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Who Makes LSD?
    #7618067 - 11/10/07 09:58 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Obviously I'm not asking for anybody specific, I just mean in general. It's really hard to make, you basically have to have majored in chemistry. And the equipment is expensive, the ingredients are rare, and the purchase of either will have the DEA all over your ass. Then, when you take into consideration the risk versus the reward...who in their right mind would ever make LSD? Is is just rogue college grad students using the college lab, or is it underground people using equipment in their basement...etc. I guess this goes for MDMA and other synthesized drugs as well.


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: g00ru] * 1
    #7618074 - 11/10/07 10:00 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

really really really special people
i love them whoever they are.


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: g00ru]
    #7618112 - 11/10/07 10:17 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

You don't necessarily need to major in chemistry to be able to make LSD. Thats a myth. A lot of underground chemists are taught by someone who knows the synthesis well and teaches them all the steps in a specific synthesis, like an apprentice of sorts. I believe a lot of the guys who do it have legitimate businesses and legitimate reasons for buying the ingredients that are watched by the government.


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: g00ru]
    #7618126 - 11/10/07 10:23 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

wow man you really have no idea what you are talking about, it is a total myth the whole "you have to be a chemistry major to make acid"
anybody can make lsd if they set there mind to it and study hard enough


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: dutchmushroom]
    #7618195 - 11/10/07 10:44 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Thats a real interesting question. Ive always wondered who cooked up LSD in a science lab, who ever they are.. i love them!


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: dutchmushroom]
    #7618228 - 11/10/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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wow man you really have no idea what you are talking about, it is a total myth the whole "you have to be a chemistry major to make acid"
anybody can make lsd if they set there mind to it and study hard enough





Yeah, study hard enough, as in major in it. Or at least take some college courses. If you mess up you can hurt yourself and others. So, even if everybody can make acid that doesn't mean that everybody should.


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: gENERIX]
    #7618262 - 11/10/07 11:05 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I've wondered similar things before..
But more along the lines of...

Do the people who make the LSD partake in the... taking of it?
I mean.. I could easily see someone becoming high as a kite in outer space while synthesizing it.

Bless them
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I wonder what the ratio is of chemists who have gone through school and have legitimate reasons for the labware and chemicals, opposed to those who have learned from others who know the synthesis like the back of their eyelids.


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: g00ru]
    #7618289 - 11/10/07 11:13 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Me:evil:


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: why_not_me]
    #7618749 - 11/10/07 01:14 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

you should hook us all up then why_not_me :wink:

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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: TheEric]
    #7618784 - 11/10/07 01:23 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Read the book Acid Dreams! You'll find out that most of the people making the dynamite acid of the 60's(-the stuff of legends- Owsley acid, Orange Sunshine, Original Sandoz, etc.) were not doing it for profit, but for some other higher purpose. Acid in the 60's was incredibly potent, probably moreso than anything we can get ahold of these days. After the gov't cracked down on LSD and The Brotherhood of Eternal Love, small-time chemists (kitchen cookers) took over the street acid scene. This is the period where substances other than LSD were given as acid. Since then it's been pretty much the same. Some genuine acid, mostly bunk/weak acid.

But to answer your question. I think the people that make the good LSD that we've come to know and love are people that take it and understand that someone's gotta do it. I'd say it's like a spiritual calling.;)

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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Jeebies]
    #7618891 - 11/10/07 01:45 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I have wondered this a lot myself. I think its somewhere in the middle. It cant be all coming from 1-2 sources, and probably never did, despite what the DEA says. second, i think although they caught some big time producers, i think that only acheived splintering it, and people have and are filling the void somehow.


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: dutchmushroom]
    #7618938 - 11/10/07 01:55 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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wow man you really have no idea what you are talking about, it is a total myth the whole "you have to be a chemistry major to make acid" anybody can make lsd if they set there mind to it and study hard enough



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robbyberto said:
You don't necessarily need to major in chemistry to be able to make LSD. Thats a myth.



Exactly, you don't necessarily need a college chemistry background, but you still need to know your shit regardless. Study Study Study, I would assume. If you are an intelligent and logical individual with the capacity to acquire the information and teach yourself, chances are you can major in clandestine chemistry.

Edited by Adagio (11/10/07 02:00 PM)

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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: dirtworshipper]
    #7618953 - 11/10/07 01:58 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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dirtworshipper said:
I wonder what the ratio is of chemists who have gone through school and have legitimate reasons for the labware and chemicals, opposed to those who have learned from others who know the synthesis like the back of their eyelids.



2 to 1 "legitimate" to underground/self-taught :smirk:
I wonder myself sometimes as well, but I guess there's really no way to ever truly know.

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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Robo]
    #7619064 - 11/10/07 02:23 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Prob got its start from the Man.you have any idea how many hundereds of billions pharmecutical companies made this year.its sickning.

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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: jetskipimp247]
    #7619132 - 11/10/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah, study hard enough, as in major in it. Or at least take some college courses. If you mess up you can hurt yourself and others. So, even if everybody can make acid that doesn't mean that everybody should.







are you a chemist? i am,

have you ever read the lsd synthesis out of alexander shulgins book "tihkal"? i have,

please do not spread misinformation about something you obviously know nothing about,


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: dutchmushroom]
    #7619143 - 11/10/07 02:53 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)


Edited by Ombient (12/16/08 12:34 AM)

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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Robo]
    #7619173 - 11/10/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

It's almost mythologically difficult to make pureLSD.

Anyone could make a substance that contains LSD with the right instruction manual and precursors in a clandestine lab.

getting the ergotamine tartrate is nearly impossible and pretty much defines who can make LSD en masse.

I do not think it's entirely unbelievable that most good LSD comes from a handful of sources. With the right resources, someone with a little know-how could definitely make enough LSD to dose the population of california. That amount of material (if pure) would weigh less than a kilo.

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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Jeebies]
    #7619207 - 11/10/07 03:14 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

considering that the dose amount is in micrograms, it wouldn't take a hell of a lot of people to make enough to dose millions

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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Seventy]
    #7619230 - 11/10/07 03:21 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

That's exactly how it was originally. Owsley synthesized enough LSD to keep the hippies in Haight-Ashbury happy for several years, taking doses that dwarf anything we're accustomed to nowadays.

1,000-10,000mcg doses were not uncommon. Especially in CIA circles.

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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Robo]
    #7619295 - 11/10/07 03:38 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

The main obstacles are the required equipment, and more importantly, the precursors. On top of that, there's no demand for the drug. The drug business is a business. Most drug chemists stick to the amphetamines - easy money:

"Please excuse the simplicity, but the KISS principal stands true. This is tried and tested and since 1997 is old news to us. 8 oz's of 14 - 1 100% pure is worth abit of money. If done twice, a lb is worth $42,000 in Victoria wholesale. Thats a bit of chemist travelling to get 300 boxes of 30's, at 10$ a box, which is the main expense, but who's complaining when you've paid off the house? It also keeps you independant from the main crews in the production deals so you don't have to fork out 50% for them supplying the ephedrine. Sell quickly, sell bulk C.O.D. and enjoy life. Independance is the key and soon this simplicity will be hampered with by authorities."
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