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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: futurefocused]
    #26204727 - 09/23/19 01:26 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

not to keep going on about your only "hitting greens" and emptying the rest, but why on earth would you pack more than you want to smoke? thats seriously wasteful friend. like if you only want a green hit, just pack one hit. bada-bing.

it sounds to me like you are exaggerating a bit. what kind of job did you hold while smoking a half ounce a day? and were you buying ounces at a time? pounds? whats the price? how could you afford rent if your buying that much weed? and how could you have a good job if you were roasted 24/7?


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26204734 - 09/23/19 01:33 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

The potency is not just cross breeding its selective breeding for the most potent plants and cloning the best phenotypes. Mushroom potency can be increased the same way by cloning the most potent. To say the cannot be increased by any other way than cross breeding is misinformation.


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: split_by_nine]
    #26204769 - 09/23/19 01:58 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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not to keep going on about your only "hitting greens" and emptying the rest, but why on earth would you pack more than you want to smoke? thats seriously wasteful friend. like if you only want a green hit, just pack one hit. bada-bing.

it sounds to me like you are exaggerating a bit. what kind of job did you hold while smoking a half ounce a day? and were you buying ounces at a time? pounds? whats the price? how could you afford rent if your buying that much weed? and how could you have a good job if you were roasted 24/7?




this is not AMA about my life so skip the personal questions, im just sharing my experiences. to elaborate on the waste aspect, i quit smoking blunts, went to joints, couldn't quit smoking for the life of me and then was gifted a volcano and actually after tripping mushrooms i was able to quit and now i just cook with it sparingly.

its not the same as i think your imagining when it comes to smoking greens out of a bong/pipe/chillum, you load a bowl and let it fill the bag to your preference level. some people keep making vape bags out of the same material i preferred taste so i would just half cups full of half spent herb that im sure some might still enjoy but i didn't so when i refer to greens i am talking about one bowl per bag not multiple bags per bowl if that makes sense.


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: split_by_nine]
    #26204791 - 09/23/19 02:11 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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thanks for the info T-rex! i was just about to ask futurefocused if he was alive in the 70s, smoking weed, to make that claim.




I don't have to be alive in the 70s to make that claim, according to t-rex words and the spirit of what I'm saying is the weed is the strongest it has ever been than in previous years due to cross breeding and genetic selection. The amount of THC is at all time highs with modern weed, and sure the DNA is the same (same weed) however cultivation and selecting the stronger genetics to clone and cross breed has allowed THC levels to go from <5% to >30% in a matter of decades. Sure the weed from yesteryear is most likely the same because that is such a short time span but when we are talking decades and centuries such as your claim that we know the long term effects of herb then its comparing two different weeds similar to two different child hoods that one doesn't exist anymore, I grew up without smart phones in school but kids born post-2010 will know nothing but smart phones in school. Yes everyone will still have a childhood but the childhoods wont be the same.


Andy LaFrate, president and director of research at Colorado potency testing lab Charas Scientific, reported at the American Chemical Society meeting this year that the amount of THC — the active ingredient in marijuana that's responsible for the high — has tripled in the last 30 years. In the 1980s, he said in a video at the meeting, marijuana THC levels were well below 10%, while the average today is about 20%. He's even measured up to 30% THC in some especially potent strains.

Other labs have found similar increases. A double-blind, placebo-controlled study in the journal Neuropsychopharmacology reported that THC content doubled from about 5% in 1990 to 10% in 2005, and that levels up to 40% have been found in hash oil. The authors, who tested the effects of different THC levels on 20 recreational marijuana users, attributed this rise to the growing popularity of indoor hydroponic growing techniques.

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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: futurefocused]
    #26204802 - 09/23/19 02:20 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

the only weed they had available for testing in 1970s was ditch weed and there were very few tests done, if any at all. to say that the weed today is way stronger is only saying that it is grown with better care and attention, but the thc cap is in the genes. you cannot make a plant stronger, but you can find the best method to grow the said plant so that it reaches its full potential


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26204819 - 09/23/19 02:27 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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The potency is not just cross breeding its selective breeding for the most potent plants and cloning the best phenotypes. Mushroom potency can be increased the same way by cloning the most potent. To say the cannot be increased by any other way than cross breeding is misinformation.




The DNA in the seed is the potency no matter what, period. It can not be increased in the seed before growing, period.



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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #26204829 - 09/23/19 02:32 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

It ok guys my cock is way bigger than all yours lol
Change my mind lol
I thought this site was for adults? 21+ I guess it’s for teenage kids to make uneducated arguments


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26204841 - 09/23/19 02:36 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: split_by_nine]
    #26204849 - 09/23/19 02:37 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

sure if you want to split hairs let me rephrase. the consumable product of today is way stronger than before. people weren't doing indoor hydroponic growing with dialed in nutes and tek. the point im making is that you cannot say we know the long term effects of herb because it has been in use for centuries is incorrect because the consumable product a century ago is different than the consumable product of today THC level wise and cultivation wise. there has been plenty of instances of growers using pesticides to beef up yields and the wow factor at the expense of consumer safety.

The nine grows mentioned in the documents aren't the only cultivation operations under scrutiny. As reported by 9News, a Denver growing operation for LivWell — a chain of dispensaries with nine locations in the state — had approximately 60,000 plants put on hold in April after health officials deemed LivWell's use of Eagle 20 could be unsafe for consumption.

Used to fight powdery mildew on plants, Eagle 20 has become a subject of debate among cannabis growers because of its unknown long-term effects. A 2012 study by Dow AgroSciences showed that Eagle 20 contained numerous chemicals that had caused cancer in lab animals, but whose effect on humans has not been documented.

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Look I could find more examples but the point I am trying to make is you can't trust things you don't grow yourself. Even weed at legal dispensaries are grown with questionable chemicals sometimes which the long-term effects aren't known yet and only time will tell. If your buying weed from a friend or your local "plug" its definitely not even tested and who knows how much pesticide/fertilizer could have been used to increase yield and secure the most almighty dollar per plant.


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: futurefocused]
    #26204856 - 09/23/19 02:41 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

pesticides, not weed, is the danger bub.


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: split_by_nine]
    #26204866 - 09/23/19 02:44 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

funny how they halt the production of 60k plants because pf potential health risks... and yet, there are booze and cigarettes sold on every corner in america.


i hardly think the weed was really a threat to consumer health given the fact that we can buy products that WILL give us cancer lol


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: split_by_nine]
    #26204868 - 09/23/19 02:46 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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pesticides, not weed, is the danger bub.



%100 these capitalist yuppies don’t care about growing organic. Only about the almighty dollar and fill your beloved cannabis with chemicals and pesticides. I have been the only one up until now to say one word about this thank you for having some sort of educated response.
These people still think the news tells them the truth apparently hahahahaha


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: split_by_nine]
    #26204903 - 09/23/19 03:01 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

yeah regulated industry standards on booze keeps moonshine from being on the shelfs that potentially could be blind or lethal. happens all the time in third world countries such as indonesia

cigarettes were the defacto sign of the social elite at one point and eventually was socially acceptable everywhere by the 1950s. no one knew the long term effects and eventually only when enough people had health problems and complained did something actually happen to protect consumers.

The government is not always for the people. Lobbyists from corporations with deep pockets will always find a way to legalize stuff for the sake of profit even if it is at the detriment to the consumer hence why these products are still sold on every corner in America.

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Cigarettes were originally sold as expensive handmade luxury goods for the urban elite. It was not until mass-production methods coupled with aggressive marketing that the industry began to see off traditional pipe-smoking and tobacco-chewing habits, particularly in the United States.

American tobacco firm Philip Morris was particular adept at marketing its cigarettes. It gave us the chiselled looking Marlboro Man who declared: "For man's flavour come to Marlboro Country."
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Other brands also sought to allay fears of smoking. Camel famously ran an advert saying : "More doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette." But, as early as 1951, pioneering work by UK scientist Sir Richard Doll made a link between lung cancer and smoking.

Still, for years, the tobacco industry appeared to be invincible. Then, in 1994, Diane Castano, whose husband died of lung cancer, sued the tobacco industry in the largest potential class action suit in history.

Soon efforts to protect non-smokers from being exposed to secondhand smoking were championed by politicians in California. This led to the 1995 ban on smoking in most enclosed places of employment. By 2005 less than a quarter of the US population smoked cigarettes, and that is now falling.

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Since weed is not federally regulated it is up to the states to determine when and what information is disclosed and ultimately/probably all that will happen will be a warning sticker will be placed on the side with whatever risks are known and will still be sold because USA is the home of capitalism and Americans world-wide are known as consumers.

Do whatever you want my motto has always been keep your laws off my body but I believe it is everyones duty to do their own homework because at the end of the day only you are the one going to live with the consequences.

With that being said, I still don't think you can claim we know all the long term effects of herb on the body or the brain. Just my opinions, ff out.


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: SocalJosh]
    #26204959 - 09/23/19 03:25 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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pesticides, not weed, is the danger bub.



%100 these capitalist yuppies don’t care about growing organic. Only about the almighty dollar and fill your beloved cannabis with chemicals and pesticides. I have been the only one up until now to say one word about this thank you for having some sort of educated response.
These people still think the news tells them the truth apparently hahahahaha




It is a danger most don't think about and your being short sighted if you only want to see one side of the coin. Whats your definition of organic vs the dictionary definition of organic vs the industry standard of what qualifies as organic legally. The reality of how it should be and  what exists most of the time are two different things.  Joshn, your acting like this is fake news and if you believe so great,I have a bridge to sell you next to a condo in the right corner of flat earth near some anti-vaxxers I'm sure you will get along great with.


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: SocalJosh]
    #26204965 - 09/23/19 03:27 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Good thread, good points, I was just pointing out a fact about the "increase in potency of cannabis". I really don't care to argue/discuss about long term effects. I am a light smoker personally and have quit for years at a time sometimes. If there was a study being done and I could sign up for it here in Denver I would gladly do so. I only claim what I posted about the increase in potency of cannabis as fact due to it being a true fact.


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26204990 - 09/23/19 03:45 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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Good thread, good points, I was just pointing out a fact about the "increase in potency of cannabis". I really don't care to argue/discuss about long term effects. I am a light smoker personally and have quit for years at a time sometimes. If there was a study being done and I could sign up for it here in Denver I would gladly do so. I only claim what I posted about the increase in potency of cannabis as fact due to it being a true fact.




Feel that 100%. I don't know if there are long term effects or not, I'm just arguing in defense that we don't know and won't know since the landscape of herb is changing forms from smoking leaf, to dabbing concentrate to vaping e-cigs. Is it the form we use to consume a problem, the only problem or neither? Only time will tell.


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: futurefocused]
    #26205010 - 09/23/19 03:59 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Oh yeah I agree. I had a person that was dabbing like it was smoking weed and developed a sever cough in a few months. When I said it's probably the dabbing they went left and said it wasn't blah blah blah. I told them to look inside the rig they were using and look at that shit in the inside of the bong/waterpipe, that is probably in your lungs. This dabbing of concentrates and such is not good I think. Compared to smoking a joint or 2 a week anyway.


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    #26205051 - 09/23/19 04:18 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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The weed from today is the same as the weed from yesteryear. The increase in potency is due to more strains being found in other parts of the world and cross breeding with other more potent strains. There is not a scientific way to increase the potency of a seed(s) (that I know of). The DNA is in the seed and can be maximized to produce it's full THC potential by perfect conditions, but THC can not be increased by any other means than cross breeding. Been smoking on and off since 1977. 1st time I was 6-7yo. it's a different story though...




Great post and you quelled a lot of my internal dialogue on this one; thank you for your knowledge!

I've always wondered the legitimacy of those claims, you know; "This ain't your parent's grass!", etc. The High Times pic of the best strains from the late 70's is hilarious though; it all looks like ditch weed. We have prettier weed now for sure.


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Holy SHIT this almost made me spit out my seltzer water.


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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26205067 - 09/23/19 04:30 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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The weed from today is the same as the weed from yesteryear. The increase in potency is due to more strains being found in other parts of the world and cross breeding with other more potent strains




So, not the same as yesteryear.

If a farmer crossbreeds two varieties of corn to make a higher yielding variety, he has by any definition improved the crop.  I don't think anyone would be arguing the semantics of it being "the same corn as yesteryear"

Honest to goodness the worst part about weed is just the culture surrounding it.  I say that as a daily user.

Anecdotally, the weed from the 90's/00's wasn't even as good as today's, and I smoked more pot back then than should be humanly possible.  If you time-warped a nug from a dispensary today to someone in the 90's, that pot would be practically worshiped.


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