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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: ThePoopTree]
    #26187640 - 09/14/19 08:45 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

You don’t see how you are using the people’s issues as bad attributes to cannabis? The cannabis was there long before the person decides to use it. If someone has issues in their life that lead to some sort of addiction I definitely don’t agree that it was at the fault of the substances.

Check out Hamilton Morris on Joe Rogans podcast. He really explains it well that our society does this often. Often curbing any benefits or  scientific research we may find by labeling something g as “bad”
It is what it is.
If some people have a problem with it then they shouldn’t use it. But don’t preach that substances CAUSE people to be a certain way.


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: SocalJosh]
    #26187680 - 09/14/19 09:12 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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If some people have a problem with it then they shouldn’t use it. But don’t preach that substances CAUSE people to be a certain way.




If that's what you took from my post, then I suggest reading it again, slowly and carefully.

Exacerbate != cause


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: ThePoopTree]
    #26187702 - 09/14/19 09:25 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Well it’s a fine line between “being prone” “exasperated” and “blame” “fault”
OPs original points and the conversation is about negative attributes of cannabis not people.
I do not believe correlation=causation which I thought you were getting at.

Addiction to those who know it is often times the fault of the person who is addicted and the way they are treated by those around them.

I don’t think people need to be “cautioned” about how pot makes you lazy. That was 1950s rhetoric. It makes you relaxed and in extreme cases tired lol but I don’t see how that is transferred to lazy. 
Possibly about pesticides, chemicals, carcinogens... I would fully support a intelligent conversations of the real dangers of buying cannabis in a capitalist market. That would require some caution lol.
But to make conjectures and arguments about substances and their negative attributes is just fishing for negativity here my friend.


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: SocalJosh]
    #26187706 - 09/14/19 09:28 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

In fact to go further there are many people who have found that cannabis use has helped them stop using certain other substances. Cannabis use led to a greater appreciation of life. Lifting of depression and just better all around state of being. Not to mention the legitimate studies done on epilepsy in children etc etc


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: SocalJosh] * 1
    #26187731 - 09/14/19 09:42 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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I don’t think people need to be “cautioned” about how pot makes you lazy. That was 1950s rhetoric. It makes you relaxed and in extreme cases tired lol but I don’t see how that is transferred to lazy. 




Correction, it makes you relaxed.  It makes some people anxious.  It makes some people paranoid.  It makes some people happy.  And yes, it makes some people lazy and unmotivated.

It seems like you're willing to say that pot can make you be anything..... except something negative.  That is not reality.

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But to make conjectures and arguments about substances and their negative attributes is just fishing for negativity here my friend.




If talking frankly about substances is fishing for negativity, then I must be boating in a sea of immaturity.  Thankfully, that hasn't been my experience here.


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: ThePoopTree]
    #26187764 - 09/14/19 10:02 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

The utmost objectivity would be to say that it is a plant and does not have positive or negative attributes.

Which was my original argument.
It’s the use not the plant.


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: SocalJosh]
    #26187936 - 09/14/19 11:53 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

It has different effects on different people, at different times in their lives. It's always up to the individual to sort out their own problems. Most won't, and will blame the drug/use it as a crutch. That's an even harsher, more detrimental reality than it temporarily amplifying your paranoia/anxiety, etc.

Thankfully, the herb has always leveled me out and allowed me to focus. More like a medicine than a recreational escape. Perception correction.


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
    #26188775 - 09/14/19 08:38 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Makes me very fatigued over time as sleep is not great/depleted and I don't enter REM sleep at all. Never full night's of rest or ever any dreaming.

Of course it enhances everything, so it usually enhances my anxiety and paranoia.

I have no use for weed, it literally does nothing for me but kill time I quit for 1.5 years and just recently came back to daily toking and am ready to quit again, I could be evolving my life rather than wasting time being high, it hinders most of my best qualities, reduces my social ability and enhances my own lazyness. Smoking it just enables my escapist qualities


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26189022 - 09/15/19 12:27 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Let me ask if you also indulge in drinking alcohol or smoking tobacco?
Any other drug use?


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: SocalJosh]
    #26189292 - 09/15/19 08:07 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

No sir, only been drunk a few times in my life in my late teens. Alcohol not for me, and I've actually never tried a cigarette, I've tried a vape with nic in it, no bueno. Have only used THC in the past 2 years, psychedelics here and there throughout that time maybe once or twice a year


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: SocalJosh]
    #26189412 - 09/15/19 09:51 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

SocalJosh said:
Yup just keep blaming your shortcomings on a plant.
You are who you are. A plant did not make you that way.
You made yourself that way.
You can also unfuck yourself by taking personal responsibility. Taking action. Working on bettering yourself.
And there is absolutely no reason while you can’t be high while doing that.
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I think you're moving to the opposite extreme and instead of blaming it all on the plant are blaming it all on the person.

I agree people are responsible for moderating their use, but lets not whitewash cannabis. It like most drugs is pleasurable, which in turn leads to habitual use which rightly or wrongly, can be difficult for many people to control. Add to that a plethora of negative side effects, and sooner or later there will be adverse consequences for anyone who fails to control themselves. But it is the effects of cannabis itself that are responsible for this.

As an example, Cannabis makes me lazy because it gets me stoned. Being stoned/high makes me feel tired. This leads to a lack of drive and motivation. I don't know why cannabis makes me feel tired, but it is not something I could just consciously choose to ignore by any force of will, but a physical side effect of the drug itself.

If a person stops cannabis and finds that their life has dramatically improved, then philosophy aside, the cannabis was to blame and they should stop using it.

I personally found cannabis to have a negative effect on my life and although I will always love it, I am so much better off without it. Thats as much a fault of myself, as it is the side effects that the drug produces...


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: wolf8312]
    #26189765 - 09/15/19 12:45 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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SocalJosh said:
Yup just keep blaming your shortcomings on a plant.
You are who you are. A plant did not make you that way.
You made yourself that way.
You can also unfuck yourself by taking personal responsibility. Taking action. Working on bettering yourself.
And there is absolutely no reason while you can’t be high while doing that.
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If a person stops cannabis and finds that their life has dramatically improved, then philosophy aside, the cannabis was to blame and they should stop using it.

I personally found cannabis to have a negative effect on my life and although I will always love it, I am so much better off without it. Thats as much a fault of myself, as it is the side effects that the drug produces...</font>




Same here 110%
Cannabis does nothing but ENHANCE my negative traits. It doesn't do anything good for me. Unless I use it very seldomly like once a month and pair it with intended meditation


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26189870 - 09/15/19 01:50 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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No sir, only been drunk a few times in my life in my late teens. Alcohol not for me, and I've actually never tried a cigarette, I've tried a vape with nic in it, no bueno. Have only used THC in the past 2 years, psychedelics here and there throughout that time maybe once or twice a year



I mean have you thought that possibly ANY substance use would maybe not be a good thing for you? Not just cannabis?

Everyone else:
I feel like if people have addictive personality, or possibly are more prone to substance abuse then it often times doesn’t matter what the substance is. Alcohol, weed, tobacco, etc only makes these things worse but not at the fault of the substance. It was the person with the issues. When you see people who have addiction issues or negative substance issues often times there are underlying issues leading to the addiction. These can stem back to childhood trauma, depression, etc
This is all published and talked about psychology in 2019?

There are plenty of people worldwide who can responsibly use just about every substance created.
Nowadays there is research into Ketamine, psilocybin, meth, opiates, cannabis, etc.
To say that these things are bad because YOU had a negative experiences takes away from all of the people it has helped. Which they have been MEDICINE for THOUSANDS of people and for THOUSANDS of YEARS.
And so my point remains that it was never the substance that is bad or good. It is merely your personal observation of it.
It only is what it is.


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: SocalJosh] * 1
    #26190011 - 09/15/19 02:57 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Good and bad are purely philosophical opinions anyhow. Not objective realities.

I think you're trying to defend a position with semantics rather than accepting that cannabis, like every substance, is more negative than positive for many people. There is no personal responsibility on those people that they experience negative effects from it, no psychological deficiency. It's just how it is.

Sure it may work just fine for you now. It did for me for a long time as well. But if the time comes that you are having effects from consuming it you will find that there's no amount of unfucking yourself that will make it good again. The only cure will be abstinence.


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: SocalJosh]
    #26190023 - 09/15/19 03:05 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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SocalJosh said:
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No sir, only been drunk a few times in my life in my late teens. Alcohol not for me, and I've actually never tried a cigarette, I've tried a vape with nic in it, no bueno. Have only used THC in the past 2 years, psychedelics here and there throughout that time maybe once or twice a year



I mean have you thought that possibly ANY substance use would maybe not be a good thing for you? Not just cannabis?






Yes, besides the occasional psychedelic (once a year or less) I've never been into other drugs and don't want to be.

I'm happy the first and only drug I ever became addicted to was Cannabis, the plant is totally awesome if used properly, but I Abused it rather than Used it. And the withdrawal effects are so harsh(but minor) compared to other drugs(I've never been addicted to anything else so I wouldn't know) but im glad cannabis showed me what dependency, addiction and withdrawals are first hand. Fuck going through the withdrawal process, it's horrible, I'm HAPPY to never get addicted to anything harsher.(Don't try to say cannabis withdrawals don't exist unless you smoke grams of oil a day, and are sleeping for 12 plus hours a day for over a year straight)

It turns into an easy escape mechanism, an easy place to run away to where everything seems ok.

Fuck that, weed makes me weak because I was using it for no other reason than to run, it's not the plant, it's your relationship with it.


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26190062 - 09/15/19 03:24 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

The worst thing about weed is not being able to smoke it anymore. Despite living in a legal state. There is still the fear of losing my job and being unable to provide for the fam


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: Phantom45]
    #26190080 - 09/15/19 03:32 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I was a daily smoker back when i could and quiting was hard but it was more of a headfuck then a true withdrawl where you are literally mentally and physically sick. Comeing off the pot is all in your head


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: Phantom45]
    #26190844 - 09/16/19 01:11 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

The worth thing about weed is people using it incorrectly


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: SFS96]
    #26190918 - 09/16/19 02:53 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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The worth thing about weed is people using it incorrectly




What's the correct way, out of curiosity?


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26190947 - 09/16/19 04:00 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Well, cannabis can be harming, mentally, for a lot of people in a lot of different ways. But yes, cannabis is generally the most harmless recreational drug one can take. I'm with you there.

Physically, I'm not convinced that smoking cannabis causes any of the same issues that smoking tobacco does, though I think we can all agree that, generally, inhaling smoke isn't good for you.

On the subject of edibles, I once had a health teacher in high school, after I insisted that cannabis was safe because you didn't have to smoke it, claim that edibles could cause stomach cancer. I'm not sure where he got this information from, and I assume it was a totally unfounded claim made with good intentions, in his own way.

I think, all in all, cannabis is relatively harmless. But we shouldn't confuse relatively harmless with actually harmless.


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