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    #7615314 - 11/09/07 01:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Matsutakes and Stuff [Re: lorbitherize]
    #7615688 - 11/09/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Supposedly its possible to clone Matsutake on specialized agar but I have yet to see it. I've tried it on PDYA which works for other mycorhizal species such as the King Bolete (Boletus edulis) and Amanita muscaria. I have had absolutely no luck at all with several attempts. But you can buy cultures so the first step would be to determine the proper agar formula to generate a clone. Good luck!


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Re: Matsutakes and Stuff [Re: lorbitherize]
    #7615864 - 11/09/07 03:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think you're going to find that methods that work with Oyster mushrooms are not going to be successful with Matsutake.


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Re: Matsutakes and Stuff [Re: Workman]
    #7615937 - 11/09/07 04:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

tricholoma magnivalere are extremely difficult to culture and inoculate with a photobiont(pinus contorta and pseudotsuga meinziesii). when the fungi is exposed to the roots of the host symbiont, 90 percent of the seedlings die. the tricholoma actually becomes a pathogen and destroys the cortex of the root and kills the seedling, with the last 10 percent not creating the desired symbiotic relationship and in turn do not produce sporophores. there's another factor happening in this complex partnership that we are not seeing. i have heard from my colleagues that there has been success by planting seedlings in the area of a known shiro. allowing a couple of years and transplanting in similar habitat. good luck!


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Re: Matsutakes and Stuff [Re: asci]
    #7616072 - 11/09/07 04:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Ok so check it, this is just a stream of consciousness so bear with me.

So I know a bit about how truffles work, so maybe this might come into play a bit. I know that farmers would plant seedlings under known host trees that have the fungi in their root zone. They would let the tree grow for a couple years then transplant it to the orchard. So that the young tree can grow develop then slowly gain the exposure to the mycelium. Instead of inoculating seedlings the trees get time to actually develop, harden off, and then grow into large specimens.

To bad Micololo sp? wasn't still around. He has been experimenting with mycorhizal mushrooms.


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Re: Matsutakes and Stuff [Re: asci]
    #7618306 - 11/10/07 11:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I was going to suggest dusting seeds with spore solution, a la Rhizobium inoculation, but I was not aware of the research asci is citing.


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Re: Matsutakes and Stuff [Re: YidakiMan]
    #7618468 - 11/10/07 12:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

That would be too easy right!?


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Re: Matsutakes and Stuff [Re: Cheezit]
    #7619397 - 11/10/07 04:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hehe... re-inventing the wheel is always fun but it gets old and still goes around.

Asci are you aware of any research using P. banksiana? My father is about to clear several dozen acres of jack pine and I am in charge of regenerating the forest. The trees are old enough that they will not regenerate by themselves, they will just be overgrown by Populus tremuloides. They do not produce anything for us except the occasion ruffed grouse and L. deceptivus.


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Re: Matsutakes and Stuff [Re: YidakiMan]
    #7620595 - 11/10/07 11:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

research has been conducted with pinus banksiana and mycorrhizal partnerships, as for the study of edible ecto/endo mycorrhizal species involved in the study is not clear. i do know from experience that a range of edible species are found in stands of pinus banksiana.


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Re: Matsutakes and Stuff [Re: asci]
    #7621704 - 11/11/07 11:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Inoculate the stumps with Maitake?


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Re: Matsutakes and Stuff [Re: Cheezit]
    #7626143 - 11/12/07 02:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Maitake probably wouldn't like jack pine, its a very resinous pine. I will probably inoculate the stumps with a variety of saprobic fungi that my parents can enjoy 3 seasons of the year when they visit.

I'd like to direct sow tree seeds and spores for the new forest. My theory is that mycorhizzal beds will fruit based upon the size of the mycelial mat and not necessarily age.
I might try chanterelles and oak, because I found some chanterelles under a very young oak tree once.


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Re: Matsutakes and Stuff [Re: YidakiMan]
    #7626508 - 11/12/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

its almost exclusive to DOUGLAS FIR isnt it?
thats where i found mine when i was out in the PNW.


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Re: Matsutakes and Stuff [Re: greys]
    #7626600 - 11/12/07 04:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Here in Hoozerberg, I find C. lateritius and C. applaciensis under American Beech. The C. applaciensis are usually short lived and buggy, they seem to come up prolifically during heavy rains. I find what I assume to be C. cibarius under white oak, it has noticable blunt veins and has firm flesh.

Right now at The Fresh Market they have C. formosus for sale.


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Re: Matsutakes and Stuff [Re: YidakiMan]
    #7626664 - 11/12/07 04:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

doh! i thought you were still talking about matsutake....i find most of my chanterelles locally in oak and black cherry. my bad~:dancing:


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