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Re: Three jailed following ecstasy death [Re: jeetered]
#7633167 - 11/13/07 10:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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new2grow said: NO, what a fucking idiot dealer for not warning his customers on the strength and dangers of his merchandise.
no...
what an idiot for tossing five pills back.
no fucking reason to take that much XTC.
Regardless of potency.
Besides, there is not telling what quality and amount of MDMA was in that pill, or what it was mixed with.
My guess is an H based tab, or a Meth based tab, and five of them to boot.
that's stupid, taking 5 of anythin.g
It's very unlikely there was any heroin in that pill. Your chances of seeing PMA in a pill are more likely than heroin. Heroin is extremely expensive compared to MDMA, shitty to press with, looks completely different, and causes effects opposite of that of MDMA(in the case of euphoria). The most important thing is how expensive it would be to press pills with heroin and the stomach discomfort that can come with it. Chances of heroin are zero to none.
More likely the pills had a lot of methampetamine, but in most cases people pop two or three pills with methamphetamine and they are fine. Chances are he had some sort of past cardiac or neurological condition in which very large doses of MDMA triggered said condition and killed him. You can pretty much rule out PMA or any other adulterate because two other people took the pills with no negative side effects. That or him being at a club, maybe consuming alcohol, dancing, or not consuming any water, PLUS 400mg+ of MDMA just simply wore out his body and killed him. This is clearly an issue with the user and the drug, seeing how MDMA pills are extremely safe to consume and the number of deaths since being illegalized in 1986 is in the hundreds.
you are an idiot dear sir... if i do X, i search out the H based tabs, there are plenty of pressers that press H into their tabs, It's NOT the opposite affect either, apparently you've never done H, H alone is better euphoria then MDMA.
lol
and i don't know where you live, but H is fucking dirt cheap... the towel heads have us so overloaded with it, arabs basically give it away.
so ...
Just make sure you've read everyone else's response and check out the DEA's pill purity guide over the past 20 years you fucking noob. Actually do some research and put some thought into something before you make an ass hat of yourself again. The Euphoria from Herion is completely different that MDMA. Not only do they primarily focus on different chemicals and receptors, but if you ask anyone who has done their fair share of both you'll realize that Herion is much more of a "not care in the world" while MDMA is "loving everything". I've done my fair share of both and have got rid of Heroin in my life and pretty much all other opiates. Clearly you've never done heroin if you honestly think that your feeling herion in your ecstasy pills.
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fastfred said: > what a fucking idiot for tossing all 5 pills back.
No, not really. 5 pills is a legit dosage of X. Reguardless of weither the pills were MDMA, meth, or a mixture that dosage is nowhere near a lethal dosage.
The man obviously did not die from an overdose. To even be in any sort of danger he would have had to take more in the range of 20+ pills.
Taking a polydrug user who drinks and clubs and pinning it on any one substance is the real idiotic part of this story. In reality this man died from the combination of multiple drugs in his system and the general poor health of a polydrug user.
The LD50 of MDMA is around 100-300 mg/kg. The standard X dose is about 75-125mg. That's about a 60-70X margin of safety. That is to say that you aren't even approaching the LD50 until you take 50+ pills. Meth also has a pretty good safety margin.
5 X pills is really not that much, and it's certainly not enough to kill you. Especially for a regular X user.
You must also remember that the study is usually done with an IV or IM injection. Because of the mechanism of action one probably has a slightly higher tolerance. And most importantly rats metabolize drugs two times faster and less efficient than humans. If you up those doses by 20% (oral absorption) and multiply by 1.5 (to stay on the safe side) your LD50 in humans is 180mg/kg-540mg/kg. It's probably in the 250mg/kg range but we will probably never know for sure.
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Re: Three jailed following ecstasy death [Re: Wronguy]
#7788041 - 12/22/07 04:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know the girl (Cyd smith)because she had to leave Newmarket because of the incident and move to Bury. While the case was going on she got pregnant and was told she was unlikely to go to prison for the offense because of it. Although she has gone to prison she has got off lightly with this sentence and now because of having a baby her sentence has now been cut in half, and they call this justice!?! Before she got pregnant she was still doing Ecstasy, she learned nothing from her friend dying from doing them. Just goes to show she has no remorse for her actions.
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Re: Three jailed following ecstasy death [Re: Yoschie99]
#7809737 - 12/29/07 04:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mod edit: Giving dosing advice is against the rules of the Shroomery. Please don't do it again.
Edited by Diploid (12/30/07 02:45 AM)
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Re: Three jailed following ecstasy death [Re: fastfred]
#7812145 - 12/29/07 11:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Isn't it against the rules to post dosage advice? I guess not so I'm gonna go ahead and take two of these little pills that say OC 80 yum yum
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Re: Three jailed following ecstasy death [Re: fastfred]
#7812538 - 12/30/07 02:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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it is safe and generally a good idea to take two
Any dosing advice when you aren't 100% certain what's in the pills is pure guesswork, and suggesting that you should start the party by taking two unknown pills is absurd and technically against the rules here. 
Please don't offer dosing suggestions here again. It's nothing personal. It's just against the rules.
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Re: Three jailed following ecstasy death [Re: Diploid]
#7812681 - 12/30/07 05:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow...
I'm not giving dosing advice, I'm just stating common sence backed with some reasonable data on common usage and pill content.
Any drug that is prepared wherin it has such a low margin of safety that two dosage units will be dangerously unsafe would result in a lot of deaths all tied to the same pill. Obviously this doesn't happen very often if at all. Instead we read about rare deaths here and there where someone just happend to take a couple E's, but no real cause of death was determined.
Anyhow, not dosage advice, just an observation of reality as I see it.
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