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split_by_nine
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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: Tripsten]
#26203289 - 09/22/19 05:05 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tripsten said: I would say ignoring the fact that it does have harmful effects for many is the dangerous and moronic thing From the simples inability to look outside their own personal experience
harmful for many? lets see the data on this one, please.
if youre talking about having a panic attack, thats not exactly harmful as it is just uncomfortable.
but lets see this data on the many people harmed by cannabis. (im sure there are ER statistics on people coming in for weed because they are "too high" lol but that's not harmful to their health)
i can provide multiple examples of clinical trials of which conclude the numerous positive psychological and physiological effects of cannabis.
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Tripsten
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You sound like such a tool 😂 there are people who have negative effects fro me weed that go beyond “oh I’m too high” I never said there want any evidence that weed was good for many too Your just exactly the type of cringe lord I describe “uh no my plant is perfect there literally nothing wrong with it I need to spread misinformation”
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split_by_nine
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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: Tripsten]
#26203304 - 09/22/19 05:11 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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still waiting for the data..
if youre simply saying weed isnt for everyone, i agree. but i do not agree that it is harmful.
cool name calling, btw
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No it’s the fact that there is obviously data and help complications from certain methods administered ect ect It’s the way ppl like you act about it It’s cringe and you can look it up yourself I’m not being apart of this little ego jerk off Think what you want about me , I keep my mind sharp by avoiding debates like this lol
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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: Tripsten]
#26203331 - 09/22/19 05:24 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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And I know man Your gonna need to jerk your ego off and pretend like me not putting the info up means you some how “win” Whatever that means ( even tho three seconds with google is all it took for me to find anything ) Your attitude about this just simply cringes me out and I’m not participating
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futurefocused
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split_by_nine said: still waiting for the data..
if youre simply saying weed isnt for everyone, i agree. but i do not agree that it is harmful.
cool name calling, btw 
here is some data
results: The MJ users showed differences in PSG measures (lower total sleep times, and less slow wave sleep than the control group) on both nights; they also showed worse sleep efficiency, longer sleep onset, and shorter REM latency than the control group on Night 2. More sleep continuity parameters were significantly worse for the MJ group than the control group on Night 2 versus Night 1, indicating that sleep in the MJ group was relatively worse on Night 2 compared to Night 1.
most know the body heals itself through a good night sleep and a good night sleep requires REM sleep however herb lowers the quality of sleep and keeps the brain from finishing the 5 stages of REM to help with tasks such as memory storage etc. i know when i was a heavy daily user (half oz a day at least personally) i didn't dream at all and also had terrible short term memory (lost my keys/phone several times a day, couldn't remember if i locked the door, god forbid remember what i had for breakfast etc). I still remember when my gf at the time mentioned she could see the difference instantly between me being high and not high to the point she would encourage me to smoke even though she was not a smoker herself and just wanted me to be enjoyable. not everyones experience and/or usage is the same but just sharing my own. other people experience loss of appetite, inability to go to sleep etc. sure the withdrawals are not the same comparable to harder drugs but there are side effects nonetheless. im just rambling now but it all depends on your definition of what you consider harmful, I for one cannot remember several years of schooling or events that people still talk to me about and I for the life of me cant remember, I just nod and say hell yea good times. When your 80 and looking back on life, memories are more then likely going to be more important than material objects so take care of your mental health. ff out.
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split_by_nine
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lmao, a 2 night sleep study on heavy cannabis users discontinuing use for said two nights.. laughable.
the 17 cannabis users are used to tokimg up before bed and for these 2 nights they didnt smoke.. leading to a bit of anxiousness. duh. did you even read it?
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The aim of this study was to determine if MJ users self-reporting sleep disturbance when discontinuing MJ use in the past show objective PSG findings that are different from a drug-free control group
spending a few extra minutes to fall asleep is not harmful. and they quit weed for the study. it wasnt a study on the active effects of marijuana.
plus, 31 people is hardly enough data to say this is true.
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split_by_nine
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smoking 14 grams of weed a day, im not surprised you lost your keys a few times. thats way too much unless you're a cancer patient. i smoke maybe a half gram a day.. if that. maybe a whole gram over the weekend.
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i see your POV, your a casual user. of course I wouldn't think there is an issue with herb if I were a one/two bowl smoker. everything is fine with moderation however your viewpoint is from a person who drinks to enjoy the taste and maybe get a slight buzz however there are still many people who hit the bars every night and get blackout drunk and those are the people who might end up with issues down the line, not the casual sipper, with physical dependency issues such as withdrawals etc.
if you want more data maybe you should look into these, the fact is marijuana research has only just begun due to legalization and the long term side effects are still unknown because there has not been legalization at federal level prohibiting research such as long term studies following subjects over there lifetimes. to find volunteers on substances that are still frowned upon among those employed to publicly participate is difficult in its own right so data will be difficult to gather on a wide scale is my own theory on the subject. if there is smoke there might be fire just saying.
regardless, there is a sizeable population who partake as much or even more than me on a regular basis and your argument of active effects vs side effects doesn't make sense to me. if you use you should think about both, not just one and just because you might not have any effects doesn't mean they don't exist in the first place. oh and btw, i didn't smoke it i vaped it and only hit greens and dumped the rest hence the large amount not that it changes anything but perspective and an accurate portrayal . ff out
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Marijuana use patterns and sleep among community-based young adults. By: Conroy, Deirdre A.; Kurth, Megan E.; Strong, David R.; et al. JOURNAL OF ADDICTIVE DISEASES Volume: 35 Pages: 135-143, 2016.
Cannabis withdrawal and sleep: A systematic review of (36) human studies. By: Gates, Peter; Albertella, Lucy; Copeland, Jan. SUBSTANCE ABUSE Volume: 37 Pages: 255-269, 2016
Dose-dependent cannabis use, depressive symptoms, and FAAH genotype predict sleep quality in emerging adults: a pilot study. By: Maple, Kristin E.; McDaniel, Kymberly A.; Shollenbarger, Skyler G.; et al. AMERICAN JOURNAL OF DRUG AND ALCOHOL ABUSE Volume: 42 Pages: 431-440, 2016
Effect of cannabidiol on sleep disruption induced by the repeated combination tests consisting of open field and elevated plus-maze in rats. By: Hsiao, Yi-Tse; Yi, Pei-Lu; Li, Chia-Ling; et al. NEUROPHARMACOLOGY Volume: 62 Pages: 373-384, 2012
Multicenter, double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled, parallel-group study of the efficacy, safety, and tolerability of THC: CBD extract. Johnson JR, Burnell-Nugent M, Lossignol D, Ganae-Motan ED, Potts R, Fallon MT. J PAIN SYMPTOM MANAGE. Volume 39, pages 167-79, 2010.
The effects of cannabinoid administration on sleep: a systematic review of human studies. Peter J. Gates, Lucy Albertella, Jan Copeland, SLEEP MEDICINE REVIEWS Volume 18, pages 477-487, 2014
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Lol your arguments about your own insecurities have basically proven my point that humans must and I mean MUST label absolutely everything in terms of good vs bad. Thanks for making my point! Btw calling people morons for looking at a plant objectively is good way to make an ass of yourself lol. Marijuana does not produce dopamine effects in your brain. Your brain has whats called cannabinoid receptors that work completely apart from your dopamine receptors. It’s called an endocannabinoid system. Like really people if you aren’t going to put the time in to even be educated about what your talking about then what is the point? For every negative article you have pulled and every negative point you have made there are scores of successes. I never once said that cannabis has no negative side effects. I said that to label a plant or to label anything or anyone within a box of good vs bad is a pretty ridiculous, immature, and uneducated perspective. But if you would like to go through life pushing your own negativity on everyone else then that’s your call.
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i hope you were growing your own because thats a considerable amount of waste your making by only "hitting greens" and would not be affordable by your average pothead.
weed has been used for centuries so im pretty certain we know of its long-term effects.
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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: SocalJosh]
#26203847 - 09/22/19 11:09 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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SocalJosh said: Lol your arguments about your own insecurities have basically proven my point that humans must and I mean MUST label absolutely everything in terms of good vs bad. Thanks for making my point! Btw calling people morons for looking at a plant objectively is good way to make an ass of yourself lol. Marijuana does not produce dopamine effects in your brain. Your brain has whats called cannabinoid receptors that work completely apart from your dopamine receptors. It’s called an endocannabinoid system. Like really people if you aren’t going to put the time in to even be educated about what your talking about then what is the point? For every negative article you have pulled and every negative point you have made there are scores of successes. I never once said that cannabis has no negative side effects. I said that to label a plant or to label anything or anyone within a box of good vs bad is a pretty ridiculous, immature, and uneducated perspective. But if you would like to go through life pushing your own negativity on everyone else then that’s your call.
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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: split_by_nine] 1
#26203849 - 09/22/19 11:12 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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split_by_nine said: i hope you were growing your own because thats a considerable amount of waste your making by only "hitting greens" and would not be affordable by your average pothead.
weed has been used for centuries so im pretty certain we know of its long-term effects.
 I doubt these guys even smoke is what it sounds like to me.
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Just speaking from personal experience I have seen people have drug seizures from marijuana it can have negative outcomes for some users. It also has many negative long term effects which you are bound to notice in yourself and others if you are a long term user. It is a relatively harmless drug for most people when used in moderation but that is not always the case. I don't need a study to prove it because it's just my personal opinion based on what I've seen in my own life.
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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: Shroomhunts]
#26204268 - 09/23/19 09:30 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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What no way dude it’s literally perfect in every single way there’s literally not a single thing which is negative about it how dare you come after weed dude ahah I’m cringy and need to spread misinformation
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split_by_nine
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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: Shroomhunts]
#26204283 - 09/23/19 09:40 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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human laws have nothing to do with the natural order of nature. saying weed is dangerous because of police is actually saying the police are dangerous. derp.
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Re: The worst thing about weed is.. [Re: SocalJosh]
#26204468 - 09/23/19 11:24 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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bro im a weed advocate but to argue that there is no side effects at all are close minded and simply showing your experience level. most things are fine within moderation but when you become out of balance life has a way of rebalancing for you one way or another.
edit: and i never called anyone a moron, but as they say.. a liar always thinks everyone else is lying. someone simply asked for data, and i shared data. i never argued marijuana has dopamine in it but it does effect dopamine receptors in the brain and heavy users have less dopamine released.
source
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split_by_nine said: i hope you were growing your own because thats a considerable amount of waste your making by only "hitting greens" and would not be affordable by your average pothead.
weed has been used for centuries so im pretty certain we know of its long-term effects.
lmao not in mass consumption by todays standard. hitting a peace pipe in a teepee or whatever ways it was consumed in ancient china is no where like it is today. there is a difference between recreational usage and medicinal usage and the majority of users today are strictly recreational.
keywords: average pothead, i admitted i was a heavy chronic user and was not an average pothead by any means, smoking a half gram was just to get out of bed in the morning and apparently my trash is your treasure, like i said to my neighbor who would beg for my roaches in the ash tray when i smoked blunts, take it all my friend.
I disagree with your argument stating you know the long-term effects because the weed from 100 years ago isn't the weed from today and the weed from the 70s isn't the weed from today and the weed from 2000 isn't the weed from today. your being short sighted amigo
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split_by_nine said: i hope you were growing your own because thats a considerable amount of waste your making by only "hitting greens" and would not be affordable by your average pothead.
weed has been used for centuries so im pretty certain we know of its long-term effects.
 I doubt these guys even smoke is what it sounds like to me.
no i don't smoke anymore because there are healthier ways to use consume and preserve longevity in the game of life and to get the effects i'm personally looking for.. but to be honest josh, sounds like you don't smoke enough to get where i'm coming from.. but please don't because smoking whatever the medium isn't the best. ff out
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The weed from today is the same as the weed from yesteryear. The increase in potency is due to more strains being found in other parts of the world and cross breeding with other more potent strains. There is not a scientific way to increase the potency of a seed(s) (that I know of). The DNA is in the seed and can be maximized to produce it's full THC potential by perfect conditions, but THC can not be increased by any other means than cross breeding. Been smoking on and off since 1977. 1st time I was 6-7yo. it's a different story though...
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split_by_nine
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thanks for the info T-rex! i was just about to ask futurefocused if he was alive in the 70s, smoking weed, to make that claim.
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