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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Set]
    #9441009 - 12/15/08 11:55 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Anyone with a solid laboratory background in organic chemistry should be able to make it with the right glassware, ingredients, time and location.  The trick is not to massively dose yourself while you're cooking.




Haha yeah even people laying sheets trip hard just from the laying process.


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9441501 - 12/16/08 01:31 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Can't believe I just read this whole thread.

I've already decided that I'm always going to be a consumer. I could probably find and purchase a life supply of good acid much easier than synthing it just once. And that's saying a lot since I haven't once ever found a single hit :frown:


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Ophanim]
    #9441848 - 12/16/08 03:18 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, I read the whole thing as well. What a great read :-) .

Ophanim: Come on over here, and I'll dose you... :smile:


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: azuresense]
    #9443071 - 12/16/08 11:05 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Chemists make lsd





Someone laughed at that, but really it says it all. I happen to be a chemistry major, specializing in organic after a few more courses are finished up and the point is, are any of the people on here who say it's "easy to make" and the "ingredients" and equipment are "easy to find" really making LSD? No. It's the same as talking a whole bunch of jabber about making a jet engine, sure it's easy if you "study study study" but newsflash guys...it's called getting a degree in the field.

Ergot is not easy to cultivate. And you need basic chemistry know-how to even understand why the synthesis works, or else you're really stepping on hot coals. Just like the meth-heads who think it's a quick cook-up in their bathtub. And then a beaker overheats and they blow to smitherines...but be my guest in "reading up just a bit" and trying to make the shit...





This person said nothing at all.

Why do you need to cultivate ergot?  You don't.

Why do you need to know how the synthesis works?  You don't.

A beaker overheats and blows to smitherenes?


I'm guessing this specialiing in organic after a few more courses means this person took or is taking gen chem and thinks they've got this superior knowledge now.  Sounds like Dunning-Kruger going on in here.


First, synthing LSD does not imply the creation of the precursors. 

Second, if I was making it I'd just extract ergotamine from pharmaceutical tablets rather than worry about cultures and shit.

Third, given that you've not stated what is hard about mixing shit together, heating it, and pouring it off, I'm guessing you don't know why its hard to make LSD and just want to have an opinion.


You can read, you can follow instruction, then you can make LSD.


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: johnm214]
    #9443157 - 12/16/08 11:25 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

dude john i like the kop busters story you have linked


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Culpepers]
    #9444276 - 12/16/08 03:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah, I read the whole thing as well. What a great read :-) .

Ophanim: Come on over here, and I'll dose you... :smile:


The empty place is such a tricky one to find. I always end up in a noisy one.


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: johnm214]
    #9447760 - 12/17/08 12:07 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Chemists make lsd





Someone laughed at that, but really it says it all. I happen to be a chemistry major, specializing in organic after a few more courses are finished up and the point is, are any of the people on here who say it's "easy to make" and the "ingredients" and equipment are "easy to find" really making LSD? No. It's the same as talking a whole bunch of jabber about making a jet engine, sure it's easy if you "study study study" but newsflash guys...it's called getting a degree in the field.

Ergot is not easy to cultivate. And you need basic chemistry know-how to even understand why the synthesis works, or else you're really stepping on hot coals. Just like the meth-heads who think it's a quick cook-up in their bathtub. And then a beaker overheats and they blow to smitherines...but be my guest in "reading up just a bit" and trying to make the shit...





This person said nothing at all.

Why do you need to cultivate ergot?  You don't.

Why do you need to know how the synthesis works?  You don't.

A beaker overheats and blows to smitherenes?


I'm guessing this specialiing in organic after a few more courses means this person took or is taking gen chem and thinks they've got this superior knowledge now.  Sounds like Dunning-Kruger going on in here.


First, synthing LSD does not imply the creation of the precursors. 

Second, if I was making it I'd just extract ergotamine from pharmaceutical tablets rather than worry about cultures and shit.

Third, given that you've not stated what is hard about mixing shit together, heating it, and pouring it off, I'm guessing you don't know why its hard to make LSD and just want to have an opinion.


You can read, you can follow instruction, then you can make LSD.




Ya, be calm and know your temperature and what not to exceed!  It is nice to know what is going on and just what transition is occurring, I wouldn't want to try anything without being able to constantly visualize the process and find answers to any question that pops into me head.

Growing the Ergot Culture is the easiest, finding the ergot could/might be as hard as going through with the synthesis.  I haven't even begun to search for ergot to identify, surprised nobody has some in the freezer anywhere that is a known form of ergot.

Edit: that link is stupid......they should of had the cops looking all dumb (they are usually so happy to find something illegal and be totally smart asses).  Like "what's this, some marijuana"; we know what it is.


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: johnm214]
    #9454150 - 12/18/08 02:13 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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You can read, you can follow instruction, then you can make LSD.




Agreed, LSD from raw ergot alkaloids is a three step process.  It's not at all difficult.  The reactions involved are as simple as "dissolve ergot alkaloids in nonpolar solvent and reflux for 24 hours under a condenser with addition of hydrazine."  There's nothing difficult about the process.

Treemoss, I don't see why you're so focused on the "Chromo machine" which I think means "chromatography column."  A chromatography column full of alumina is hardly going to be difficult to get a hold of.

If starting from raw ergot alkaloids, you need a few solvents plus diethylamine and hydrazine.  These are the hard reagents to get.  Sure, you can find tons of suppliers for these but NOBODY will sell you these unless you can demonstrate that you're involved in a legitimate part of the chemical industry.  These substances are hazardous and would have to be shipped in special trucks and could NOT be delivered to a residential address.  If you work in the chemical industry and have the ability to make purchases, then you could probably order them and get your hands on them.  If not, then you'd have to know someone with access to them and would have to steal them.

I believe that a competent third-year undergraduate student would be sufficiently knowledgeable to be able to figure out how to synthesize LSD reliably.  I also believe that a chemist could easily show a teenager how to carry out an LSD synthesis in a matter of hours (the synthesis itself takes over 24 hours but the involved could easily be demonstrated to a non-chemist - it really is just mix and stir).  So, who makes LSD?  A lot of people, including non-chemists, could make LSD.  The hardest part would be getting a hold of diethylamine and hydrazine.


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Plasmid]
    #9454409 - 12/18/08 05:04 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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You can read, you can follow instruction, then you can make LSD.




Agreed, LSD from raw ergot alkaloids is a three step process.  It's not at all difficult.  The reactions involved are as simple as "dissolve ergot alkaloids in nonpolar solvent and reflux for 24 hours under a condenser with addition of hydrazine."  There's nothing difficult about the process.

Treemoss, I don't see why you're so focused on the "Chromo machine" which I think means "chromatography column."  A chromatography column full of alumina is hardly going to be difficult to get a hold of.

If starting from raw ergot alkaloids, you need a few solvents plus diethylamine and hydrazine.  These are the hard reagents to get.  Sure, you can find tons of suppliers for these but NOBODY will sell you these unless you can demonstrate that you're involved in a legitimate part of the chemical industry.  These substances are hazardous and would have to be shipped in special trucks and could NOT be delivered to a residential address.  If you work in the chemical industry and have the ability to make purchases, then you could probably order them and get your hands on them.  If not, then you'd have to know someone with access to them and would have to steal them.

I believe that a competent third-year undergraduate student would be sufficiently knowledgeable to be able to figure out how to synthesize LSD reliably.  I also believe that a chemist could easily show a teenager how to carry out an LSD synthesis in a matter of hours (the synthesis itself takes over 24 hours but the involved could easily be demonstrated to a non-chemist - it really is just mix and stir).  So, who makes LSD?  A lot of people, including non-chemists, could make LSD.  The hardest part would be getting a hold of diethylamine and hydrazine.




Ya know, I saw the columns and I thought that was the old fashioned way of doing it.....would that be a good thing with something like 7-hydroxy Mitragynine?  I haven't researched the columns to understand how easy or hard it may be.  Seems like a lot of french to me, but yet pretty simple.......kinda doesn't make sense why molecules take different times to travel through when it's gravity and a little reading hasn't cleared that up yet.

Well, someone could synth the diethylamine and the hydrazine, if they don't mind more work.......but face it, if it's not easy to obtain; it's probably less of an investment.

Those aren't very safe chemicals either, even ether is hard to get hold of (but not illegal and can be shipped to a private residence) and synthesizing it isn't that safe but it can be with a very nice distilling unit were temperature is controlled (any nice glass unit).

Plasmid, what are the differences in qualities of the different distiller heads?

You'd think there would be more of a market for precursors, people making just those would have a nice little business.  Hell, the Mafia makes more from rackets to want to deal with small change like that.

They make huge sums from racketeering.


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9454667 - 12/18/08 07:20 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Ether cannot be shipped to residential addresses in most jurisdictions.  It is also considered a dangerous good.  Where I live, it has to be shipped in specially marked trucks just like diethylamine or hydrazine.

Hydrazine and diethylamine are not that dangerous, nor are they particularly difficult to get a hold of.  They're probably as hard to get a hold of as ether would be.  You have to be able to demonstrate that you're in the chemical industry and they are generally subject to special shipping regulations.

It's not particularly uncommon for undergraduates to use diethylamine and diethyl ether in second year introductory organic chemistry classes.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.  I get the sense that you're just dropping the few facts that you know here and there to make it seem like you know something.  You don't understand a chromatography column, so who the fuck cares what you think about whether or not hydrazine and diethylamine are hard to obtain or could be synthesized.  Many of your posts have serious flaws in them and I wish you'd just shut up about chemistry already.


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Plasmid]
    #9454732 - 12/18/08 07:33 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Hey Chemikers, I was wondering where you disappeared to.

Welcome back.


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Plasmid]
    #9454983 - 12/18/08 08:53 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the :pm: but I think you will realize why I can't send you a reply.

Maybe you can fix that? I dunno.


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #9455008 - 12/18/08 09:00 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

This topic makes me want to 'grow' my own LSD. :loveeyes:

jk... I haven't even been able to extract DMT from a rootbark...(not yet) :lol:

but if somebody is making LSD and needs a beta-tester, here I am! :tripping:


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Plasmid]
    #9455162 - 12/18/08 09:46 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Ether cannot be shipped to residential addresses in most jurisdictions.  It is also considered a dangerous good.  Where I live, it has to be shipped in specially marked trucks just like diethylamine or hydrazine.

Hydrazine and diethylamine are not that dangerous, nor are they particularly difficult to get a hold of.  They're probably as hard to get a hold of as ether would be.  You have to be able to demonstrate that you're in the chemical industry and they are generally subject to special shipping regulations.

It's not particularly uncommon for undergraduates to use diethylamine and diethyl ether in second year introductory organic chemistry classes.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.  I get the sense that you're just dropping the few facts that you know here and there to make it seem like you know something.  You don't understand a chromatography column, so who the fuck cares what you think about whether or not hydrazine and diethylamine are hard to obtain or could be synthesized.  Many of your posts have serious flaws in them and I wish you'd just shut up about chemistry already.




And I wish you'd just knock on my door already.  Maybe you wish I didn't say anything at all and I'm not going to do that just to please you..........I'm here to learn, not to be a superior ass muncher like you feeding on your own ego.

WTF do you do all day anyway?  Your in school, don't work, or have a job that is at a computer all day.......perhaps you just sell drugs.

I know a website that will ship ether to a residential address, with a letter of intent and a shipping company just has to be certified to carry hazardous chemicals.......even ammonia, sulfuric acid (no matter how diluted) and oxidizers.

You really think that it's only people that work in a university or have a company that use chemistry, think again.  There are hobby chemist, the world at one time never thought anything of people ordering chemicals to their house and learning (at the time after WWII, everyone had a business venture or at least tinkered around with the idea.

I don't think it is any wiser to steal or do unauthorized projects with school chemicals, not that it is hard to mess with the books; but the Prof in charge of that department has a huge responsibility.

I have a College (a really good small liberal arts college) and a relative who is getting close to having their PhD in Chemistry and I don't think anyone is going to want to take chemicals.......maybe a little bit but that's not a stable source.

And ya people give a shit about synthesizing precursors, not everyone is a stupid Prof like you who hasn't had to answer to a direct DEA inquiry.........which they would if things start sliding off of shelf's and somebody notices.  Yes, a school would want to keep it quite; but not when their ass is on the line.

If your really as smart as you do seem, just fuck off and don't read my replies/posts, go jerk off to some math.

And since you haven't realized, people often write what they thought first......then people can help them from there.....or be an asshole such as yourself!

I sure hope you don't think you are going to stay with a school very long if you are going to be breaking the law.


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #19278130 - 12/15/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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1,000-10,000mcg doses were not uncommon. Especially in CIA circles.




What is your source for this info?
The human brain would be saturated at the 5HT areas after 500 ug.
No one would intentionally prepare doses in excess of 1000 ug knowing it would just be wasted.



I'm sorry but if you think there is no difference in terms of effect between a 500ug experience and a thumbprint you truely are EXTREMELY misinformed.


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Webster10]
    #19278331 - 12/15/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This thread is over 5 years old


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: allseeingike]
    #19279920 - 12/15/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Tolerance has a factor to play in the availability of 5-ht receptors but the saturation dose for the average human would be well beyond 500 ug's.


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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #19350066 - 12/31/13 07:26 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

This page is getting bookmarked as I fully intend on reading through it when I get the chance!


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