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Ayahuasca and other phenomena
    #7614831 - 11/09/07 11:39 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

it seems like people on here using it has died down alot i wonder if this it true, theres much talk of cactus but no brew just wondering how come no one mixes it with vine. a fellow of mine does the same he says that the brew is too much for him, most brews i gave him contained small amounts of cactus just the right amount to make a big difference on the whole thing. He also said those trips were harder to comprehend all of it.

I might add the when i make brews now they have a way of not hitting for a couple days when im laying in bed then bam heavy trip and the aya spirit is there. last night i questioned the spirit and last night i was awoke from sleep tripping hard with it present(as in the spirit of it all)so i know its not dead or sleeping or gone.
this brings me to the next point i wanted to bring up due to it being percent between me and my colleagues and now one here that i know of has mentioned it. Time distortion of drug effects now i mean this in not how you perceive time but how time acts on your mind.
as in Feeling the effects of drugs you take before to take it hours even a day before even a week and feeling it over the course of the week, then when taking it its drastically weakened or the other taking alot of stuff it not hitting then feeling it the next day or days down the road or in small bits over the course of a longer period as if the body isnt taken into consideration and its just the mind and body free of time and space(aka body) yeah.

so just questioning things as i often do.


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Re: Ayahuasca and other phenomena [Re: thedudenj]
    #7614842 - 11/09/07 11:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

ayahuasca was so epic for me the last time i drank it i honostly have no desire to drink it again for a while. good stuff though, love dmt.


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Re: Ayahuasca and other phenomena [Re: wortiesbo]
    #7614889 - 11/09/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Wassup wassup


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Re: Ayahuasca and other phenomena [Re: Ophanim]
    #7614991 - 11/09/07 12:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Actually its kind of been the drug i use the most. But i only occasionally trip on high doses of it. Low doses make me think very rapidly and allow me to sort things in my life. Im getting the itch to trip hard again though.

Also I use it with other tryptamines and phenethylamines to amplify them. Just a tiny bit of dmt and harmala can take another psychedelic way further.


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Re: Ayahuasca and other phenomena [Re: Moo456]
    #7616160 - 11/09/07 05:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

zee mox part of it is your not really suppose to be using a recipe.


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Re: Ayahuasca and other phenomena [Re: wortiesbo]
    #7616238 - 11/09/07 05:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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ayahuasca was so epic for me the last time i drank it i honostly have no desire to drink it again for a while. good stuff though, love dmt.




My sentiments exactly.

But I might try combining a brew with some cactus at some point or another. It would just have to be a considerably less potent brew than my last one.


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Re: Ayahuasca and other phenomena [Re: thedudenj]
    #7616260 - 11/09/07 05:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hay guys sup


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Re: Ayahuasca and other phenomena [Re: thedudenj]
    #7616266 - 11/09/07 06:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I might add the when i make brews now they have a way of not hitting for a couple days when im laying in bed then bam heavy trip and the aya spirit is there.




That's funny you should say that. Are these brews fairly potent or not so much?

I seem to remember using a neti pot to flush out my sinuses within a couple weeks of my one brew that I made. It was weird because later that night I started having vivid dreams and I got out of bed and felt like I was on it again for a short while. I'm pretty confident that the neti pot had something to do with it too. Although, I wouldn't consider this to be like your delayed reaction so much as just an oddly triggered flashback of sorts.


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Re: Ayahuasca and other phenomena [Re: Ophanim]
    #7616269 - 11/09/07 06:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You boil some form of MAOI-containing plant in lemon juice and water, then do the same with a DMT-containing plant, then drink them about 40 minutes apart. There's dozens of recipes all over erowid, Shroomery, Bluelight, EDIT- basically anywhere you care to look.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=ayahuasca+recipe&meta=


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Re: Ayahuasca and other phenomena [Re: Ophanim]
    #7616285 - 11/09/07 06:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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thedudenj said:
zee mox part of it is your not really suppose to be using a recipe.


How do you make it then?

This is one thing I can not find a concrete answer to.




Most people will tell you to make 2 separate brews if you're making it yourself, despite the fact that they might only make a single really potent one in parts of the amazon.

But the basic idea is to have some MAOI plants (for brew one) and some DMT plants (for brew two) and just boil the heck out of them. Usually the longer you brew the plant matter, the better. 4-6 hours total boiling time on each brew would be sufficient. You can add some lemon juice to the water but it's really not necessary and I think it's preferable to use distilled water. Just fill a spaghetti pot with water, add the plant matter and boil until there's only a small amount of water left. Strain it and put the liquid to the side. Then keep boiling the same plant matter. Repeat that process another 2 or 3 times and boil all of your boilings down to a drinkable amount. Before drinking you might want to filter the brew with a really fine screen of some sort to get rid of some of the sediment. That's about it.


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Re: Ayahuasca and other phenomena [Re: truffleupagus]
    #7616301 - 11/09/07 06:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

ummm . . . I am just finishing up the reduction of 20g MHRB at this very second. Three boils have been conducted and filtered. I plan to reserve overnight and decant to a clear liquid tomorrow. I will have  light breakfast tomorrow, observant of MAOI restrictions. Then I will fast the remainder of the day.

:eek: - Tomorrow night it is on! - :eek:


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Re: Ayahuasca and other phenomena [Re: antiPock]
    #7616372 - 11/09/07 06:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Interesting. Making Ayahuasca sounds much more practical than making a pure chemical extract of DMT.


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Re: Ayahuasca and other phenomena [Re: Ophanim]
    #7616413 - 11/09/07 06:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It's easier, for sure, but the two aren't really interchangable. To steal someone's metaphor, one is a long and strange journey, the other is like being shot out of a cannon.


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Re: Ayahuasca and other phenomena [Re: EllisDSox]
    #7618069 - 11/10/07 09:59 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I assume Ayahuasca is the long and strange journey - I think I'd prefer that to the cannon. Not that I wouldn't like to try a sudden spiral into oblivion eventually...


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Re: Ayahuasca and other phenomena [Re: Ophanim]
    #7620298 - 11/10/07 08:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

bump.

This pic below is my brew, to be consumed very shortly. Note that the jar is fogged from humidity, but the liquid is crystal clear. (I put a flashlight behind it.) It was only filtered lightly - the real trick is reserve and decant, leaving sludge at the bottom. This operation was performed twice.

basically, 20g MHRB boiled thrice with white vinegar, with 1.5 g Syrian Rue added to the last boil. I had considered reducing further but I don't feel like it, and it doesn't taste that bad anyway. Shortly I'll consume 3g of rue ground in some water. I have never felt the need to extract that - just a quick chalky shot. 45 minutes or so later about half of the liquid will be consumed rapidly, and depending on initial effects more will be consumed gradually. See you on the other side!



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Re: Ayahuasca and other phenomena [Re: antiPock]
    #7620458 - 11/10/07 10:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i dunno its more so about energy and proper prayer i had a girl friend that had really strong energy and i would use her energy for my brews and those so far have been my strongest 1/2 of a cup out of my sacred cup which is 1/2cup volume. only that one cup which is 1/2cup volume US standards was all that was needed. and i would use same amount i take alone for up to 7 people with one brew each having 1 cup and they would trip extremely hard. i can nolonger brew like that unless i have a strong energy person with me. btw she was Russian like northern Russian looked like she was part asian or something and was really magic. this was also with brewing 1-2hours and only once the remains were used in the next brew with alittle bit more added after 3 remains were used till it started to weaken.


the brew need to only be strong enough to propel the medicine man to the point they need to be from there they can make everyone that consumes and fully gives in to his/her level. i know this from lots of practice and training 3 people in the art of this. tho i have taught more people in wasnt in the whole working of the brew just some reiki. any who.

rule one you have to craft your own brew and make perfection stop trying to read what do or be told. to know they self one must be willing to look deep with in and pull out their unknown unknowns and craft a brew out of that. then once mastered that art they must take their brew and pass on their ways and learn and stuff

i might as well point out a common thing i feel and some of my brewers feel is like caapi is up your nose and you snorted some.unless you have felt what im talking about its hard to explain. also my body feels made of caapi and mushrooms specially finger nails, its really strange. im defiantly prema tripping on huasca containing cactus and mushrooms now


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Re: Ayahuasca and other phenomena [Re: thedudenj]
    #7620493 - 11/10/07 10:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I appreciate what you are saying, but you seem to be a bit presumptive in your assesment of my motivations, intentions or practices. More time than you may think went into the preparation, and I feel that a considerable amount of mindfulness was added as well. This is not something that I take lightly.

I certainly do not believe that only others can be the arbiter of my experience, though they can certainbly add a great deal. So can I, and I will . . . in T-minus 10 minutes I start to consume the sacrement.



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Re: Ayahuasca and other phenomena [Re: antiPock]
    #7620888 - 11/11/07 01:00 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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bump.

This pic below is my brew, to be consumed very shortly. Note that the jar is fogged from humidity, but the liquid is crystal clear. (I put a flashlight behind it.) It was only filtered lightly - the real trick is reserve and decant, leaving sludge at the bottom. This operation was performed twice.

basically, 20g MHRB boiled thrice with white vinegar, with 1.5 g Syrian Rue added to the last boil. I had considered reducing further but I don't feel like it, and it doesn't taste that bad anyway. Shortly I'll consume 3g of rue ground in some water. I have never felt the need to extract that - just a quick chalky shot. 45 minutes or so later about half of the liquid will be consumed rapidly, and depending on initial effects more will be consumed gradually. See you on the other side!




20g? That seems like a whole lot. Shouldn't there be at least three servings in that much?


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Re: Ayahuasca and other phenomena [Re: Ophanim]
    #7620919 - 11/11/07 01:13 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

you could use 20 g on 10 people lol if your skilled 20 if need be


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Re: Ayahuasca and other phenomena [Re: thedudenj]
    #7620969 - 11/11/07 01:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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you could use 20 g on 10 people lol if your skilled 20 if need be



Thats for damn sure.

It depends on how much of the vine is used, and who is taking the brew.

People used to 3.5 grams of mushrooms often use 7-8 grams with any given amount of caapi(unless your caapi dose exceeds 30 grams).

I dont use mimosa though. Im just saying that "the dude" aint shitting you.

20 grams can serve 10 people, depending on the full brew and the people involved in the session.


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Re: Ayahuasca and other phenomena [Re: thedudenj]
    #7620989 - 11/11/07 02:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Personal energy is very powerful. Those who can wield it can make an entire camp full of people very happy. Poi and comedy are very powerful allies as well. Running with the metaphor and doing N2O help, too.


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Re: Ayahuasca and other phenomena [Re: mecreateme]
    #7621008 - 11/11/07 02:41 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

lol yeah poi is great but you dont even need to speak to use it. to be honest i dont think its some much about caapi either its more about matery of energy and loyalty and trust, with those three things you can use telempathy to a great extent and share in one body so to say or how ever it works. vibes and viber transmition. i think it all just works off novelty


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Re: Ayahuasca and other phenomena [Re: yageman]
    #7621013 - 11/11/07 02:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Holy shit. I overdid it a bit.

But FYI 20g is what I had, so it was what was brewed. One can always freeze this clear broth, suffice it to say I did not consume it all. That would have been torturous.

Oh and I also did purge quite effectively after all. The brew was stronger than I could have possibly imagined. I could swear the were shreds of bark in my puke! :eek:


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Re: Ayahuasca and other phenomena [Re: thedudenj]
    #7621016 - 11/11/07 02:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Good way to put it. It works off those who have the capability to enjoy it...

It is definitely not attached to any sort of chemical for sure, everything from LSD to nitrous, to heady nuggets with hash, to people instilled with the fire can activate it in any in us. Even just the fire or very powerful music, or just the right phrase, or close friend's assurance, can act as it.


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Re: Ayahuasca and other phenomena [Re: mecreateme]
    #7622191 - 11/11/07 02:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yah man you can tap into that spirit via nugget for sure or alot of things. but then theres also the universal state


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