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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: aDoS]
#7620839 - 11/11/07 12:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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to the death
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LeftyBurnz
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: aDoS]
#7620887 - 11/11/07 01:00 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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just hope that hippy doesnt have a better gun
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7621028 - 11/11/07 03:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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if their people didnt like their government i have a feeling they would do something about it. it is their right to have whatever government they want. its none of our business to go into another country and try to change them. we wouldnt like it too much if china tried to "liberate" our people to a communist government would we?
I agree.
The nation of Israel as it is today really shouldn't exist. What is Israel's justification for taking Israel? It was given to them by God? But by the same token they were kicked out of Israel by God many hundreds of years ago. Israel is allowed their divine allowance of Israel, but then they want to attack "extreme" islam for believing in their divine right to conquer the world and dominate their own countries in the name of Islam.
I honestly hope this country gets bombed to submission if nothing is done to counter this madness. America is the real terrorist. America has been the real terrorist right from the beginning. And every American who supports the American government is to blame.
American politicians love to get on the stage and talk against "fascist" dictators in other countries, while they persecute other countries living at peace, while they harass people with a different heritage and way of life, who choose to govern their country the way they think is best, like Americans. Americans have been indoctrinated with this idea that American type democracy is not only the ideal form of government, but all other countries MUST assimilate themselves to American values or else they are "fascist" (and how I hate how this word is abused) evil dictators. Why don't you let people alone America? Ever consider that if you just leave people alone and try and make friendly relations you'll be much better off?
Israel has nukes, usa has nukes, and usa pushes for disarment of nukes while owning nukes?? But of course it's just fine for them to have nukes you see, because of course it's a given(in the mind of brainwashed americans) that America is the most innocent perfect nation in history and they are fully trustworthy and have complete right to go policing the world. If iraq is fascist, how much more is America? And what hypocricy.
The whole world has the wool pulled over their eyes, it's not just America. The whole world is manipulated by a small elite and corporate (and incorporeal) powers.
It's not suprising that they would misinterpret the iranian presidents words, and then when he tries to correct the error, it hardly even shows up in the news.
Americans need to wake up, and realize that American values and democracy are not the end all in any political crisis or debate. It is a form of government that has only been around for less than 300 years. And I honestly hope it's not here for another 300 years, because the world doesn't need any more. America is a terrorist organization, and it is the most destructive nation in the history of mankind.
Attacking Iran would be a seriously grave mistake, and when it happens, I feel much more danger coming for America than I do for Iran.
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a_guy_named_ai
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7621071 - 11/11/07 04:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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eat some patchouli.... hippy hater! 
I actually ate some patchouli one time. It got sprayed on my pancakes accidentally I think. I put homemade berry syrup on it and the patchouli and the berry tasted good, and the patchouli tastes a lot like it smells but it's actually really tasty. eat it with berry stuff it's good. Oh, and you could put it in beer.
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Prisoner#1
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7621170 - 11/11/07 07:12 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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jonathan_206 said: America has been the real terrorist right from the beginning.
any idea where the 'beginning' starts?
if america is concerned with nukes, why havent we stopped N.Korea, Pakistan or India from acquiring the technology to fuel and defend their countries
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#7621274 - 11/11/07 08:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think that it is pretty clear that the United States is after the oil reserves. They've been dabbling in Iranian oil affairs since at least 1953 when they (the CIA) overthrew a democratically elected Iranian president and installed one to their liking, a shah or whatever.
The reason that they did this was because at that time Iran wanted to nationalize/take control of its own oil. America wasn't having that.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#7621381 - 11/11/07 09:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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jonathan_206 said: America has been the real terrorist right from the beginning.
any idea where the 'beginning' starts?
When they came over on ships and massacred your people?
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7621495 - 11/11/07 10:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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leftysurprise said: who are we to tell other countries that they are not allowed to pursue nuclear technology?
You seem to have a basic misunderstanding of the world. There is no rights in the world, people do not have the right to do anything. The reason we can tell other countries that they cannot have nukes is because we are more powerful and can thus ensure we get our way. This isn't 'fair', however fair is a meaningless statement that implies that there is somehow a correct objective morality in the world. We define what is fair, and the US acts in its own best interest.
Just like Israel acts in its own best interest, just like every country does. The US happens to be immensely powerful and thus we can force our will onto other countries, is this wrong? Wrong based off what moral guideline? Not my moral guideline. Israel took the region they are in with force, Im sorry but isnt that how almost all countries were started and formed? Where is the difference? Why should I or anyone give a shit that they took it even though somehow the Arabs had apparently a stake to the land. Fuck the Arabs if they couldn't keep track of their land, might rules, and power dominates. I care little for these rights people talk of and ownership of land. Oh it isn't fair that Israel took the land? Welcome to the real world motherfucker.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7621521 - 11/11/07 10:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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HELLA_TIGHT said: I hate muslims and christians equally.
all religion is garbage.
When people don't understand I have no religion, I am tempted to say that. Goths give atheists and agnostics a bad name.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: TheCow]
#7621606 - 11/11/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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You seem to have a basic misunderstanding of the world. There is no rights in the world, people do not have the right to do anything. The reason we can tell other countries that they cannot have nukes is because we are more powerful and can thus ensure we get our way. This isn't 'fair', however fair is a meaningless statement that implies that there is somehow a correct objective morality in the world. We define what is fair, and the US acts in its own best interest.
No, un sanctions and u.s. involvement overseas, and all wars in history have been formed on the supposition of justice, some being right, some being unjust. Someone with your attitude definitely should not be leading humanity or an country. There are obvious instrinsic moral guidelines to be followed, and nations cannot be run without them, justice cannot be carried out without them. I think almost every law is a moral issue.
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Just like Israel acts in its own best interest, just like every country does. The US happens to be immensely powerful and thus we can force our will onto other countries, is this wrong? Wrong based off what moral guideline? Not my moral guideline. Israel took the region they are in with force, Im sorry but isnt that how almost all countries were started and formed? Where is the difference? Why should I or anyone give a lalala that they took it even though somehow the Arabs had apparently a stake to the land. *** the Arabs if they couldn't keep track of their land, might rules, and power dominates. I care little for these rights people talk of and ownership of land. Oh it isn't fair that Israel took the land? Welcome to the real world ***.
There is a way that countries can act in their own best interest without being hypocrites and trampling upon the very liberties that they themselves would wish to have. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. No, that is not how all countries started by any means. Not every country was started by an invasion or military coup. That is absurd. You should care because it's an injustice, and it's necessary for society itself to even exist. It's necessary for government to stand. Your nihilistic pantera worldview does nothing to help the problem, and it is in fact not thinking in terms of the real world.
Even if Iran is not the perfect country, recogniz:e this acheivement:
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During the Shah's reign, Iran celebrated 2,500 years of continuous monarchy since the founding of the Persian Empire by Cyrus the Great.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7621667 - 11/11/07 11:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I respect him, because he never wears a suit.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7621668 - 11/11/07 11:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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And what problem are you talking about in that last paragraph? Im fine with working with other countries, however everything should serve to help us in some way. I see no reason to pursue a policy that would harm the country, that just does not make sense to me. My only point was that people constantly talk about fairness, how it is not fair that the US does this or that. However I find this to be an irrelevant argument as the US does not have to be fair, humanity has chosen to separate itself as much as possible, countries are part of that, and so we work to make our own group more powerful. I am sorry that we arent going to let North Korea have nuclear bombs, is it their right? Well if they had the power it would be, but they do not so they do not have this right. Same with Iran, they might want nuclear bombs but they lack the power to do this so they try and appeal to a sense of fairness in the international community. However I don't recall the world ever being fair.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: TheCow]
#7621703 - 11/11/07 11:35 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I say we let those crazy, nuts ruin their country and we worry about the religious nuts in our country. Let them ruin their own country; we don't need to help.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: Redstorm]
#7633875 - 11/14/07 05:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The thing is though, it looks like America is headed to Iran next.
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Re: I'm starting to respect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad more and more.. [Re: WScott]
#7633883 - 11/14/07 05:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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My brother in law seems to think differently. He is an apache pilot and served a tour in Iraq previously. I don't remember his reasoning but it was sound at the time. I'll see if I can't talk to him on Thanks Giving.
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