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Who Makes LSD?
#7618067 - 11/10/07 09:58 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Obviously I'm not asking for anybody specific, I just mean in general. It's really hard to make, you basically have to have majored in chemistry. And the equipment is expensive, the ingredients are rare, and the purchase of either will have the DEA all over your ass. Then, when you take into consideration the risk versus the reward...who in their right mind would ever make LSD? Is is just rogue college grad students using the college lab, or is it underground people using equipment in their basement...etc. I guess this goes for MDMA and other synthesized drugs as well.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: g00ru]
#7618112 - 11/10/07 10:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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You don't necessarily need to major in chemistry to be able to make LSD. Thats a myth. A lot of underground chemists are taught by someone who knows the synthesis well and teaches them all the steps in a specific synthesis, like an apprentice of sorts. I believe a lot of the guys who do it have legitimate businesses and legitimate reasons for buying the ingredients that are watched by the government.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: g00ru]
#7618126 - 11/10/07 10:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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wow man you really have no idea what you are talking about, it is a total myth the whole "you have to be a chemistry major to make acid" anybody can make lsd if they set there mind to it and study hard enough
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Thats a real interesting question. Ive always wondered who cooked up LSD in a science lab, who ever they are.. i love them!
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dutchmushroom said: wow man you really have no idea what you are talking about, it is a total myth the whole "you have to be a chemistry major to make acid" anybody can make lsd if they set there mind to it and study hard enough
Yeah, study hard enough, as in major in it. Or at least take some college courses. If you mess up you can hurt yourself and others. So, even if everybody can make acid that doesn't mean that everybody should.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: gENERIX]
#7618262 - 11/10/07 11:05 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've wondered similar things before.. But more along the lines of...
Do the people who make the LSD partake in the... taking of it? I mean.. I could easily see someone becoming high as a kite in outer space while synthesizing it.
Bless them

I wonder what the ratio is of chemists who have gone through school and have legitimate reasons for the labware and chemicals, opposed to those who have learned from others who know the synthesis like the back of their eyelids.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: g00ru]
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: TheEric]
#7618784 - 11/10/07 01:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Read the book Acid Dreams! You'll find out that most of the people making the dynamite acid of the 60's(-the stuff of legends- Owsley acid, Orange Sunshine, Original Sandoz, etc.) were not doing it for profit, but for some other higher purpose. Acid in the 60's was incredibly potent, probably moreso than anything we can get ahold of these days. After the gov't cracked down on LSD and The Brotherhood of Eternal Love, small-time chemists (kitchen cookers) took over the street acid scene. This is the period where substances other than LSD were given as acid. Since then it's been pretty much the same. Some genuine acid, mostly bunk/weak acid.
But to answer your question. I think the people that make the good LSD that we've come to know and love are people that take it and understand that someone's gotta do it. I'd say it's like a spiritual calling.;)
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Jeebies]
#7618891 - 11/10/07 01:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have wondered this a lot myself. I think its somewhere in the middle. It cant be all coming from 1-2 sources, and probably never did, despite what the DEA says. second, i think although they caught some big time producers, i think that only acheived splintering it, and people have and are filling the void somehow.
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dutchmushroom said: wow man you really have no idea what you are talking about, it is a total myth the whole "you have to be a chemistry major to make acid" anybody can make lsd if they set there mind to it and study hard enough
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robbyberto said: You don't necessarily need to major in chemistry to be able to make LSD. Thats a myth.
Exactly, you don't necessarily need a college chemistry background, but you still need to know your shit regardless. Study Study Study, I would assume. If you are an intelligent and logical individual with the capacity to acquire the information and teach yourself, chances are you can major in clandestine chemistry.
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dirtworshipper said: I wonder what the ratio is of chemists who have gone through school and have legitimate reasons for the labware and chemicals, opposed to those who have learned from others who know the synthesis like the back of their eyelids.
2 to 1 "legitimate" to underground/self-taught  I wonder myself sometimes as well, but I guess there's really no way to ever truly know.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Robo]
#7619064 - 11/10/07 02:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prob got its start from the Man.you have any idea how many hundereds of billions pharmecutical companies made this year.its sickning.
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Yeah, study hard enough, as in major in it. Or at least take some college courses. If you mess up you can hurt yourself and others. So, even if everybody can make acid that doesn't mean that everybody should.
are you a chemist? i am,
have you ever read the lsd synthesis out of alexander shulgins book "tihkal"? i have,
please do not spread misinformation about something you obviously know nothing about,
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Robo]
#7619173 - 11/10/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's almost mythologically difficult to make pureLSD.
Anyone could make a substance that contains LSD with the right instruction manual and precursors in a clandestine lab.
getting the ergotamine tartrate is nearly impossible and pretty much defines who can make LSD en masse.
I do not think it's entirely unbelievable that most good LSD comes from a handful of sources. With the right resources, someone with a little know-how could definitely make enough LSD to dose the population of california. That amount of material (if pure) would weigh less than a kilo.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Jeebies]
#7619207 - 11/10/07 03:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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considering that the dose amount is in micrograms, it wouldn't take a hell of a lot of people to make enough to dose millions
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Seventy]
#7619230 - 11/10/07 03:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's exactly how it was originally. Owsley synthesized enough LSD to keep the hippies in Haight-Ashbury happy for several years, taking doses that dwarf anything we're accustomed to nowadays.
1,000-10,000mcg doses were not uncommon. Especially in CIA circles.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Robo]
#7619295 - 11/10/07 03:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The main obstacles are the required equipment, and more importantly, the precursors. On top of that, there's no demand for the drug. The drug business is a business. Most drug chemists stick to the amphetamines - easy money:
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: g00ru]
#7619533 - 11/10/07 04:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I haven't read this book, but it will give you a glimpse into what kinds of people make LSD.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1434801926/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-9618161-6739848#reader-link
When I got to the part about a lavish missile silo in Kansas, William Leonard Pickard's name instantly popped into my head.
On Todd: http://www.freepickard.org/skinner.html - Krystal Cole (is/was his wife) is mentioned.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: g00ru] 1
#7619556 - 11/10/07 04:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Read the book "The Brotherhood of Eternal Love". It'll give you and idea of how the underground LSD manufacture/distribution works.
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LSD would be a lot more abundant in the U.S. if it weren't for the DEA seizing about two billion hits of acid in South Dakota some years ago..
However, acid's still just as strong as it was in the 60's, if you know the right people you can get it for $20 or less and it'll take control of you for 16 hours.
As for the people who make it...anyone who's witty enough and knows their shit. LSD is quite complicated to make, there's documents of how-to's online and you really need to know your chemistry shit (college-level) in order to synthesize it yourself. Plus, you need access to lots of chemistry equipment, you can't do it in your garage or anything...you need a lab.
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#7620010 - 11/10/07 07:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I love this quote from thegooddrugsguide.com,
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Doses of LSD are measured in micrograms (ug) or millionths of a gram. One ounce of LSD contains enough doses for 300,000 adults. Two suitcases of the stuff would be enough to dose the entire population of the USA.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: gENERIX]
#7620139 - 11/10/07 07:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think organised crime sydnicates would be able to get all the equipment and ingredients they need to make it. They have enough money and they know the right people. Most of them probably stick to speed and coke etc, but i can see how someone could be attracted to making lsd, just because you need so little to make so much. They could have a lab working hard for a month, and make enough of the chemical to last them for years. There could be millions of dollars in that.
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lsd is a special substance bro, it should not be controlled by the drug maffia, who controle speed and coke/crack,
if you read lsd related books suck as acid dreams and lsd my problem child by hoffman, then you would know that it takes a special kinda people to make acid and that it shouldint be made by money hungery fucks like the drug maffia
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dutchmushroom said: lsd is a special substance bro, it should not be controlled by the drug maffia, who controle speed and coke/crack,
if you read lsd related books suck as acid dreams and lsd my problem child by hoffman, then you would know that it takes a special kinda people to make acid and that it shouldint be made by money hungery fucks like the drug maffia
peace out Dm
Money hungry drug gangs will make whatever is in demand. The truth is that LSD isn't. If it was, it'd be as readily available as weed. If Quaaludes or 2C-T-7 were in demand, we'd see those around too.
So you're right in a way. The fact that it is not in demand screens out the money hungry group, so LSD is made by people who are passionate about the drug. It's important to keep in mind that this is just because the drug is not in demand, and not because ONLY special people can make it.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Quake3]
#7621916 - 11/11/07 01:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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are you a chemist? i am,
have you ever read the lsd synthesis out of alexander shulgins book "tihkal"? i have,
please do not spread misinformation about something you obviously know nothing about,
Maybe you don't actually need to major in it, but to make good 60's quality LSD you should at least have a college level understanding of chemistry. From everything I've read it is not an easy molecule to synthesize. I'm sure there are people who know the synthesis like the back of their hand and don't really understand the chemistry, and those people can probably make some serviceable acid, but it's really just common sense that the uneducated shouldn't be making and distributing LSD. And you're right, I don't have any idea about the process of making acid, that's why I made the thread.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: g00ru]
#7622304 - 11/11/07 02:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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im sorry man i was a little hard on you looking bak at what i posted, shows me for posting sober aha
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in your orginal question, you mentioned mdma. Is Safrole Oil the hardest to obtain precursor?
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Fraggin]
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Robo]
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Oh... Just wondering since I have access to it.
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guruu said: Obviously I'm not asking for anybody specific, I just mean in general. It's really hard to make, you basically have to have majored in chemistry. And the equipment is expensive, the ingredients are rare, and the purchase of either will have the DEA all over your ass. Then, when you take into consideration the risk versus the reward...who in their right mind would ever make LSD? Is is just rogue college grad students using the college lab, or is it underground people using equipment in their basement...etc. I guess this goes for MDMA and other synthesized drugs as well.
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dutchmushroom said: if you read lsd related books suck as acid dreams and lsd my problem child by hoffman, then you would know that it takes a special kinda people to make acid and that it shouldint be made by money hungery fucks like the drug maffia peace out Dm
You don't know what your talking about./the ppl controlling LSD now-a-days ARE money hungry.
You know books but Do you know ppl up the chain?Didn't think so.
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there's a difference between money hungry and making it worth the risk. As for DEA... in america they may be all over you, in other countries though...
and besides you can come across precursors the same way as people go out and buy drugs. just need to know the right people and have the right amount of money to get it discreetly to where you want it. As for a lab... you could build a lab in a farm house out in the middle of nowhere and no one would be the wiser.
if you're smart enough to be able to organise everything discreetly, learning the synthesis isn't all too hard.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Quake3]
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I've always wanted to learn how to make it. And then get a legitimate job but just make some acid in my basement or something. Enough for me and enough to make some extra money. Unfortunately I really know very little about it
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: halo]
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I've considered this kind of thing in the past. But, what if you end up with two grams of pure lsd, then what? I'm sure some of you have the answer. It just seems like that if you did want to $$ off of it, then you would have to know someone you trust to offload it to. And with 10,000+ hits, you're talking about a major cash dynamic in the equation. I would hate to be connected to an end product that would get to so many people... Say, you know two people that are accustomed to handling high volumes of hard cash. You give 5,000 hits each to them. You wouldn't expect them to sell single size doses until they are all gone. Chances are, they may find a few people to buy at least 500 hits each. Those people, are going to probably turn a proft at a concert or rave or something. Then maybe one or two proliferates the high school or local college with it. It just seems that the degree of seperation would be slim seeing how a high demand, low supply drug would creep out into your local society. But then again, I'm no drug lord.
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There was a thread about the "acid family" and doing a "thumbprint" earlier. I can't seem to find it though. It talked about the poeple higher up in the acid chain though, and what you had to do to be trusted.
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Oh yeah the "Rainbow Family." Aren't they the ones that put on Bonaroo? I might be really misinformed here but I thought that was the case. I can't believe I forgot about them, a bunch of modern day hippies who make awesome quality LSD-25 and share it with each other.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: g00ru]
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93 On that note, not that I am an expert on the matter, but the "family" and "rainbow family" are entirely seperate. The chinacat postings in the infamous thumbprint thread were about the acid producing family. Very interesting read. 93 93/93
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: lavod]
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whoaaaa, sooo much misinformation in here.
i dont even know where to start.
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john706 said: whoaaaa, sooo much misinformation in here.
i dont even know where to start.
You're probably referring to my post. All the information I have in there is like fifth hand. Wikipedia research incoming!!!
edit: I looked up Rainbow Family, didn't see anything about acid...ummm I guess I heard wrong from somebody
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: g00ru]
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lol That post does seem a bit er... off for you DM. 
The THUMBPRINT is a good read and imo one of the all time best threads on the Shroomery.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: john706]
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john706 said: whoaaaa, sooo much misinformation in here.
i dont even know where to start.
93 Very well but, it is quite important that you do start. Otherwise your post was a waste of space, reeking of empty condescension. "Information" about the underground drug market, especially when dealing with lsd, is not easily obtained. Information about the drug trade is distorted by the media, the government, and the drug culture alike in the form of myths and propaganda. The best most people without, at worst, second hand experience(which still leaves room for misinformation) can do is speculate intelligently. Thing is, most of the higher-up are there because they possess the level of secrecy needed to protect both themselves and(most likely) their governmental ties. 93 93/93
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: lavod]
#7623558 - 11/11/07 09:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Go chat it up with Krystle Cole. I'm sure you two would hit it off nicely.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Quake3]
#7623940 - 11/11/07 10:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Rainbow family
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If you can find the precursors to make 2 grams of LSD chances are you are gonna know people who can push 2 grams for you. Its just like the other drug businesses the higher you go the more plentiful and cheaper the drugs become.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: drew345]
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dutchmushroom said: i fucking used 2b be a;=b22r2r2rbtgb e 2 know a DEAD head who was an lsd chemist whith a degree "S=H sold a milion+ hits a year!!! he was a great guy. he was a veery nice to me we hanfed out every year, and we were good,
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holy shit i posted that? no more hitting the bottle till next weekend,
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Why does everyone think the precursors are impossible to find? Ergot is relatively simple to grow, and diethylamine isn't too hard to find at all. If you have the skills and a little determination you can do it.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: EllisDSox]
#7625388 - 11/12/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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*gasp* EllisDSox is making LSD
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Robo]
#7625407 - 11/12/07 11:58 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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didnt someone say there is some kind of medicine at the grocery store that can be used for this??
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: lavod]
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lavod said:
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john706 said: whoaaaa, sooo much misinformation in here.
i dont even know where to start.
93 Very well but, it is quite important that you do start. Otherwise your post was a waste of space, reeking of empty condescension. "Information" about the underground drug market, especially when dealing with lsd, is not easily obtained. Information about the drug trade is distorted by the media, the government, and the drug culture alike in the form of myths and propaganda. The best most people without, at worst, second hand experience(which still leaves room for misinformation) can do is speculate intelligently. Thing is, most of the higher-up are there because they possess the level of secrecy needed to protect both themselves and(most likely) their governmental ties. 93 93/93
i post plenty of replys to plenty of peoples questions, but everything in this thread, even the stuff thats cited wrong can be found on the shroomery using the search function. not to sound like one of those people, but we cant be spoon feeding people the same exact answers every month or so. everything on here is archived for a reason.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: john706]
#7626329 - 11/12/07 03:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Man up and give it the ol' college try, if you succeed, share, it you don't we'll read about it on headline news.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: em_bre_O]
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: EllisDSox]
#7628195 - 11/12/07 10:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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EllisDSox said: ....... and diethylamine isn't too hard to find at all. If you have the skills and a little determination you can do it.
Really? my ass.......show me.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: em_bre_O]
#7628210 - 11/12/07 10:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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This book apparently tells you how to get a hold of the chemicals needed for LSD production.
If anyone cares.
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try again
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: g00ru]
#7628882 - 11/13/07 04:26 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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well, i dunno about you guys, but i just finished the final stage of my latest cook. should have about 3kg's of LSd by tomorrow afternoon!
making lsd is easy, a lot easier than all the shroomery members here would have you think. the ingredients are a lot easier to come by and the method is simple enough so that after about 3 or 4 goes you will have it down pat.
(jokes)
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: indica]
#7628899 - 11/13/07 04:51 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why does everyone recommend college? Is it because it's more hands on the university and easier to learn synths or just because university is harder to get into?
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: jellyfish]
#7628909 - 11/13/07 04:58 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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college = a part of a university.
university of california college of science and engineering. major: chemistry
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: pong]
#7628940 - 11/13/07 05:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here in Canada some university buildings are called colleges but actual colleges require lower marks and are for people who want to enter the work force quickly. A 60% average in high school can get you into a college but you need to be in high 70s or higher and have university level high school credits to get into university.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: em_bre_O]
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Really? my ass.......show me.
Look around the internet for yourself for half an hour and you'll be able to find at least three sources for diethylamine. Seriously, it's not difficult.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: EllisDSox]
#7630244 - 11/13/07 12:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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RELIABLE is the word i should have used
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Quake3]
#7630469 - 11/13/07 01:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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my girlfriends dad got expelled from school for making LSD when he was a kid. To this day, he still knows how to make it and is NOT a chemist.
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I'm not a chemist but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: jellyfish]
#7632781 - 11/13/07 09:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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jellyfish said: Why does everyone recommend college? Is it because it's more hands on the university and easier to learn synths or just because university is harder to get into?
people recomend higher education mostly cuz their idiots and they themselves don't know how to make acid so they presume others can't
LSD is not that difficult, hell any synth isn't that hard once its mapped out
college labs are helpful to learn procedures, but this won't stop someone who can read and does
lecture is useful for understanding what substituions can be made
If you can get the materials, and read, you can make acid- end of story
sure after education the processes will become easier for you to do, but no biggie to just do it
and college degree won't make it any easier to get ahold of chemicals, most reputable places only require a buisness address and some background info. Standard government forms.. you're in
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Quake3]
#7633143 - 11/13/07 10:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Chemists make lsd
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: em_bre_O]
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RELIABLE is the word i should have used
Well I guess I meant to say two instead of three then.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Mojo]
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In MOST cases you really do need some sort of chemistry education to make LSD, otherwise you don't really know what you're doing and bad things can happen. Whether this is college or self-taught you really shouldn't just jump in and try and make acid just based on the tikhal instructions (even if they are accurate), people have gotten hospitalized that way.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: g00ru]
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ultimately GOD makes LSD
we are all He, no
just really interesting intricate plays of karma that are rather baffling and
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: leery11]
#7650356 - 11/18/07 09:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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did you recently take some of the stuff GOD created?
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dirtworshipper said: Do the people who make the LSD partake in the... taking of it? I mean.. I could easily see someone becoming high as a kite in outer space while synthesizing it.
They wear protective clothing (gloves, facemask, etc.) and the process is run through a closed system so that chemicals cannot evaporate into the air.
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I wonder what the ratio is of chemists who have gone through school and have legitimate reasons for the labware and chemicals, opposed to those who have learned from others who know the synthesis like the back of their eyelids.
It's not hard to get the necessary equipment - none of it is designed specifically for the creation of LSD. The stuff is expensive however, so I would definitely save my pennies to buy it.
The chemicals are the tricky part. Many of these you would have to make yourself since the sale of such are monitored by authorities. You would definitely have to grow the ergot yourself, but that's not difficult since you can obtain rye anywhere.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/20358/How-to-make-LSD
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Jeebies]
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Jeebies said: 1,000-10,000mcg doses were not uncommon. Especially in CIA circles.
What is your source for this info? The human brain would be saturated at the 5HT areas after 500 ug. No one would intentionally prepare doses in excess of 1000 ug knowing it would just be wasted.
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tyler_0_durden said: LSD would be a lot more abundant in the U.S. if it weren't for the DEA seizing about two billion hits of acid in South Dakota some years ago..
... that and people like Timothy Leary going around telling everyone to start using it ...
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However, acid's still just as strong as it was in the 60's, if you know the right people you can get it for $20 or less and it'll take control of you for 16 hours.
One of the reasons why it's pretty much confined to California these days. We want the feds to keep their noses out of our business.
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As for the people who make it...anyone who's witty enough and knows their shit. LSD is quite complicated to make, there's documents of how-to's online and you really need to know your chemistry shit (college-level) in order to synthesize it yourself. Plus, you need access to lots of chemistry equipment, you can't do it in your garage or anything...you need a lab.
However, you can get the necessary parts and pieces and set up your own lab in your garage.
For some specialized pieces of glassware, you could go to glass blowers, such as those found at county fairs, and pay them to make those particular items.
Many of the chemicals could be obtained from university labs. Just need to ask your contacts (current chem students) who have access to them to obtain small amounts for you.
I'll be honest with you: You're not going to get this procedure right the first time - no one does. You have to practice the steps over and over and over again, understanding what's going on in each step, and discovering why something didn't work the way it was supposed to. During the course of improvement, you will develop your own method of production which works better for you than the original outline.
A lot of us get sloppy in the process and try to take shortcuts, which leads to poor quality product. It's so important that you not do this, and take the tedious route all the way through regardless of how boring it seems.
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dutchmushroom said: lsd is a special substance bro, it should not be controlled by the drug maffia, who controle speed and coke/crack,
if you read lsd related books suck as acid dreams and lsd my problem child by hoffman, then you would know that it takes a special kinda people to make acid and that it shouldint be made by money hungery fucks like the drug maffia
peace out Dm
We do not want organized groups to get invoved in production of our product. We don't need negative publicity associated with anything we do. Our goal is to get the product legallized, and to help achive this, keeping the overall view of the drug as "safe and responsible" is the way to go. Having mobs and such get invoved is definetly not the way to go.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Quake3]
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Quake3 said: Money hungry drug gangs will make whatever is in demand. The truth is that LSD isn't. If it was, it'd be as readily available as weed. If Quaaludes or 2C-T-7 were in demand, we'd see those around too.
So you're right in a way. The fact that it is not in demand screens out the money hungry group, so LSD is made by people who are passionate about the drug. It's important to keep in mind that this is just because the drug is not in demand, and not because ONLY special people can make it.
The main reason that LSD is not in demand is that it has always been a cult drug. It's not for everyone - a concept defied by the late Timothy Leary, who incidentally was partly responsible (albeit indirectly) for those infamous DEA raids.
We want to keep LSD as a cult drug - to be enjoyed only by those of us who understand it's purpose and see the importance of keeping it away from irresponsible people (gangs) and children.
We never once thought of making the stuff to earn big profits, as is done with drugs like cocaine and heroin. For those of us who make it, we only want to earn enough money back for our trouble and to cover the cost of resources used.
We have specific reasons for creating this fine product, and I assure you - making profit is not one of them. We want to keep it this way.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: EllisDSox]
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EllisDSox said: Why does everyone think the precursors are impossible to find? Ergot is relatively simple to grow, and diethylamine isn't too hard to find at all. If you have the skills and a little determination you can do it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethylamine
Rye is available just about anywhere (for growing ergot), and diethylamine comes from ethanol (vodka) and ammonia - both of which are readily available.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said: In MOST cases you really do need some sort of chemistry education to make LSD, otherwise you don't really know what you're doing and bad things can happen. Whether this is college or self-taught you really shouldn't just jump in and try and make acid just based on the tikhal instructions (even if they are accurate), people have gotten hospitalized that way.
When I was in college taking chemistry, a few friends with myself started to make various chemicals which weren't exactly allowed in the labs. One of the items we made was nitroglycerin. We just had to try that because we knew it wasn't something everyone was doing. Had we not known about various checical reactions and disregarded safety precautions, we would have blown our faces away.
I can't tell you the number of times I have (inadvertantly) made numerous toxic chemicals that could have killed me many times over. We would see funky yellow steam come from our flasks and wonder what that was. We would read various books to find out what we had made, and then would find that it was a combination of sulfates and cyanide gases. Needless to say, inhaling any kind of gas with cynanide ions would not be a wise thing to do.
Since that experience, we decided that the wise thing to do was conduct our experiments in closed systems so that none of our toxic buddies would escape into the air.
Who knew it was going to be that dangerous?
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I've been looking around alot at the syth. methods of people and just variouse teks that aren't legit just to absorb what I can. I read festers book several times. Petroleum Either/Naphtha, Chloroform, Ammonia, Methanol, Sulfuric Acid, KOH, Ether, hexane, sodium nitrate are not as hard to find as say.. Tartric Acid, Magnesium Sulfate, anhydrous hydrazine, acetylacetone, Diethylamine, ethylene dichloride.
I also read that you can turn Lysergic Acid Hydrazide into LSD by adding Sodium Nitrate and then reacting with diethylamine. I would love to hypatheticaly synth this product and share with everyone I can! I feel very fustrated when people discourage others from trying becuase they themselves feel that it's out of their reach. I say, tough for you, let the eager sponge up needed knowledge.
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Diethylamine isnt that in Bacardi 151?
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: haymaker]
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haymaker said: Diethylamine isnt that in Bacardi 151?
You're kidding right? Bacardi 151 is 75% ethanol and the other 25% is coloring and flavorings that make up the rum.
If there were any diethylamine in it, it would be very minute and pretty much non-detectable.
However, if you were to add ammonia to it, it would react with the ethanol and produce diethylamine. Just don't drink it after that!
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: haymaker]
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didn't bother to read all the post, but here in Houston area, There is lots of talk about acid coming from Austin. And from Galveston too. Reason i've been told is because it comes in from out the country into galveston bay.. And other theory is that colledge students may be trying to make it at the university in austin. But i don't know. Just know lots of acid in these two cities in Texas
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Ogla]
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NEVER seen acid in VT.. I've never had the chance to try it.. Makes me want to make it. Anyone see the same? I wish that I could find a connect for like a 10 strip. or somthing. Hell I'd get a sheet of it at once so I could try it and then if I liked it, I would keep it and use it to it's full extent . If I didnt, I'd spread the love around me to people that I know do like it. I could introduce someone to it maybe they will in turn, help spread the love becuase of me. REally wish I had that chance. Thats why I do it with mushrooms. If I had access to a small house in the country side, I'd turn that into a lab and I would save up for the chems. and research for legit substitutes for some of the harder to access chemicles and then go covert ops and cultivate a crappy feild of rye to obtaine the neccasary culture to spray on my rye feild and then I will plant a rye feild in the same exact spot and keep it soggy to a point so it generates alot of natural ergot and then I'll spray down the feild 5 times aday! From there, it's a good month's journey or so and then I can find a way to finance some things to make the inside a house again and hide my lab equipment and then sell the house and get away with the goods.. hypothetically of course.. But really.. wish I had a connect for a sheet right now.. My freinds and me have planned for getting one for a while and I want it to happen..
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hightimesreader said: But really.. wish I had a connect for a sheet right now.. My freinds and me have planned for getting one for a while and I want it to happen..
HTR
Why not plan a trip out here to California? You will have no trouble getting it if you just ask around once you are here.
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As a kid who knew next to nothing about chemistry, but climbed the echelons of knowledge until able to safely synthesize various useful compounds, I can assure all of you that much is possible without ever setting foot in a university.
Admittedly, I've never looked into LSD manufacture, but it stands to reason that:
-Almost unfailingly, any precursor can be obtained from over-the-counter sources, by careful ordering of chemicals, or something a little more cloak-and-dagger and extracting/refining/synthesizing until we get what we want.
-There are almost always cheaper ways to create apparatus from easily found materials (besides which, last I checked, glassware isn't regulated).
I believe the main challenge would be, as someone else mentioned, working out a process with a good yield. Obviously the conditions would need to be carefully regulated to obtain useful amounts of product.
Good luck to all the backyard chemists of the world!
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Oh, and by the way, someone mentioned that people should stay away from chemistry because it's dangerous (and icky ). This is nonsense. Even explosives can be safely created if the individual learns a few general lab-safety rules.
Hint: Do like 'ya oughta, add acid to water.
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andyistic said: One thing we've been good at doing is keeping the 60's alive.
I think that 2010-2019 will be a very strange decade.
So instead of keeping the 60'S alive, why not construct a steady 2010's?
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Quake3]
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water into wine? how bout water into good L...? alchemy..
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dirtworshipper said: I've wondered similar things before.. But more along the lines of...
Do the people who make the LSD partake in the... taking of it?
A good chef always tastes his own recipe before he serves it up. I think the chemists who make lsd probably have a tolerance to it because they're probably around it all the time. Hell, Hoffman himself tripped just by getting a tiny amount of it on his skin so I can see whoever is making it getting exposed all the time; since even invisible amounts have an effect... kind of like radiation exposure, even with th hazmat suit you're still getting rems.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: g00ru]
#7652218 - 11/18/07 07:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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read the thumbprint and crystal to blotter threads here in the shroomery for the story....
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Ogla]
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losfreddy said: didn't bother to read all the post, but here in Houston area, There is lots of talk about acid coming from Austin. And from Galveston too. Reason i've been told is because it comes in from out the country into galveston bay.. And other theory is that colledge students may be trying to make it at the university in austin. But i don't know. Just know lots of acid in these two cities in Texas
i can confirm this. tons of good liquid in austin. supposedly from SF bay area.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: EllisDSox]
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Really? my ass.......show me.
Look around the internet for yourself for half an hour and you'll be able to find at least three sources for diethylamine. Seriously, it's not difficult.
again i agreee.
i have looke dup the ingredients to make lsd and even easier to make is LSA.
i do know for a fact LSA ingredients are on wikipedia when you look for lsa look under extraction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_amide
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: g00ru]
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so i typed in what you should have and came up with the first reult from googling "how to make LSD"..
http://www.scribd.com/doc/20358/How-to-make-LSD
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I'd like to see some kind of list that shows why LSD is not so available.
-It's not the market -Many people are greedy and keep sheets for themselves (though, a lot share) -People are scared of LSD (Good job, government!) -More than beginner-lever chemistry.
BUT: -Chemicals easy to get (Well, from what I read now)
Damn this is weak. Please, someone, complete it.
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Really? my ass.......show me.
Look around the internet for yourself for half an hour and you'll be able to find at least three sources for diethylamine. Seriously, it's not difficult.
again i agreee.
i have looke dup the ingredients to make lsd and even easier to make is LSA.
i do know for a fact LSA ingredients are on wikipedia when you look for lsa look under extraction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_amide
where to begin with the dreams of those that will carry the torch and burn .... just ask theDudeNJ... serilously.. he's got all the mamanita u need!
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: 2newtz]
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Edited by novum (11/19/07 04:10 PM)
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Taco Chef]
#7655742 - 11/19/07 04:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Chemists make lsd
Someone laughed at that, but really it says it all. I happen to be a chemistry major, specializing in organic after a few more courses are finished up and the point is, are any of the people on here who say it's "easy to make" and the "ingredients" and equipment are "easy to find" really making LSD? No. It's the same as talking a whole bunch of jabber about making a jet engine, sure it's easy if you "study study study" but newsflash guys...it's called getting a degree in the field.
Ergot is not easy to cultivate. And you need basic chemistry know-how to even understand why the synthesis works, or else you're really stepping on hot coals. Just like the meth-heads who think it's a quick cook-up in their bathtub. And then a beaker overheats and they blow to smitherines...but be my guest in "reading up just a bit" and trying to make the shit...
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Don't get me wrong Azuresense, I agree with you all the way. Chemistry is not as simple as 1+1. Complicated organic synthesis, not to mention the biology aspect of Ergot is not a task the average "meth cook" is up to.
Nor am I bragging... "ya w/e i no how to make dat stuff from drain cleenr its not dat hard"
The only point I was trying to make earlier is that there are other ways to attain knowledge that are not university based.
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Just make DMT instead. So much easier to make.
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Enhance_Shammy said: Just make DMT instead. So much easier to make.
And by "make", I assume you mean extract naturally occurring DMT from plants?
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Justice_Fish said: I think that 2010-2019 will be a very strange decade. So instead of keeping the 60'S alive, why not construct a steady 2010's?
I just have this feeling that government will be even stiffer than it is now. We're headed in the direction of a facsist goverment. Something not unlike the story of "1984" by George Orwell.
I am completely in favor of legalization of psychelic drugs. I just don't see that happening any time soon.
Speaking of the future ... where's those hovering cars they kept promising me?
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robbyberto said: You don't necessarily need to major in chemistry to be able to make LSD. Thats a myth. A lot of underground chemists are taught by someone who knows the synthesis well and teaches them all the steps in a specific synthesis, like an apprentice of sorts. I believe a lot of the guys who do it have legitimate businesses and legitimate reasons for buying the ingredients that are watched by the government.
The ingredients aren't that watched, depending on what route you take to make it........the hazardous chemicals are watched, if you buy large amounts or look funny buying a little........but mainly, if you do attract interest then are seen collecting other things, odd things when all pieced together.
But your right, having things slip off a "legitimate" shelf is kinda nice, that's why people steal things to make illegal things.......and they are good enough to not get caught so nobody has a clue where it went.
The mafia is great at lifting things, especially from their own business or families business.....due to accounting for where everything went and all of that.
But any lab is going to find out sooner or later that things went missing, inventory must be taken at least once a year if you have hazardous chemicals.
Seems like a lot of college people make the L anymore, not a whole lot of old timers (surely there are some there as well). But just think how many chemistry students that do drugs and need cash that make some acid (just not pounds of it).
Edit: it's the ergotamine that is controlled (easy to get with good Mafia contexts or your own special interest group/mission). You could modify legal items to make ergotamine very easily, I heard of a nice African strain of ergot that is really potent too! 80%-90% what you want, but that phase takes time and it's messy/dangerous; not that dangerous if you can fallow lab safety anyhow.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: TreeMoss]
#9438671 - 12/15/08 05:56 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Who makes LSD?
That fuckin' crazy guy you see stumbling around in the park with the furry hat and only one boot.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: RasJeph]
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RasJeph said: Who makes LSD?
That fuckin' crazy guy you see stumbling around in the park with the furry hat and only one boot.
Ha, ya; go to a National Rainbow Gathering, surely some old wild hippie clad in strange garb can't quite recall that it wasn't someone else that made the acid but the self of that person at one time.
The largest gathering of the drug culture in the world at these things, even more than custy fests.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: TreeMoss]
#9439265 - 12/15/08 07:27 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont know who makes lsd, but I have a feeling its someone like this guy................
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Quake3]
#9439422 - 12/15/08 07:49 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I could definitely make LSD if I tried.
I just don't have the chemicals.
making it is easy... having the lab equipment is the hard part.
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Angel_Above said: I could definitely make LSD if I tried.
I just don't have the chemicals.
making it is easy... having the lab equipment is the hard part.
Not really, I don't suggest it but Chromo machine could be swiped....but not at all without notice.
Nothing other than the pre-fab precursors are hard to find and it's not hard overseas and it's easy to manufacture the precursors yourself......if you aren't lazy, which your not if you are going to make L, then you can wait a month to grow some culture....hell, a 55 gallon drug would grow a fair amount of ergot with a good strain.
I've just never heard if the fruit has more alkaloids than the mycelium, it's a dame tiny mushroom!
And I know the chromo isn't illegal, just costly, the most expensive part of the process unless you make a lot. If you could separate caffeine from erotamine then that would be fairly cheap but not as cheap as growing your own culture and I never heard yields about that.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: TreeMoss]
#9440853 - 12/15/08 11:25 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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OP answer:
Cooks in clandestine laboratories.
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Anyone with a solid laboratory background in organic chemistry should be able to make it with the right glassware, ingredients, time and location. The trick is not to massively dose yourself while you're cooking.
This thread is really old btw, why the fuck was this bumped?
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Set]
#9441009 - 12/15/08 11:55 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Set said: Anyone with a solid laboratory background in organic chemistry should be able to make it with the right glassware, ingredients, time and location. The trick is not to massively dose yourself while you're cooking.
Haha yeah even people laying sheets trip hard just from the laying process.
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Can't believe I just read this whole thread.
I've already decided that I'm always going to be a consumer. I could probably find and purchase a life supply of good acid much easier than synthing it just once. And that's saying a lot since I haven't once ever found a single hit
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Ophanim]
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Yeah, I read the whole thing as well. What a great read :-) .
Ophanim: Come on over here, and I'll dose you...
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Chemists make lsd
Someone laughed at that, but really it says it all. I happen to be a chemistry major, specializing in organic after a few more courses are finished up and the point is, are any of the people on here who say it's "easy to make" and the "ingredients" and equipment are "easy to find" really making LSD? No. It's the same as talking a whole bunch of jabber about making a jet engine, sure it's easy if you "study study study" but newsflash guys...it's called getting a degree in the field.
Ergot is not easy to cultivate. And you need basic chemistry know-how to even understand why the synthesis works, or else you're really stepping on hot coals. Just like the meth-heads who think it's a quick cook-up in their bathtub. And then a beaker overheats and they blow to smitherines...but be my guest in "reading up just a bit" and trying to make the shit...
This person said nothing at all.
Why do you need to cultivate ergot? You don't.
Why do you need to know how the synthesis works? You don't.
A beaker overheats and blows to smitherenes?
I'm guessing this specialiing in organic after a few more courses means this person took or is taking gen chem and thinks they've got this superior knowledge now. Sounds like Dunning-Kruger going on in here.
First, synthing LSD does not imply the creation of the precursors.
Second, if I was making it I'd just extract ergotamine from pharmaceutical tablets rather than worry about cultures and shit.
Third, given that you've not stated what is hard about mixing shit together, heating it, and pouring it off, I'm guessing you don't know why its hard to make LSD and just want to have an opinion.
You can read, you can follow instruction, then you can make LSD.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: johnm214]
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dude john i like the kop busters story you have linked
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Culpepers]
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Culpepers said: Yeah, I read the whole thing as well. What a great read :-) .
Ophanim: Come on over here, and I'll dose you...
The empty place is such a tricky one to find. I always end up in a noisy one.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said:
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Chemists make lsd
Someone laughed at that, but really it says it all. I happen to be a chemistry major, specializing in organic after a few more courses are finished up and the point is, are any of the people on here who say it's "easy to make" and the "ingredients" and equipment are "easy to find" really making LSD? No. It's the same as talking a whole bunch of jabber about making a jet engine, sure it's easy if you "study study study" but newsflash guys...it's called getting a degree in the field.
Ergot is not easy to cultivate. And you need basic chemistry know-how to even understand why the synthesis works, or else you're really stepping on hot coals. Just like the meth-heads who think it's a quick cook-up in their bathtub. And then a beaker overheats and they blow to smitherines...but be my guest in "reading up just a bit" and trying to make the shit...
This person said nothing at all.
Why do you need to cultivate ergot? You don't.
Why do you need to know how the synthesis works? You don't.
A beaker overheats and blows to smitherenes?
I'm guessing this specialiing in organic after a few more courses means this person took or is taking gen chem and thinks they've got this superior knowledge now. Sounds like Dunning-Kruger going on in here.
First, synthing LSD does not imply the creation of the precursors.
Second, if I was making it I'd just extract ergotamine from pharmaceutical tablets rather than worry about cultures and shit.
Third, given that you've not stated what is hard about mixing shit together, heating it, and pouring it off, I'm guessing you don't know why its hard to make LSD and just want to have an opinion.
You can read, you can follow instruction, then you can make LSD.
Ya, be calm and know your temperature and what not to exceed! It is nice to know what is going on and just what transition is occurring, I wouldn't want to try anything without being able to constantly visualize the process and find answers to any question that pops into me head.
Growing the Ergot Culture is the easiest, finding the ergot could/might be as hard as going through with the synthesis. I haven't even begun to search for ergot to identify, surprised nobody has some in the freezer anywhere that is a known form of ergot.
Edit: that link is stupid......they should of had the cops looking all dumb (they are usually so happy to find something illegal and be totally smart asses). Like "what's this, some marijuana"; we know what it is.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: johnm214]
#9454150 - 12/18/08 02:13 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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johnm214 said: You can read, you can follow instruction, then you can make LSD.
Agreed, LSD from raw ergot alkaloids is a three step process. It's not at all difficult. The reactions involved are as simple as "dissolve ergot alkaloids in nonpolar solvent and reflux for 24 hours under a condenser with addition of hydrazine." There's nothing difficult about the process.
Treemoss, I don't see why you're so focused on the "Chromo machine" which I think means "chromatography column." A chromatography column full of alumina is hardly going to be difficult to get a hold of.
If starting from raw ergot alkaloids, you need a few solvents plus diethylamine and hydrazine. These are the hard reagents to get. Sure, you can find tons of suppliers for these but NOBODY will sell you these unless you can demonstrate that you're involved in a legitimate part of the chemical industry. These substances are hazardous and would have to be shipped in special trucks and could NOT be delivered to a residential address. If you work in the chemical industry and have the ability to make purchases, then you could probably order them and get your hands on them. If not, then you'd have to know someone with access to them and would have to steal them.
I believe that a competent third-year undergraduate student would be sufficiently knowledgeable to be able to figure out how to synthesize LSD reliably. I also believe that a chemist could easily show a teenager how to carry out an LSD synthesis in a matter of hours (the synthesis itself takes over 24 hours but the involved could easily be demonstrated to a non-chemist - it really is just mix and stir). So, who makes LSD? A lot of people, including non-chemists, could make LSD. The hardest part would be getting a hold of diethylamine and hydrazine.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Plasmid]
#9454409 - 12/18/08 05:04 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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johnm214 said: You can read, you can follow instruction, then you can make LSD.
Agreed, LSD from raw ergot alkaloids is a three step process. It's not at all difficult. The reactions involved are as simple as "dissolve ergot alkaloids in nonpolar solvent and reflux for 24 hours under a condenser with addition of hydrazine." There's nothing difficult about the process.
Treemoss, I don't see why you're so focused on the "Chromo machine" which I think means "chromatography column." A chromatography column full of alumina is hardly going to be difficult to get a hold of.
If starting from raw ergot alkaloids, you need a few solvents plus diethylamine and hydrazine. These are the hard reagents to get. Sure, you can find tons of suppliers for these but NOBODY will sell you these unless you can demonstrate that you're involved in a legitimate part of the chemical industry. These substances are hazardous and would have to be shipped in special trucks and could NOT be delivered to a residential address. If you work in the chemical industry and have the ability to make purchases, then you could probably order them and get your hands on them. If not, then you'd have to know someone with access to them and would have to steal them.
I believe that a competent third-year undergraduate student would be sufficiently knowledgeable to be able to figure out how to synthesize LSD reliably. I also believe that a chemist could easily show a teenager how to carry out an LSD synthesis in a matter of hours (the synthesis itself takes over 24 hours but the involved could easily be demonstrated to a non-chemist - it really is just mix and stir). So, who makes LSD? A lot of people, including non-chemists, could make LSD. The hardest part would be getting a hold of diethylamine and hydrazine.
Ya know, I saw the columns and I thought that was the old fashioned way of doing it.....would that be a good thing with something like 7-hydroxy Mitragynine? I haven't researched the columns to understand how easy or hard it may be. Seems like a lot of french to me, but yet pretty simple.......kinda doesn't make sense why molecules take different times to travel through when it's gravity and a little reading hasn't cleared that up yet.
Well, someone could synth the diethylamine and the hydrazine, if they don't mind more work.......but face it, if it's not easy to obtain; it's probably less of an investment.
Those aren't very safe chemicals either, even ether is hard to get hold of (but not illegal and can be shipped to a private residence) and synthesizing it isn't that safe but it can be with a very nice distilling unit were temperature is controlled (any nice glass unit).
Plasmid, what are the differences in qualities of the different distiller heads?
You'd think there would be more of a market for precursors, people making just those would have a nice little business. Hell, the Mafia makes more from rackets to want to deal with small change like that.
They make huge sums from racketeering.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: TreeMoss]
#9454667 - 12/18/08 07:20 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ether cannot be shipped to residential addresses in most jurisdictions. It is also considered a dangerous good. Where I live, it has to be shipped in specially marked trucks just like diethylamine or hydrazine.
Hydrazine and diethylamine are not that dangerous, nor are they particularly difficult to get a hold of. They're probably as hard to get a hold of as ether would be. You have to be able to demonstrate that you're in the chemical industry and they are generally subject to special shipping regulations.
It's not particularly uncommon for undergraduates to use diethylamine and diethyl ether in second year introductory organic chemistry classes.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I get the sense that you're just dropping the few facts that you know here and there to make it seem like you know something. You don't understand a chromatography column, so who the fuck cares what you think about whether or not hydrazine and diethylamine are hard to obtain or could be synthesized. Many of your posts have serious flaws in them and I wish you'd just shut up about chemistry already.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Plasmid]
#9454732 - 12/18/08 07:33 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey Chemikers, I was wondering where you disappeared to.
Welcome back.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Plasmid]
#9454983 - 12/18/08 08:53 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the but I think you will realize why I can't send you a reply.
Maybe you can fix that? I dunno.
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This topic makes me want to 'grow' my own LSD.
jk... I haven't even been able to extract DMT from a rootbark...(not yet)
but if somebody is making LSD and needs a beta-tester, here I am!
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Plasmid]
#9455162 - 12/18/08 09:46 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Plasmid said: Ether cannot be shipped to residential addresses in most jurisdictions. It is also considered a dangerous good. Where I live, it has to be shipped in specially marked trucks just like diethylamine or hydrazine.
Hydrazine and diethylamine are not that dangerous, nor are they particularly difficult to get a hold of. They're probably as hard to get a hold of as ether would be. You have to be able to demonstrate that you're in the chemical industry and they are generally subject to special shipping regulations.
It's not particularly uncommon for undergraduates to use diethylamine and diethyl ether in second year introductory organic chemistry classes.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I get the sense that you're just dropping the few facts that you know here and there to make it seem like you know something. You don't understand a chromatography column, so who the fuck cares what you think about whether or not hydrazine and diethylamine are hard to obtain or could be synthesized. Many of your posts have serious flaws in them and I wish you'd just shut up about chemistry already.
And I wish you'd just knock on my door already. Maybe you wish I didn't say anything at all and I'm not going to do that just to please you..........I'm here to learn, not to be a superior ass muncher like you feeding on your own ego.
WTF do you do all day anyway? Your in school, don't work, or have a job that is at a computer all day.......perhaps you just sell drugs.
I know a website that will ship ether to a residential address, with a letter of intent and a shipping company just has to be certified to carry hazardous chemicals.......even ammonia, sulfuric acid (no matter how diluted) and oxidizers.
You really think that it's only people that work in a university or have a company that use chemistry, think again. There are hobby chemist, the world at one time never thought anything of people ordering chemicals to their house and learning (at the time after WWII, everyone had a business venture or at least tinkered around with the idea.
I don't think it is any wiser to steal or do unauthorized projects with school chemicals, not that it is hard to mess with the books; but the Prof in charge of that department has a huge responsibility.
I have a College (a really good small liberal arts college) and a relative who is getting close to having their PhD in Chemistry and I don't think anyone is going to want to take chemicals.......maybe a little bit but that's not a stable source.
And ya people give a shit about synthesizing precursors, not everyone is a stupid Prof like you who hasn't had to answer to a direct DEA inquiry.........which they would if things start sliding off of shelf's and somebody notices. Yes, a school would want to keep it quite; but not when their ass is on the line.
If your really as smart as you do seem, just fuck off and don't read my replies/posts, go jerk off to some math.
And since you haven't realized, people often write what they thought first......then people can help them from there.....or be an asshole such as yourself!
I sure hope you don't think you are going to stay with a school very long if you are going to be breaking the law.
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Jeebies said: 1,000-10,000mcg doses were not uncommon. Especially in CIA circles.
What is your source for this info? The human brain would be saturated at the 5HT areas after 500 ug. No one would intentionally prepare doses in excess of 1000 ug knowing it would just be wasted.
I'm sorry but if you think there is no difference in terms of effect between a 500ug experience and a thumbprint you truely are EXTREMELY misinformed.
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Tolerance has a factor to play in the availability of 5-ht receptors but the saturation dose for the average human would be well beyond 500 ug's.
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This page is getting bookmarked as I fully intend on reading through it when I get the chance!
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