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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: leery11]
#7650356 - 11/18/07 09:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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did you recently take some of the stuff GOD created?
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dirtworshipper said: Do the people who make the LSD partake in the... taking of it? I mean.. I could easily see someone becoming high as a kite in outer space while synthesizing it.
They wear protective clothing (gloves, facemask, etc.) and the process is run through a closed system so that chemicals cannot evaporate into the air.
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I wonder what the ratio is of chemists who have gone through school and have legitimate reasons for the labware and chemicals, opposed to those who have learned from others who know the synthesis like the back of their eyelids.
It's not hard to get the necessary equipment - none of it is designed specifically for the creation of LSD. The stuff is expensive however, so I would definitely save my pennies to buy it.
The chemicals are the tricky part. Many of these you would have to make yourself since the sale of such are monitored by authorities. You would definitely have to grow the ergot yourself, but that's not difficult since you can obtain rye anywhere.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/20358/How-to-make-LSD
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Jeebies]
#7650504 - 11/18/07 10:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jeebies said: 1,000-10,000mcg doses were not uncommon. Especially in CIA circles.
What is your source for this info? The human brain would be saturated at the 5HT areas after 500 ug. No one would intentionally prepare doses in excess of 1000 ug knowing it would just be wasted.
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So taking more than 5 average hits is a waste?
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tyler_0_durden said: LSD would be a lot more abundant in the U.S. if it weren't for the DEA seizing about two billion hits of acid in South Dakota some years ago..
... that and people like Timothy Leary going around telling everyone to start using it ...
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However, acid's still just as strong as it was in the 60's, if you know the right people you can get it for $20 or less and it'll take control of you for 16 hours.
One of the reasons why it's pretty much confined to California these days. We want the feds to keep their noses out of our business.
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As for the people who make it...anyone who's witty enough and knows their shit. LSD is quite complicated to make, there's documents of how-to's online and you really need to know your chemistry shit (college-level) in order to synthesize it yourself. Plus, you need access to lots of chemistry equipment, you can't do it in your garage or anything...you need a lab.
However, you can get the necessary parts and pieces and set up your own lab in your garage.
For some specialized pieces of glassware, you could go to glass blowers, such as those found at county fairs, and pay them to make those particular items.
Many of the chemicals could be obtained from university labs. Just need to ask your contacts (current chem students) who have access to them to obtain small amounts for you.
I'll be honest with you: You're not going to get this procedure right the first time - no one does. You have to practice the steps over and over and over again, understanding what's going on in each step, and discovering why something didn't work the way it was supposed to. During the course of improvement, you will develop your own method of production which works better for you than the original outline.
A lot of us get sloppy in the process and try to take shortcuts, which leads to poor quality product. It's so important that you not do this, and take the tedious route all the way through regardless of how boring it seems.
... I think I've said too much already ....
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dutchmushroom said: lsd is a special substance bro, it should not be controlled by the drug maffia, who controle speed and coke/crack,
if you read lsd related books suck as acid dreams and lsd my problem child by hoffman, then you would know that it takes a special kinda people to make acid and that it shouldint be made by money hungery fucks like the drug maffia
peace out Dm
We do not want organized groups to get invoved in production of our product. We don't need negative publicity associated with anything we do. Our goal is to get the product legallized, and to help achive this, keeping the overall view of the drug as "safe and responsible" is the way to go. Having mobs and such get invoved is definetly not the way to go.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Quake3]
#7650606 - 11/18/07 11:27 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quake3 said: Money hungry drug gangs will make whatever is in demand. The truth is that LSD isn't. If it was, it'd be as readily available as weed. If Quaaludes or 2C-T-7 were in demand, we'd see those around too.
So you're right in a way. The fact that it is not in demand screens out the money hungry group, so LSD is made by people who are passionate about the drug. It's important to keep in mind that this is just because the drug is not in demand, and not because ONLY special people can make it.
The main reason that LSD is not in demand is that it has always been a cult drug. It's not for everyone - a concept defied by the late Timothy Leary, who incidentally was partly responsible (albeit indirectly) for those infamous DEA raids.
We want to keep LSD as a cult drug - to be enjoyed only by those of us who understand it's purpose and see the importance of keeping it away from irresponsible people (gangs) and children.
We never once thought of making the stuff to earn big profits, as is done with drugs like cocaine and heroin. For those of us who make it, we only want to earn enough money back for our trouble and to cover the cost of resources used.
We have specific reasons for creating this fine product, and I assure you - making profit is not one of them. We want to keep it this way.
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pssst.. Timothy Leary worked for the CIA
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: EllisDSox]
#7650707 - 11/18/07 11:59 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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EllisDSox said: Why does everyone think the precursors are impossible to find? Ergot is relatively simple to grow, and diethylamine isn't too hard to find at all. If you have the skills and a little determination you can do it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethylamine
Rye is available just about anywhere (for growing ergot), and diethylamine comes from ethanol (vodka) and ammonia - both of which are readily available.
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: g00ru]
#7650781 - 11/18/07 12:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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guruu said: In MOST cases you really do need some sort of chemistry education to make LSD, otherwise you don't really know what you're doing and bad things can happen. Whether this is college or self-taught you really shouldn't just jump in and try and make acid just based on the tikhal instructions (even if they are accurate), people have gotten hospitalized that way.
When I was in college taking chemistry, a few friends with myself started to make various chemicals which weren't exactly allowed in the labs. One of the items we made was nitroglycerin. We just had to try that because we knew it wasn't something everyone was doing. Had we not known about various checical reactions and disregarded safety precautions, we would have blown our faces away.
I can't tell you the number of times I have (inadvertantly) made numerous toxic chemicals that could have killed me many times over. We would see funky yellow steam come from our flasks and wonder what that was. We would read various books to find out what we had made, and then would find that it was a combination of sulfates and cyanide gases. Needless to say, inhaling any kind of gas with cynanide ions would not be a wise thing to do.
Since that experience, we decided that the wise thing to do was conduct our experiments in closed systems so that none of our toxic buddies would escape into the air.
Who knew it was going to be that dangerous?
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I've been looking around alot at the syth. methods of people and just variouse teks that aren't legit just to absorb what I can. I read festers book several times. Petroleum Either/Naphtha, Chloroform, Ammonia, Methanol, Sulfuric Acid, KOH, Ether, hexane, sodium nitrate are not as hard to find as say.. Tartric Acid, Magnesium Sulfate, anhydrous hydrazine, acetylacetone, Diethylamine, ethylene dichloride.
I also read that you can turn Lysergic Acid Hydrazide into LSD by adding Sodium Nitrate and then reacting with diethylamine. I would love to hypatheticaly synth this product and share with everyone I can! I feel very fustrated when people discourage others from trying becuase they themselves feel that it's out of their reach. I say, tough for you, let the eager sponge up needed knowledge.
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Diethylamine isnt that in Bacardi 151?
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: haymaker]
#7651209 - 11/18/07 02:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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haymaker said: Diethylamine isnt that in Bacardi 151?
You're kidding right? Bacardi 151 is 75% ethanol and the other 25% is coloring and flavorings that make up the rum.
If there were any diethylamine in it, it would be very minute and pretty much non-detectable.
However, if you were to add ammonia to it, it would react with the ethanol and produce diethylamine. Just don't drink it after that!
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: haymaker]
#7651211 - 11/18/07 02:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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didn't bother to read all the post, but here in Houston area, There is lots of talk about acid coming from Austin. And from Galveston too. Reason i've been told is because it comes in from out the country into galveston bay.. And other theory is that colledge students may be trying to make it at the university in austin. But i don't know. Just know lots of acid in these two cities in Texas
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Ogla]
#7651248 - 11/18/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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NEVER seen acid in VT.. I've never had the chance to try it.. Makes me want to make it. Anyone see the same? I wish that I could find a connect for like a 10 strip. or somthing. Hell I'd get a sheet of it at once so I could try it and then if I liked it, I would keep it and use it to it's full extent . If I didnt, I'd spread the love around me to people that I know do like it. I could introduce someone to it maybe they will in turn, help spread the love becuase of me. REally wish I had that chance. Thats why I do it with mushrooms. If I had access to a small house in the country side, I'd turn that into a lab and I would save up for the chems. and research for legit substitutes for some of the harder to access chemicles and then go covert ops and cultivate a crappy feild of rye to obtaine the neccasary culture to spray on my rye feild and then I will plant a rye feild in the same exact spot and keep it soggy to a point so it generates alot of natural ergot and then I'll spray down the feild 5 times aday! From there, it's a good month's journey or so and then I can find a way to finance some things to make the inside a house again and hide my lab equipment and then sell the house and get away with the goods.. hypothetically of course.. But really.. wish I had a connect for a sheet right now.. My freinds and me have planned for getting one for a while and I want it to happen..
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hightimesreader said: But really.. wish I had a connect for a sheet right now.. My freinds and me have planned for getting one for a while and I want it to happen..
HTR
Why not plan a trip out here to California? You will have no trouble getting it if you just ask around once you are here.
One thing we've been good at doing is keeping the 60's alive.
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As a kid who knew next to nothing about chemistry, but climbed the echelons of knowledge until able to safely synthesize various useful compounds, I can assure all of you that much is possible without ever setting foot in a university.
Admittedly, I've never looked into LSD manufacture, but it stands to reason that:
-Almost unfailingly, any precursor can be obtained from over-the-counter sources, by careful ordering of chemicals, or something a little more cloak-and-dagger and extracting/refining/synthesizing until we get what we want.
-There are almost always cheaper ways to create apparatus from easily found materials (besides which, last I checked, glassware isn't regulated).
I believe the main challenge would be, as someone else mentioned, working out a process with a good yield. Obviously the conditions would need to be carefully regulated to obtain useful amounts of product.
Good luck to all the backyard chemists of the world!
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Oh, and by the way, someone mentioned that people should stay away from chemistry because it's dangerous (and icky ). This is nonsense. Even explosives can be safely created if the individual learns a few general lab-safety rules.
Hint: Do like 'ya oughta, add acid to water.
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andyistic said: One thing we've been good at doing is keeping the 60's alive.
I think that 2010-2019 will be a very strange decade.
So instead of keeping the 60'S alive, why not construct a steady 2010's?
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Re: Who Makes LSD? [Re: Quake3]
#7651984 - 11/18/07 06:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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water into wine? how bout water into good L...? alchemy..
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dirtworshipper said: I've wondered similar things before.. But more along the lines of...
Do the people who make the LSD partake in the... taking of it?
A good chef always tastes his own recipe before he serves it up. I think the chemists who make lsd probably have a tolerance to it because they're probably around it all the time. Hell, Hoffman himself tripped just by getting a tiny amount of it on his skin so I can see whoever is making it getting exposed all the time; since even invisible amounts have an effect... kind of like radiation exposure, even with th hazmat suit you're still getting rems.
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