossom [Re: Boots]
    #8981081 - 09/24/08 09:27 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I can agree with you Boots, but not wholly. I have tripped and in retrospect seen the potential of an accelerated and/or uninhibited imagination under the effects of mushrooms, but other times I look back and I have to think that the nickname 'golden teachers' is right on the mark. Where the wisdom, insights or even feelings come from I do not understand but I am almost convinced that it is not my 'conventional self' (terms like higher self, lower self, etc. can be tossed about here but its another discussion).

I look at the sheer amount of pornography that is circulating these days, the amount of profit that is being made off of it and (from one perspective) the degenerate state of society and I do not think it is outlandish to connect the two, at least in part.


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Re: Bringing the mind to blossom [Re: WScott]
    #8982526 - 09/25/08 02:12 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I think his analogy holds valid mental and perhaps physiological meaning, but seeing the rest of the body as a "stalk", might not be a totally fair description. Also, drugs are not required for these states of mind. I'm not saying they're useless, but I don't think they provide something the body cannot provide for itself.

Here is a website that seems to be doing brain wave research on the same topic: LINK

"Practitioners of Sahaja Yoga often claim to feel the chakras (energy centres) within the head open up as the meditative experience intensifies. They assert that it is this experience which is the essence of true meditation and that very few other meditation techniques enable the subject to repeatedly access this experience. The fact that the theta activity is relatively unusual and that it was observed in coincidence with the meditators’ reported experience does suggest that there may be something unique and authentic about the Sahaja Yoga method and its claims."


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Re: Bringing the mind to blossom [Re: WScott]
    #8982890 - 09/25/08 05:35 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i do like the term prana.
i also like metaphors.
and I agree that flowering corresponds well with layered consciousness such as jhana from meditative absorption. (i.e. superimposition of mind moments by extended fading of signals.)

the other 'scientific' terms applied 'logically' are not metaphors they are misdirection.
so much of magic is actually misdirection but the same thing will happen without the stage show.


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Re: Bringing the mind to blossom [Re: WScott]
    #8983366 - 09/25/08 09:17 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)


While I don't think there's much real evidence that keeping the sperm in the bank will make you rich I do tend to believe this part.The reasons why our brain does not blossom as it should is that we do not live natural lives. The human race has imposed all sorts of abnormal impositions on itself, both physical and mental. The proper growth and function of the brain is not allowed to take place.

But I more believe this is potential of the brain. You need more than just a natural life. I doubt our primitive ancestors were all that enlightened.


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Re: Bringing the mind to blossom [Re: WScott]
    #8984622 - 09/25/08 02:23 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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I can agree with you Boots, but not wholly. I have tripped and in retrospect seen the potential of an accelerated and/or uninhibited imagination under the effects of mushrooms, but other times I look back and I have to think that the nickname 'golden teachers' is right on the mark. Where the wisdom, insights or even feelings come from I do not understand but I am almost convinced that it is not my 'conventional self' (terms like higher self, lower self, etc. can be tossed about here but its another discussion).

I look at the sheer amount of pornography that is circulating these days, the amount of profit that is being made off of it and (from one perspective) the degenerate state of society and I do not think it is outlandish to connect the two, at least in part.




I think the free circulation of pornography is a resurgence of natural sexual health. As people become less inhibited in producing pornography and more interested in sexual exploration; the sex trade becomes less a thing of profit. Pornography depicting straightforward male over female dominance is dwindling and sexual intuition is becoming more tolerated and commonplace.

In my opinion, it was the original placing of the dick in the jar, and subsequent social structuring in sexual role that lead to the majority of repressed hate and anger.

I suspect a human who is never deprived of healthy sexual relationships would never turn to rape or depravity. Of course, our social model is so impossibly far from this situation that you could never verify this suspicion.


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Re: Bringing the mind to blossom [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #8985606 - 09/25/08 05:44 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Now here's a place where we certainly agree. :thumbup:


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Re: Bringing the mind to blossom [Re: Rahz]
    #8986534 - 09/25/08 08:27 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Rahz said:The crown chakra kicks ass, but is proving to be a lot of work to get to. I've gotten it partially open several times, and it is very much unlike the other chakras when open.




i'm wondering how it felt for you.  did it feel something like a continuous unfolding or blooming of perception?


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Re: Bringing the mind to blossom [Re: deranger]
    #8986578 - 09/25/08 08:35 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Sometimes when I 'catch good waves' during meditation, it feels like the top of my head opens up, and there is liquid continuum flowing out of my head into the space around me. If I had to guess I would say the effect is at least similar to opening the crown chakra; although I am only marginally familiar with chakra concepts.


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Re: Bringing the mind to blossom [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #8987101 - 09/25/08 10:18 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Sometimes when I 'catch good waves' during meditation, it feels like the top of my head opens up, and there is liquid continuum flowing out of my head into the space around me.




it does feel like something is pouring out of my head, as though a reverse vortex forms and i unfold through it.  i'm really curious, it makes me wanna live in a dark cave for a few years to see how far this unfolding can go.


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Re: Bringing the mind to blossom [Re: deranger]
    #8987337 - 09/25/08 11:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

ever hear of the thousand petalled lotus?
any vision is visionary
valid in it's own right.

the emergence of some kind of illuminated liquid magic from the head or hands or feet is common
(not in the sense of crude common, but in the sense of - it repeats a lot and is consistent with the kundalini psychic sperm thing)

the thousand petalled lotus simmilarly involves an ineffable crown chakkra event of uncountable petals
(and many buddhas are depicted with this effect on their heads)

it is not always any one way.
both can be interpreted as chakkras openning or being "unblocked" or unstopped.

both are the result of absorption (jhana states} or layering of mind moments.



aka halo



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Re: Bringing the mind to blossom [Re: redgreenvines]
    #8987456 - 09/25/08 11:38 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)



the hands (or in the next video--eyes) blooming are perfect examples of how multidimensional perception can feel.

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Re: Bringing the mind to blossom [Re: deranger]
    #8987495 - 09/25/08 11:52 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

the whole video of parabola by tool is a perfect example of the awakening of mind





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Re: Bringing the mind to blossom [Re: redgreenvines]
    #8987942 - 09/26/08 01:38 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

My answer is similar. It feels like an egg cracked over my head continuously.:lol: Or perhaps pancake batter would work better.

I'm not sure how to talk about it's form.

My God... it's full of stars!


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Re: Bringing the mind to blossom [Re: Rahz]
    #9000780 - 09/29/08 12:25 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I just wanted to add my argument against the whole stalk analogy. While there is much truth in the idea of an upward raising consciousness, it might be worth considering that there isn't really anything to be left behind, except perhaps egoic fears and conditioning.

Just as kundalini is an upward movement of energy, the same type of movement can be experienced downward through the crown. In fact, it is this downward flow that activates the crown chakra in my experience. Perhaps it is the heart, which is at the center, which is the "top". This is where I work to "center" my consciousness.

The thymus and surrounding area, goes beyond mere "spinal cord/nervous system" status. Not that the others don't, but the heart seems to be the negotiator, or balancer between the upper realm and the lower realm.

And finally, we are not our brain. If there is any conscious awareness to be found, it could either be said that it's ALL in the mind, or that NONE of it is. The brain contains the over-mind, projecting it's reality through the body, or, the physical brain is simply a tool. Either one will work, and in either case, the crown is not THE flower.

So, it's worth thinking about I think. The way I get my crown open, is by centering my focus in the heart, and balancing the emotion I bring up, with the emotion I bring down. The crown just kinda opens on it's own. There are different systems, but I personally would recommend that the mediator be able to feel well grounded, and be able to bring energy up to the heart, in a relaxed fashion, before adding in the downward flow.

I'm not saying this is the only way, or that it's anything more than a framework for ultimately finding freedom, but it seems to be the paradigm that has evolved through my experience.

Curious what you guys/girls think.


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Re: Bringing the mind to blossom [Re: Rahz]
    #9000829 - 09/29/08 12:41 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

yeah.

Chia -

(18) MUDDY PILL is located in the center of the crown (Bai Hui or the hundredth meeting point). When
it is open it feel like soft mud. This crown point connects the Big Dipper to the Hypothalamus Gland. It is
through this center, which functions as a two-way street, that you can project your energy (soul or spirit)
upward or receive the energy flowing downward.


(21) IMMORTAL REALM is located in the center just in front of the crown point. It is here that our
energy is able to make a connection with the heavens to draw down even more powerful Universal
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