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Re: I was attacked by a demon last night [Re: Hahzist]
    #7619925 - 11/10/07 06:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I've got a question for you...

Have you ever been attacked by a "demon" while you weren't high, stoned, half asleep, or otherwise in a state of "off balance" mental functioning?


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Re: I was attacked by a demon last night [Re: trendal]
    #7620950 - 11/11/07 01:27 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

to the OP and his roommate.

when you first fall asleep sometimes you don't pass out, and you get that sleep paralysis state (or sometimes when you become conscious while dreaming) you sometimes wind up close to your physical body, but not in a dream or elsewhere. i don't know much about demons or whatever, but normally when i become lucid in dreaming or while OBing if i'm close to the physical sometimes i come into contact with what i guess you'd call hell realms or whatever (i say or whatever, because hell realms sound way more powerful and scarey than these places actually are for those viewing from the outside).
these things shouldn't scare you, and you should also not pay attention to them. if there is something you don't want coming at you, you'll naturally react by fighting it. in the process of fighting it you'll pretty quickly figure out how to keep things like that out (as i think your roommate mentioned), so you have nothing to worry about from that angle, they're pretty easy to keep out.
a better technique that is learned over time, and hopefully reading this will give you the inspiration to learn it quicker, is just "moving" away from that mental location. you could also use the words teleporting, flying, and i use the word phasing. you dream body or whatever you want to call it doesn't move, but your awareness shifts to a different mental place.
the goal of course is to shift to a mental place where whatever is bothering you no longer has access, and for me is characterized by a feeling of "waking up" or becoming more logically aware, as opposed to the emotional awareness that sometimes leaves me open to whatever these annoying things are.

to sum it up, in my experiance these things are nothing to worry about, and focusing on them and giving them names and such only ties you down to the mental place they exsist at.

that being said, there do appear to be exceptions. even at higher mental places i've run into "entities" or something that can manipulate me against my will and keep my from shifting mental location or waking up. i guess if you were scared enough you could color them in to look and feel like demons, but i'm guessing they have nothing to do with all the things normally characterized as demons.
my subconscious like to color them in as aliens annoyingly enough, even though i've been flat up told in OBEs that its just the only way my brain can think to interpret the experience.
there also appear to be some sort of helper entities that have similar ability to control you while dreaming or OBEing, but they'll usually let you go if you panic and don't want to be there anymore.

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its very possible this is all just exploration of the subconscious and unconscious (if there is a difference). "demons" and the like exsist mainly in the subconscious (i say mainly since i'm sure there are people that attempt to channel such things and give them physical exsistence). the reason healthy people tend to only perceive these things while tired, stoned, high, ect is because the state of being awake and alert is a completely different mental place than the subconscious.
which i guess is obvious, and this edit was pointless.


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Re: I was attacked by a demon last night [Re: trendal]
    #7621252 - 11/11/07 08:25 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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trendal said:
I've got a question for you...

Have you ever been attacked by a "demon" while you weren't high, stoned, half asleep, or otherwise in a state of "off balance" mental functioning?




Good question


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Re: I was attacked by a demon last night [Re: Hahzist]
    #7621372 - 11/11/07 09:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

There is no such thing as evil.  You just experienced the power of your imagination coupled with fear.  Being raised in a fundamentalist Christian household, I used to get attacked by *demons* all the time, until I had a breakthrough trip that showed me the true nature of good and evil.  THERE IS NO EVIL. 

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Good and evil are only labels that different people ascribe subjectively.  Say that there actually was an *entity* in your room, there is no indication other than your fear of it that it was *evil*.  It is natural for us to be fearful; it keeps us alive.  However, one must realize that the archetypal angels and demons do not exist outside of the human imagination.  Would you be afraid of the wicked witch of the west?

Humans are the ones that concoct this notion of good and evil.  In reality, everything just IS.  You have to make the choice to stop living in a fear space, and learn to live your journey through the lens of love.

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Re: I was attacked by a demon last night [Re: SoY]
    #7621401 - 11/11/07 09:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)


Humans are the ones that concoct this notion of good and evil. In reality, everything just IS. You have to make the choice to stop living in a fear space, and learn to live your journey through the lens of love.


Do you see the contradiction here. You claim to know that there is no evil or good and then you claim there is such a thing as love which equates to the good.


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Re: I was attacked by a demon last night [Re: Icelander]
    #7621405 - 11/11/07 09:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I did not say love equates with good.


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Re: I was attacked by a demon last night [Re: SoY]
    #7621406 - 11/11/07 09:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Love equates with less suffering.


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Re: I was attacked by a demon last night [Re: SoY]
    #7621411 - 11/11/07 09:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Suffering is not evil, it's just not desirable.


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Re: I was attacked by a demon last night [Re: SoY]
    #7621417 - 11/11/07 09:49 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I believe you implied it by your statement. So then, what is love?


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Re: I was attacked by a demon last night [Re: SoY]
    #7621420 - 11/11/07 09:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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SoY said:
Love equates with less suffering.




Less suffering would be a "good" thing.


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Re: I was attacked by a demon last night [Re: Icelander]
    #7621428 - 11/11/07 09:52 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

According to what the word "good" probably means to you, yes.


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Re: I was attacked by a demon last night [Re: SoY]
    #7621430 - 11/11/07 09:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

So except for masochists, less suffering = good and more suffering = evil. Hey, I think we're pretty close to a definition here.


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Re: I was attacked by a demon last night [Re: SoY]
    #7621433 - 11/11/07 09:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

What I was trying to express is that there is no universal force of *evil* that is trying to hurt humanity. There is no epic battle raging in the *spiritual realm* for control of our *souls*. The universe is malleable and open for our interpretation. We can be "life-affirming" or "life-hampering" in our actions. These actions are not "good" or "evil", they are simply beneficial to our species or detrimental.


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Re: I was attacked by a demon last night [Re: Hahzist]
    #7621447 - 11/11/07 10:00 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I had the exact same experience as Icelander.

I woke up to small footsteps on my bed like those of a cat. Then something climbed on top of me and I reached over and felt fur like on an animal. I had to struggle to physically push it off of me with my hands and when I eventually did, I looked up and saw a black animal/demon thing on the end of my bed with glowing yellow eyes. Then it just disappeared. Needless to say it freaked me out and I don't get freaked out very easily.


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Re: I was attacked by a demon last night [Re: SoY]
    #7621448 - 11/11/07 10:02 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

What I was trying to express is that there is no universal force of *evil* that is trying to hurt humanity. There is no epic battle raging in the *spiritual realm* for control of our *souls*. The universe is malleable and open for our interpretation. We can be "life-affirming" or "life-hampering" in our actions. These actions are not "good" or "evil", they are simply beneficial to our species or detrimental.



This is an opinion and you state it as fact. What's up with that?


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Re: I was attacked by a demon last night [Re: Catalysis]
    #7621452 - 11/11/07 10:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yet there is no indication that this entity was evil....


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Re: I was attacked by a demon last night [Re: SoY]
    #7621457 - 11/11/07 10:05 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

No, I'm pretty sure it is a fact that that is what I was trying to express.


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Re: I was attacked by a demon last night [Re: SoY]
    #7621460 - 11/11/07 10:05 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Yet there is no indication that this entity was evil....



We needn't classify something as "evil" to sense that it has malicious intent.


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Re: I was attacked by a demon last night [Re: Silversoul]
    #7621464 - 11/11/07 10:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

How do know if it has malicious intent? What did it do, rape your sister and steal your stash? Or was it simply in the room with you, you were afraid of it, and therefore assumed it was *evil*.....


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Re: I was attacked by a demon last night [Re: SoY]
    #7621489 - 11/11/07 10:18 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

oh pretty sure:lol:


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