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I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more..
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: WScott]
#7620054 - 11/10/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Summarize, I don't feel like watching and I haven't payed attention to him for some time
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
#7620068 - 11/10/07 07:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i actually agree with alot of what he said in that video.
im not a good summarizer HPG, just watch it. its only a couple of minutes long.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: WScott]
#7620097 - 11/10/07 07:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't like the emphasis on religion during the first half of his speech. Any leader (including America's own), that so closely intertwines religious ideals with the administration of government worries me. While there are certainly positive aspects that may be grasped through religious teachings, there unfortunately is also a lot of blinding faith that is just too damn dangerous when attempting to govern a peaceful and fair nation. But indeed, in this particular speech, especially the later half, I believe President Ahmadinejad speaks a lot of truth. Of course -- he is a politician, and politicians are generally good public orators even if their actions may not support their words.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: WScott]
#7620098 - 11/10/07 07:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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He's lying just as badly as bush is lying. America is the only problem in the world? Maybe if you believe everything you're supposed to. You're not supposed to talk about the international corporations and bankers that actually own and run everything and are using EVERY country in the world as debt slaves.
He does speak some truth as any con artist will in order to hook you. He definitely tugs on people's heartstrings by invoking history and religion.
He's serving the purpose of dividing people and fanning flames for a religious military conflict.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: WScott]
#7620103 - 11/10/07 07:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ahmadinejad's a pretty sensible guy. It's unfortunate that he's constantly misrepresented in Western media, where no one questions whether the translation provided was accurate or not.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: Disco Cat]
#7620110 - 11/10/07 07:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why would you respect anyone who a) denies the holocaust and b) intends to wipe countries off the face of the planet? Fuck that shitbag.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7620114 - 11/10/07 07:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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He doesn't deny the holocaust and never said he wanted to wipe any country off the map.
to quote myself,
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It's unfortunate that he's constantly misrepresented in Western media, where no one questions whether the translation provided was accurate or not.
I'm amazed with how easily gullible such a large chunk of the population is.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: Disco Cat]
#7620119 - 11/10/07 07:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Disco Cat said: Ahmadinejad's a pretty sensible guy. It's unfortunate that he's constantly misrepresented in Western media, where no one questions whether the translation provided was accurate or not.
Well, since I don't speak Arabic I'll have to trust the translations. And anyone who denies that the holocaust happened is anything but sensible! Are the translations on this one wrong? (no sarcasm here, I'd really like to know)
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: Disco Cat]
#7620122 - 11/10/07 07:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Disco Cat said: He doesn't deny the holocaust and never said he wanted to wipe any country off the map.
Sources? Whose translation do I trust when I don't speak the language?
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: ToTheSummit]
#7620133 - 11/10/07 07:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ahmadinejad on the holocaust: "Granted this happened, but what does it have to do with the Palestinian people?"
The "Wipe Israel off the map" comment was a purposeful mistranslation which is used as propaganda. There is no idiom in Persian for "wipe off the map," so it would have been impossible for him to say. Ahmadinejad was actually quoting someone else, and what he said was "The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: ToTheSummit]
#7620138 - 11/10/07 07:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Disco Cat said: He doesn't deny the holocaust and never said he wanted to wipe any country off the map.
Sources? Whose translation do I trust when I don't speak the language?
You apply common sense. How does a person hear that someone in another language said these ridiculous comments and not doubt them? If you can't speak the language why would you believe a nonsense statement, shouldn't it be more natural to disbelieve it until it can be proven otherwise?
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: ToTheSummit]
#7620146 - 11/10/07 07:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here are his exact words. Apply them to Google and see what you come up with:
een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: Disco Cat]
#7620156 - 11/10/07 08:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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where is a credible source that says the western media is portraying him wrong?
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7620177 - 11/10/07 08:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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what is credible? credible to you and i may not be credible to the government, vice versa, and what may be credible to westerners may not be credible to the rest of the world.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7620185 - 11/10/07 08:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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VisionsToReality said: where is a credible source that says the western media is portraying him wrong?
For instance, when the American media targeted Ahmadinejad's comment on homosexuality not existing in Iran. I can't tell you what he actually meant by his statement, which was to the effect of 'In Iran, we don't have homosexuality like you have it in America', but he didn't deny the existence of homosexuals in Iran like CNN and FOX would want you to believe.
From the TV I did watch that covered his visit to the University of Columbia, I can say that I know that they covered far more of this 'homosexuality issue' than what he actually said in the rest of his speech. If you read the transcript (there is a thread with it in Political Discussion), he comes across as a very intelligent man. The concept of intelligence was not portrayed at all in the media.
To do with this religious aspect of his speech in the video (about the Prophets), I do agree that religion is a very useful tool in divide, conquer and control - but only when it is manipulated to fit the agenda of the one(s) seeking to take control. The majority (if not all) of the major scriptures teach, more or less, the same core values and principals. Ironically, it is these principals that are NOT being followed by those that are giving religion a bad name.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: ToTheSummit]
#7620193 - 11/10/07 08:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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He claims he was misinterpreted on denying the holocaust. He tried to make his position clearer in his speech at Columbia University:
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PRESIDENT AHMADINEJAD: Thank you very much for your question. I am an academic, and you are as well. Can you argue that researching a phenomenon is finished forever, done? Can we close the books for good on a historical event? There are different perspectives that come to light after every research is done. Why should we stop research at all? Why should we stop the progress of science and knowledge? You shouldn't ask me why I'm asking questions. You should ask yourselves why you think that it's questionable. Why do you want to stop the progress of science and research? Do you ever take what's known as absolute in physics? We had principles in mathematics that were granted to be absolute in mathematics for over 800 years, but new science has gotten rid of those absolutism, gotten -- forward other different logics of looking at mathematics, and sort of turned the way we look at it as a science altogether after 800 years. So we must allow researchers, scholars to investigate into everything, every phenomenon -- God, universe, human beings, history, and civilization. Why should we stop that? I'm not saying that it didn't happen at all. This is not (the ?) judgment that I'm passing here. I said in my second question, granted this happened, what does it have to do with the Palestinian people? This is a serious question.
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-- well, given this historical event, if it is a reality, we need to still question whether the Palestinian people should be paying for it or not. After all, it happened in Europe. The Palestinian people had no role to play in it. So why is it that the Palestinian people are paying the price of an event they had nothing to do with? The Palestinian people didn't commit any crime. They had no role to play in World War II. They were living with the Jewish communities and the Christian communities in peace at the time. They didn't have any problems. And today, too, Jews, Christians and Muslims live in brotherhood all over the world, in many parts of the world. They don't have any serious problems. But why is it that the Palestinians should pay a price, innocent Palestinians? For 5 million people to remain displaced or refugees of war for 60 years are -- is this not a crime? Is asking about these crimes a crime by itself? Why should an academic, myself, face insults when asking questions like this? Is this what you call freedom and upholding the freedom of thought?
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/202820.php
Read the whole transcript.
He's not a radical by any stretch of the imagination. His main crime is he says one thing to his own people and one thing to the West. But he's having to play to two total extreme points of view, trying to remain the President of Iran, while also trying to seem reasonable to the West. -- What he really thinks is hard to know, but pretty much irrelevant. He's just the president, he doesn't have the power to declare war, power to control the police, the media, basic services or anything. He's just middle management. The leader of Iran is the 'Supreme Leader' (Ali Khamenei). THIS is the guy you should be interested in.
Remember Iran is the 18th largest country in the world, it has a population of 70 million people. It has one of the oldest cultures in the world, they hold one of the largest oil reserves in the world, it has one of the largest armies in the world. Given their position in the world and the constant threat of US invasion, you have to wonder if they actually deserve to be nuclear capable. They're not perfect, sure. They are a tightly controlled country, they have serious human rights problems but on those scales they're fairly comparable to China.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: WScott]
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He is leader of an Islamic theocracy. Iran is a horribly repressed country. How can you guys take anything he says seriously? I believe I heard on the history channel that Ahmadinejad is a member of a Muslim sect that believes in a prophecy that the world is coming to an end and that its their job to instigate a world war. Has anyone else heard that or do I have a terrible memory?
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: WScott]
#7620213 - 11/10/07 08:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ahmadinejad misquoted over gays in Iran: aide
LONDON, October 11 (IranMania) - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was misrepresented by Western media when he was quoted saying there were no gays in Iran, and actually meant there were not so many as in the United States, a presidential aide said, Reuters reported.
Addressing New York's Columbia University last month, Ahmadinejad replied to a question about gays in the Islamic Republic saying: "In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country."
Speaking through a translator, he also said: "In Iran we don't have this phenomenon."
The remarks drew widespread criticism in the West.
"What Ahmadinejad said was not a political answer. He said that, compared to American society, we don't have many homosexuals," presidential media adviser Mohammad Kalhor said.
Kalhor told Reuters that because of historical, religious and cultural differences homosexuality was less common in Iran and the Islamic world than in the West.
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You wouldn't believe the argument I got into in the Politics forum over this one. To me it was obvious that he was making a comparison and not actually saying there were no gays, but to everyone else there he was obviously a wacko who wants to wipe Israel off the map, and believes there are no gays in Iran, and needs to be brought to justice. Diploid even neg rated me for arguing in his defence over the gay issue. Amazing, eh? This is why situations like Iraq happen. People refuse to think, and shut off their brain in favour of having a target to hate.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: robbyberto]
#7620216 - 11/10/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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we are all different. we are not all going to agree on ways of life. their ways of life have worked for thousands of years. it is in our best interest to leave them be.
and i dont know about you, but i think our government may beat anyone to starting another world war.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: robbyberto]
#7620219 - 11/10/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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a prophecy that the world is coming to an end and that its their job to instigate a world war.
perfect, because most of those that actually voted for bush believe the same thing.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: Clean]
#7620226 - 11/10/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think its pretty hard to disagree with what I said in my first post. Are you trying to say Ahmadinejad is a good guy or something? You didn't add anything to the discussion with that post. They don't have as many open homosexuals. You know because they hang them and all.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: robbyberto]
#7620236 - 11/10/07 08:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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***edit... i'm assuming you didn't mean to reply to me.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: robbyberto]
#7620238 - 11/10/07 08:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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they hang homosexuals, our government vetoes stem cell research because it is "immoral".
were not that far from a theocracy ourselves.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: robbyberto]
#7620239 - 11/10/07 08:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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None have been executed or sentenced since Ahmadinejad became President. The cases that have been reported in Western media are generally fabrications or extreme distortions. Up until 2005 the USA was the world leader in child executions, executing more than all other countries combined. That's just as bad as killing people for being gay.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: Disco Cat]
#7620245 - 11/10/07 08:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Any sources? Isn't it possible that information on any executions may have been held so as not to tarnish his image?
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: Clean]
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Yeah, I misread your post a bit and edited some stuff out.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: WScott]
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VisionsToReality said: where is a credible source that says the western media is portraying him wrong?
For instance, when the American media targeted Ahmadinejad's comment on homosexuality not existing in Iran. I can't tell you what he actually meant by his statement, which was to the effect of 'In Iran, we don't have homosexuality like you have it in America', but he didn't deny the existence of homosexuals in Iran like CNN and FOX would want you to believe.
From the TV I did watch that covered his visit to the University of Columbia, I can say that I know that they covered far more of this 'homosexuality issue' than what he actually said in the rest of his speech. If you read the transcript (there is a thread with it in Political Discussion), he comes across as a very intelligent man. The concept of intelligence was not portrayed at all in the media.
To do with this religious aspect of his speech in the video (about the Prophets), I do agree that religion is a very useful tool in divide, conquer and control - but only when it is manipulated to fit the agenda of the one(s) seeking to take control. The majority (if not all) of the major scriptures teach, more or less, the same core values and principals. Ironically, it is these principals that are NOT being followed by those that are giving religion a bad name.
Ay yay yay. If what you said were true there'd be credible sources to make a fuss about the issue. So where are they?
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: robbyberto]
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like torture at the hands of america is withheld from the public?
its definately possibly robby. anything is possible.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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Well which is worse indirect or direct murder? Stem cell research will be legalized eventually. I mean we do live a pretty progressive country at least. Islamic theocracies will stay the way they are for the foreseeable future but we have the capacity for change.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: VisionsToReality]
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VisionsToReality said: Ay yay yay. If what you said were true there'd be credible sources to make a fuss about the issue. So where are they?
again, what is credible? government supported? many americans do not consider most news outlets as "credible".
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: VisionsToReality]
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I just posted a news article proving what he said. It should still be obvious without the article tho.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: VisionsToReality]
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VisionsToReality said: where is a credible source that says the western media is portraying him wrong?
For instance, when the American media targeted Ahmadinejad's comment on homosexuality not existing in Iran. I can't tell you what he actually meant by his statement, which was to the effect of 'In Iran, we don't have homosexuality like you have it in America', but he didn't deny the existence of homosexuals in Iran like CNN and FOX would want you to believe.
From the TV I did watch that covered his visit to the University of Columbia, I can say that I know that they covered far more of this 'homosexuality issue' than what he actually said in the rest of his speech. If you read the transcript (there is a thread with it in Political Discussion), he comes across as a very intelligent man. The concept of intelligence was not portrayed at all in the media.
To do with this religious aspect of his speech in the video (about the Prophets), I do agree that religion is a very useful tool in divide, conquer and control - but only when it is manipulated to fit the agenda of the one(s) seeking to take control. The majority (if not all) of the major scriptures teach, more or less, the same core values and principals. Ironically, it is these principals that are NOT being followed by those that are giving religion a bad name.
Ay yay yay. If what you said were true there'd be credible sources to make a fuss about the issue. So where are they?
If you do a google search for 'iran president homosexuality', an msnbc page should be there talking about how his statement was taken out of context. Now, you will have to click the 'Cached' link because for some reason the real link is no longer available.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: robbyberto]
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robbyberto said: Well which is worse indirect or direct murder? Stem cell research will be legalized eventually. I mean we do live a pretty progressive country at least. Islamic theocracies will stay the way they are for the foreseeable future but we have the capacity for change.
progressive enough that this government is pretty much given a blank check to do whatever it is they want around the world and gets away with it?
if their people didnt like their government i have a feeling they would do something about it. it is their right to have whatever government they want. its none of our business to go into another country and try to change them. we wouldnt like it too much if china tried to "liberate" our people to a communist government would we?
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: WScott]
#7620269 - 11/10/07 08:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i was talking more about the holocaust & the wiping countries off the face of the earth quotes
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: WScott]
#7620275 - 11/10/07 08:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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WScottsdale said: If you do a google search for 'iran president homosexuality', an msnbc page should be there talking about how his statement was taken out of context. Now, you will have to click the 'Cached' link because for some reason the real link is no longer available.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7620281 - 11/10/07 08:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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VisionsToReality said: i was talking more about the holocaust & the wiping countries off the face of the earth quotes
even if he did say that they want to wipe israel from the map. i honestly cant blame them. ALL arabs want them out of their land. israel did not, and would not exist if it werent for the US and Britain. we helped the zionists steal the land after ww2 and pretty much offered them unconditional support and protection. it is an illegitimate country placed in the middle of arab territory. i could not think of anything more offensive to an arab.
without our support israel wouldnt have ever been created. and if it had, it would have been destroyed by now. and we would be a couple billion dollars richer every year.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7620285 - 11/10/07 08:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I do not agree with our countries imperialistic ideals at all. I do not believe you can force democracy on another country. Its against the fundamental believes of democracy itself. The government has reign to do whatever it wants because people are apathetic to politics. They feel that the government has already failed them and they do not participate in elections. We haven't had any issues that have galvanized the voters holistically to go out and do something. The elitists have taken over the media and kept the public blind. By progressive I mean that we, generally, have policies in place that are up to speed with the times. Womens suffrage, the civil rights acts, etc and that we will eventually come to our senses. I'd also like to add that I do not believe that we need to have the death pact that we currently have with Israel. If they can hold the land its fine by me. Iran is a serious threat not only to United States but to the rest of the world. I'm not a republican, I didn't vote for Bush, and I don't watch mainstream media and I still feel this way. Iran definitely has nuclear ambitions and they need to be watched. Ahmadinejad may be a serious problem regardless of what he is saying in these speeches.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: robbyberto]
#7620286 - 11/10/07 08:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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either we will come to our senses, or the government will figure out a way to take them from us.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7620294 - 11/10/07 08:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Disco Cat said: Here are his exact words. Apply them to Google and see what you come up with:
een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: robbyberto]
#7620308 - 11/10/07 09:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Iran is not building a nuke. They don't have the ability according to Washington and Israel's latest statements. The best of evidence also shows that they are not pursuing building a nuke. Claims that they are are akin to claims that Saddam has links to Al Queda. It's just fabricated nonsense.
I posted a bunch on this in the Politics forum recently too, maybe I can scrounge up some links.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7620311 - 11/10/07 09:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Too late. The government and media are in cahoots to keep us from knowing whats really going on.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: Disco Cat]
#7620319 - 11/10/07 09:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The idea is based on a fact that they have massive uranium refinery built underground that is extremely hard to destroy. Whats the point of building it underground? Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about but what is the need for building it underground? I saw a great documentary on the History Channel about Iran and Ahmadinejad's ambitions. I wish I knew the name of it.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: robbyberto]
#7620329 - 11/10/07 09:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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who are we to tell other countries that they are not allowed to pursue nuclear technology?
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7620339 - 11/10/07 09:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Come on, would you really feel comfortable if Ahmadinejad had nuclear weapons capabilities? He has talked about his great disdain for America. It shouldn't be any of our business but really when we're dealing with a technology that could end human civilization I'm willing to let our country assert a little authority.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: robbyberto]
#7620341 - 11/10/07 09:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is my planet too and I'm not about to let some fuckwad Iranian blow it up with nukes. But I also want to avoid war at all costs
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: robbyberto]
#7620348 - 11/10/07 09:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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robbyberto said: Come on, would you really feel comfortable if Ahmadinejad had nuclear weapons capabilities? He has talked about his great disdain for America. It shouldn't be any of our business but really when we're dealing with a technology that could end human civilization I'm willing to let our country assert a little authority.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: WScott]
#7620387 - 11/10/07 09:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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No one should feel comfortable with any country having nuclear weapons, especially not when it is the only country to use them throughout history enforcing the supposed non-proliferation.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: robbyberto]
#7620409 - 11/10/07 09:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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robbyberto said: Come on, would you really feel comfortable if Ahmadinejad had nuclear weapons capabilities? He has talked about his great disdain for America. It shouldn't be any of our business but really when we're dealing with a technology that could end human civilization I'm willing to let our country assert a little authority.
no more comfortable than i do about our government, or any government for that matter having nukes.
do you think china or russia is any less likely to use them? they both arent very fond of our country. india? pakistan? israel?
i dont fucking blame iran for wanting nukes if they do. if israel is allowed then why cant they? IMO either we need to ban them all or allow them. noone has a right to tell another they cannot have something that they themselves have.
if anyone with nukes is to be feared, it is either us, russia or china. luckily for iran, russia nor china have a problem with them going nuclear.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7620411 - 11/10/07 09:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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VisionsToReality said: This is my planet too and I'm not about to let some fuckwad Iranian blow it up with nukes. But I also want to avoid war at all costs
im sure they feel the same way about us and isreal.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7620416 - 11/10/07 09:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Amen. Let the Iranians have nukes, maybe then the US will stop bugging them.
The more nukes the better. Mutually Assured Destruction might just be the only thing that actually keeps the peace here in earth.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: undergrounder]
#7620425 - 11/10/07 09:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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possibly. you can be assured that if we were the only country with nukes, we would rule the world. well, our government would.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7620427 - 11/10/07 09:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The closer we are to not having nuclear weapons at all the better.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: robbyberto]
#7620432 - 11/10/07 09:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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robbyberto said: The closer we are to not having nuclear weapons at all the better.
agreed. and in the meantime, you cannot blame any non-nuclear country for wanting to have the capability.
the first fucking thing we need to do is take every fucking nuke from isreal. thats just asking for trouble.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7620471 - 11/10/07 10:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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This whole thread should be closed due to the fact that Ahmadinejad is not the leader of Iran. He is a figurehead. Ayatollah Ali Kamenei is the supreme leader of Iran. The reason Admadinejad exists as president is to speak to the western world as the Ayatollah refuses to do so.
Anything and everything is decided by the Ayatollah. He's the real "decider".
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
#7620524 - 11/10/07 10:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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You have to wonder how the English convinced the people that the Native Americans were evil.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
#7620588 - 11/10/07 11:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Penguarky Tunguin said: This whole thread should be closed due to the fact that Ahmadinejad is not the leader of Iran. He is a figurehead. Ayatollah Ali Kamenei is the supreme leader of Iran. The reason Admadinejad exists as president is to speak to the western world as the Ayatollah refuses to do so.
Anything and everything is decided by the Ayatollah. He's the real "decider".
so because he isnt the true supreme leader of iran, we should stop talking about it?? i wasnt aware the title of the thread was "I'm starting to respect Iranian supreme leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more..".
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: undergrounder]
#7620625 - 11/10/07 11:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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undergrounder said: Amen. Let the Iranians have nukes, maybe then the US will stop bugging them.
The more nukes the better. Mutually Assured Destruction might just be the only thing that actually keeps the peace here in earth.
MAD doesn't work when one side isn't concerned about whether they live or die, as long as they wipe out Americans.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: Kamin]
#7620633 - 11/10/07 11:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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they wouldnt waste their time on us kamin. because they know once they fire that first nuke, there will be dozens, if not more already en route to iran. if anything, they would try to nuke israel first. now they might be crazy enough to do that. they might be crazy, but they are not stupid.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: ToTheSummit]
#7620671 - 11/10/07 11:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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ToTheSummit said: Well, since I don't speak Arabic I'll have to trust the translations.
If you spoke Arabic, you still wouldn't know what that Farsi-speaking motherfucker was saying.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: Silversoul]
#7620678 - 11/10/07 11:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Silversoul said:
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ToTheSummit said: Well, since I don't speak Arabic I'll have to trust the translations.
If you spoke Arabic, you still wouldn't know what that Farsi-speaking motherfucker was saying.
Shit. Guess I'd better cancel my order for those Arabic language lessons.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: ToTheSummit]
#7620757 - 11/11/07 12:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow, that's a real eye opener. I've never even bothered to read past the headlines that painted him as a psychopath. I know that as the war drums begin to beat the US government will exploit any and every statement/act/suspicion/guess that will work to their advantage (true or otherwise), as was done with Iraq, but it still hadn't hit home that such a majority of the American media would accept and promote this kind of BS without questioning it (even Jon Stewart! my hero).
If I was paying for the cable in my house right now, I would cancel it. There's no reason to watch news (unless you enjoy being deceived and manipulated), and all of my favorite TV shows are on the net anyways.
So... thanks, for something to think about.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7620776 - 11/11/07 12:27 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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leftysurprise said:
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Penguarky Tunguin said: This whole thread should be closed due to the fact that Ahmadinejad is not the leader of Iran. He is a figurehead. Ayatollah Ali Kamenei is the supreme leader of Iran. The reason Admadinejad exists as president is to speak to the western world as the Ayatollah refuses to do so.
Anything and everything is decided by the Ayatollah. He's the real "decider".
so because he isnt the true supreme leader of iran, we should stop talking about it?? i wasnt aware the title of the thread was "I'm starting to respect Iranian supreme leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more..".
Well, everything he says should be taken with that grain of salt. Whatever he says doesn't mean shit.
It's the American media(Bush) that has made him a target because he is the face of the Iranian government. He does all the talking. That's what we should be talking about, not what Ahmadinejad said or didn't say.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: WScott]
#7620790 - 11/11/07 12:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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anti-american propaganda...I'm tired of it HIPPEIS< FUCKING BATHE ALREADY
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: aDoS]
#7620793 - 11/11/07 12:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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aDoS said: I'm tired of it HIPPEIS
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: Silversoul]
#7620799 - 11/11/07 12:34 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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you shut up soulman
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: Silversoul]
#7620802 - 11/11/07 12:34 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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ILL FIGHT YA
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: aDoS]
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#7620809 - 11/11/07 12:35 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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PS
He's just a stupid fucking religious leader, fuck him.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#7620812 - 11/11/07 12:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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hes muslim, lets not obey him
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
#7620813 - 11/11/07 12:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Penguarky Tunguin said: This whole thread should be closed due to the fact that Ahmadinejad is not the leader of Iran. He is a figurehead. Ayatollah Ali Kamenei is the supreme leader of Iran. The reason Admadinejad exists as president is to speak to the western world as the Ayatollah refuses to do so.
Anything and everything is decided by the Ayatollah. He's the real "decider".
so because he isnt the true supreme leader of iran, we should stop talking about it?? i wasnt aware the title of the thread was "I'm starting to respect Iranian supreme leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more..".
Well, everything he says should be taken with that grain of salt. Whatever he says doesn't mean shit.
It's the American media(Bush) that has made him a target because he is the face of the Iranian government. He does all the talking. That's what we should be talking about, not what Ahmadinejad said or didn't say.
he still has to take orders from the ayatollah right? i mean he cant act on his own can he?
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: aDoS]
#7620814 - 11/11/07 12:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#7620815 - 11/11/07 12:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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HELLA_TIGHT said: I hate muslims and christians equally.
FUCKING ME TOO
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: Silversoul]
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aDoS said: I'm tired of it HIPPEIS
I'm tired of people who display their intelligence level through poor spelling.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#7620819 - 11/11/07 12:39 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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all religion is garbage.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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aDoS said: I'm tired of it HIPPEIS
I'm tired of people who display their intelligence level through poor spelling.
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shut your mouth
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: aDoS]
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eat some patchouli.... hippy hater!
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7620825 - 11/11/07 12:41 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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GUNS WILL BEAT FLOWERS ANYDAY
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: aDoS]
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what if those flowers have guns??
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7620836 - 11/11/07 12:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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THEN IT WOULD BE A FIGHT
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: aDoS]
#7620839 - 11/11/07 12:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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to the death
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: aDoS]
#7620887 - 11/11/07 01:00 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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just hope that hippy doesnt have a better gun
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7621028 - 11/11/07 03:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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if their people didnt like their government i have a feeling they would do something about it. it is their right to have whatever government they want. its none of our business to go into another country and try to change them. we wouldnt like it too much if china tried to "liberate" our people to a communist government would we?
I agree.
The nation of Israel as it is today really shouldn't exist. What is Israel's justification for taking Israel? It was given to them by God? But by the same token they were kicked out of Israel by God many hundreds of years ago. Israel is allowed their divine allowance of Israel, but then they want to attack "extreme" islam for believing in their divine right to conquer the world and dominate their own countries in the name of Islam.
I honestly hope this country gets bombed to submission if nothing is done to counter this madness. America is the real terrorist. America has been the real terrorist right from the beginning. And every American who supports the American government is to blame.
American politicians love to get on the stage and talk against "fascist" dictators in other countries, while they persecute other countries living at peace, while they harass people with a different heritage and way of life, who choose to govern their country the way they think is best, like Americans. Americans have been indoctrinated with this idea that American type democracy is not only the ideal form of government, but all other countries MUST assimilate themselves to American values or else they are "fascist" (and how I hate how this word is abused) evil dictators. Why don't you let people alone America? Ever consider that if you just leave people alone and try and make friendly relations you'll be much better off?
Israel has nukes, usa has nukes, and usa pushes for disarment of nukes while owning nukes?? But of course it's just fine for them to have nukes you see, because of course it's a given(in the mind of brainwashed americans) that America is the most innocent perfect nation in history and they are fully trustworthy and have complete right to go policing the world. If iraq is fascist, how much more is America? And what hypocricy.
The whole world has the wool pulled over their eyes, it's not just America. The whole world is manipulated by a small elite and corporate (and incorporeal) powers.
It's not suprising that they would misinterpret the iranian presidents words, and then when he tries to correct the error, it hardly even shows up in the news.
Americans need to wake up, and realize that American values and democracy are not the end all in any political crisis or debate. It is a form of government that has only been around for less than 300 years. And I honestly hope it's not here for another 300 years, because the world doesn't need any more. America is a terrorist organization, and it is the most destructive nation in the history of mankind.
Attacking Iran would be a seriously grave mistake, and when it happens, I feel much more danger coming for America than I do for Iran.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7621071 - 11/11/07 04:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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eat some patchouli.... hippy hater! 
I actually ate some patchouli one time. It got sprayed on my pancakes accidentally I think. I put homemade berry syrup on it and the patchouli and the berry tasted good, and the patchouli tastes a lot like it smells but it's actually really tasty. eat it with berry stuff it's good. Oh, and you could put it in beer.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7621170 - 11/11/07 07:12 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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jonathan_206 said: America has been the real terrorist right from the beginning.
any idea where the 'beginning' starts?
if america is concerned with nukes, why havent we stopped N.Korea, Pakistan or India from acquiring the technology to fuel and defend their countries
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#7621274 - 11/11/07 08:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think that it is pretty clear that the United States is after the oil reserves. They've been dabbling in Iranian oil affairs since at least 1953 when they (the CIA) overthrew a democratically elected Iranian president and installed one to their liking, a shah or whatever.
The reason that they did this was because at that time Iran wanted to nationalize/take control of its own oil. America wasn't having that.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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any idea where the 'beginning' starts?
When they came over on ships and massacred your people?
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7621495 - 11/11/07 10:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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leftysurprise said: who are we to tell other countries that they are not allowed to pursue nuclear technology?
You seem to have a basic misunderstanding of the world. There is no rights in the world, people do not have the right to do anything. The reason we can tell other countries that they cannot have nukes is because we are more powerful and can thus ensure we get our way. This isn't 'fair', however fair is a meaningless statement that implies that there is somehow a correct objective morality in the world. We define what is fair, and the US acts in its own best interest.
Just like Israel acts in its own best interest, just like every country does. The US happens to be immensely powerful and thus we can force our will onto other countries, is this wrong? Wrong based off what moral guideline? Not my moral guideline. Israel took the region they are in with force, Im sorry but isnt that how almost all countries were started and formed? Where is the difference? Why should I or anyone give a shit that they took it even though somehow the Arabs had apparently a stake to the land. Fuck the Arabs if they couldn't keep track of their land, might rules, and power dominates. I care little for these rights people talk of and ownership of land. Oh it isn't fair that Israel took the land? Welcome to the real world motherfucker.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7621521 - 11/11/07 10:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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HELLA_TIGHT said: I hate muslims and christians equally.
all religion is garbage.
When people don't understand I have no religion, I am tempted to say that. Goths give atheists and agnostics a bad name.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: TheCow]
#7621606 - 11/11/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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You seem to have a basic misunderstanding of the world. There is no rights in the world, people do not have the right to do anything. The reason we can tell other countries that they cannot have nukes is because we are more powerful and can thus ensure we get our way. This isn't 'fair', however fair is a meaningless statement that implies that there is somehow a correct objective morality in the world. We define what is fair, and the US acts in its own best interest.
No, un sanctions and u.s. involvement overseas, and all wars in history have been formed on the supposition of justice, some being right, some being unjust. Someone with your attitude definitely should not be leading humanity or an country. There are obvious instrinsic moral guidelines to be followed, and nations cannot be run without them, justice cannot be carried out without them. I think almost every law is a moral issue.
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Just like Israel acts in its own best interest, just like every country does. The US happens to be immensely powerful and thus we can force our will onto other countries, is this wrong? Wrong based off what moral guideline? Not my moral guideline. Israel took the region they are in with force, Im sorry but isnt that how almost all countries were started and formed? Where is the difference? Why should I or anyone give a lalala that they took it even though somehow the Arabs had apparently a stake to the land. *** the Arabs if they couldn't keep track of their land, might rules, and power dominates. I care little for these rights people talk of and ownership of land. Oh it isn't fair that Israel took the land? Welcome to the real world ***.
There is a way that countries can act in their own best interest without being hypocrites and trampling upon the very liberties that they themselves would wish to have. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. No, that is not how all countries started by any means. Not every country was started by an invasion or military coup. That is absurd. You should care because it's an injustice, and it's necessary for society itself to even exist. It's necessary for government to stand. Your nihilistic pantera worldview does nothing to help the problem, and it is in fact not thinking in terms of the real world.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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I respect him, because he never wears a suit.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
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And what problem are you talking about in that last paragraph? Im fine with working with other countries, however everything should serve to help us in some way. I see no reason to pursue a policy that would harm the country, that just does not make sense to me. My only point was that people constantly talk about fairness, how it is not fair that the US does this or that. However I find this to be an irrelevant argument as the US does not have to be fair, humanity has chosen to separate itself as much as possible, countries are part of that, and so we work to make our own group more powerful. I am sorry that we arent going to let North Korea have nuclear bombs, is it their right? Well if they had the power it would be, but they do not so they do not have this right. Same with Iran, they might want nuclear bombs but they lack the power to do this so they try and appeal to a sense of fairness in the international community. However I don't recall the world ever being fair.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: TheCow]
#7621703 - 11/11/07 11:35 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I say we let those crazy, nuts ruin their country and we worry about the religious nuts in our country. Let them ruin their own country; we don't need to help.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: Redstorm]
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The thing is though, it looks like America is headed to Iran next.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: WScott]
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My brother in law seems to think differently. He is an apache pilot and served a tour in Iraq previously. I don't remember his reasoning but it was sound at the time. I'll see if I can't talk to him on Thanks Giving.
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