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Fraggin
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Getting your questions answered.
#7614250 - 11/09/07 09:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/search.php
For real people. I have seen the same questions on the same page in the cultivation forum.
Something to consider. If you are new, and you encounter things you are unsure about, you can bet that the question has been asked dozens of times.
If you use the search function, you will get more information on the subject than by asking a question because of two reasons.... Some people get tired of answer the same questions over and over and if they don't chime in with correct info, someone that may not know what they are talking about will....
If you have a question about contamination, there is a contamination forum just for those kinds of questions.
As far as I know, there are dozens of teks out there that explain things in great lenght comprehensivley and visually. If you wanna know how to do a wbs tek, then search for wbs tek here http://www.shroomery.org/forums/search.php If you wanna know how to do something that seems totally cool in theory, like, making a poo cake, then search for poo cake tek here http://www.shroomery.org/forums/search.php If you think your cake has the yellow mold contam, then search for yellow cake here http://www.shroomery.org/forums/search.php Also, so much information lies within the links at the top of your webpage.. See here....[image] [/image]
Also, if you see terms being tossed about and you want to be sure of their meanings, look here: http://www.shroomery.org/glossary2.php?ltr=A
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Chi Ro
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Re: Getting your questions answered. [Re: Fraggin]
#7614260 - 11/09/07 09:35 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's too bad that only one cycle of people that don't know how to use the search feature will read this, and most of them will not even pay attention.
With as many members as this forum has, questions are bound to get repeated over and over again.
But nice attempt to make a difference.
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Slimz
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Re: Getting your questions answered. [Re: Chi Ro]
#7614266 - 11/09/07 09:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sticky it or make it a forced read durring signup like i do for my forums
-------------------- Lazy Drywall Tek (no powdery mess) This series will blow your mind and confirm what you already know to be true. The Pharmacratic Inquisition Best Thread Ever ! ! !
me if you have questions about lasers Although i may advise others in a general way regarding all types of mushroom grows, and may even post question from other forums about growing "active" mushrooms, i only grow non-"active" mushrooms and edibles. FeelFamily resident tech guru
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mycocurious
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Re: Getting your questions answered. [Re: Slimz]
#7614280 - 11/09/07 09:46 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Actually, if people would actually read the sticky notes, they'd already have found this post...
[http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5303293] Please READ before posting any Questions![/url]
...which explains how to search through the public grow logs, the archives, searching, etc.
The problem is quite simply that people do not have the time or patience to research or, in most cases, do not understand enough about the question they're attempting to ask to find the right answer. All search engines require a firm grasp of the concept of TQDTA (the Terms of the Question Determine the Terms of the Answer) ... and then you have to consider that initially, many of new members come to this forum expecting a group of stoners and drug-dealers hanging out to take them under their wing and not a bunch of "high and mighty wannabe mycologists" - to paraphrase a great many indignant posters after being confronted about their inability to do any self-directed research.
Eww, run-on sentence hell up there, COFFEE!
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Don't mistake my tone for a "matter-of-fact" attitude. I'm just presenting what I believe to be correct, until I'm corrected... - How Myco-Curious Prepares Coir & Compost Substrates - How Myco-Curious Builds A Bulk Humidifier - How Myco-Curious Builds An Automated Greenhouse ------------------------------------ figgusfiddus said: Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.
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blood4blood
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Re: Getting your questions answered. [Re: mycocurious]
#7614324 - 11/09/07 09:56 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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its a forum man. i asked alot of dumb questions when i started also. im still green as hell! i think its dumb when people bitch at them and tell them "utfse" fuc that! why dont you help them out and point them in a general direction give them a tek to read show them how to use the search function. and if they dont want to do that then you can bitch. alot of the new guys arent looking for handouts. they just want a hand. and if your not going to help them just a little then maybe you dont belong here yourself. or your just to good of a mycologist and you belong in the "advanced mycology" forum.
Edited by blood4blood (11/09/07 09:57 AM)
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Slimz
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Re: Getting your questions answered. [Re: blood4blood]
#7614357 - 11/09/07 10:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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-------------------- Lazy Drywall Tek (no powdery mess) This series will blow your mind and confirm what you already know to be true. The Pharmacratic Inquisition Best Thread Ever ! ! !
me if you have questions about lasers Although i may advise others in a general way regarding all types of mushroom grows, and may even post question from other forums about growing "active" mushrooms, i only grow non-"active" mushrooms and edibles. FeelFamily resident tech guru
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jeetered
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Re: Getting your questions answered. [Re: Slimz]
#7614374 - 11/09/07 10:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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my standard answer for anyone with a post count under 100 asking simple stuff is
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UTFSE!!!!
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blood4blood
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Re: Getting your questions answered. [Re: jeetered]
#7614394 - 11/09/07 10:15 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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ehh, maybe im just to nice. i help out when i can. and if i dont know the answer to a question i tell them to ask your question in a pm to RR...
(j/k rr)
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MarlboroMan
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Re: Getting your questions answered. [Re: jeetered]
#7614403 - 11/09/07 10:18 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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jeetered said: my standard answer for anyone with a post count under 100 asking simple stuff is
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UTFSE!!!!
Exactly. I mean come on, you can help them a little, but it's so annoying. I have been registered on this board for quite a while and barely have about 110 posts because I actually take the time to search for things instead of wasting people's time when they could be answering way more valid questions that haven't been answered over and over.
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Edited by MarlboroMan (11/09/07 10:19 AM)
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mycocurious
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Re: Getting your questions answered. [Re: MarlboroMan]
#7614686 - 11/09/07 11:13 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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There was an old adage once that read...
"How many people does it take to answer a question on usenet? One hundred; 99 to bitch about him not using the archives and one to throw the kid a bone..."
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Don't mistake my tone for a "matter-of-fact" attitude. I'm just presenting what I believe to be correct, until I'm corrected... - How Myco-Curious Prepares Coir & Compost Substrates - How Myco-Curious Builds A Bulk Humidifier - How Myco-Curious Builds An Automated Greenhouse ------------------------------------ figgusfiddus said: Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.
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VisionsToReality
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Re: Getting your questions answered. [Re: mycocurious]
#7614718 - 11/09/07 11:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Personally I'll search a little bit, but seriously, this forum needs STICKIES. Nobody wants to sift through tons of threads to find 1 good thread which is actually worth reading, which is the case, most often. I don't have time for that BS or the patience, although at this point it has to be done for reasons involving LACK OF STICKIES!!!!!
Experienced people here need to make STICKIES that outline basic concepts and the purpose of various techniques and methods within those techniques. NOT JUST A LIST OF INSTRUCTIONS TO FOLLOW.
I'm so sick of reading through these stupid tek writeups that are merely a list of instructions. It could be made so much better if stickies were written containing basic concept and basic explanations on different methods etc. For newcomers that would surely eliminate a TON of repetitive questions.
Ok, rant over
-------------------- Life is one big road with lots of signs, So when you're ridin' through the ruts, Don't you complicate your mind. Flee from hate, mischief and jealousy Don't bury your thoughts, Put your vision to reality, yeah!
Edited by VisionsToReality (11/09/07 11:20 AM)
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c0_hush
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Re: Getting your questions answered. [Re: mycocurious]
#7614722 - 11/09/07 11:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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When I 1st started posting, I had so many question that were simply answered by the FAQ's. If not directly answered, I was pointed in the right direction. The "Search" feature has to be one of the most useful tools a forum can have, everything that one ever wants to know is, 99% of the time asked and answered by someone before...
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jeetered
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VisionsToReality said: Personally I'll search a little bit, but seriously, this forum needs STICKIES. Nobody wants to sift through tons of threads to find 1 good thread which is actually worth reading, which is the case, most often. I don't have time for that BS or the patience, although at this point it has to be done for reasons involving LACK OF STICKIES!!!!!
Experienced people here need to make STICKIES that outline basic concepts and the purpose of various techniques and methods within those techniques. NOT JUST A LIST OF INSTRUCTIONS TO FOLLOW.
I'm so sick of reading through these stupid tek writeups that are merely a list of instructions. It could be made so much better if stickies were written containing basic concept and basic explanations on different methods etc. For newcomers that would surely eliminate a TON of repetitive questions.
Ok, rant over
quit bitching and get off your lazy fucking ass and post those stickies you want.
I am one of those that write your "stupid tek write ups"
your mentality is what makes me want to make use of the ignore option, and continue saying UTFSE!
no one spoon fed me... why should we spoon feed others?
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VisionsToReality
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Re: Getting your questions answered. [Re: jeetered]
#7614793 - 11/09/07 11:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The problem is that not only do some of the tech writeups (not all) lack explanation as to WHY things are being done, but there is no master sticky that introduces the newb to various cultivation options, pros/cons, etc.
My lazy ass is in the process of learning so I wouldn't give myself the right to writeup stickies but I'd love to when the time comes, considering is it something SO EASY TO DO that nobody has done yet which would SERIOUSLY cut down on the # of repetitive questions.
jeet I understand why you'd be pissed off, it's not personal at all, but it's pretty frustrating to see the level of disorganization within this site, even though it appears organized at first glance.
My mentality is: Searching through teks which are lists of instructions does not help a person to organize a mental outline or a mental understanding of various techniques.
Right now there seems to be a master sticky not present which could unite and compare the major methods of cultivation.
Instead, noobs have to sift through teks which are essentially a list of instructions with little explanation within themselves and no real apparent explanation among themselves. So the newb has to look through lists of instructions lacking explanation with regard to the larger picture and this is what makes it a frustrating, time-wasting, pain in the ass. Can people get by without my requested stickies? Obviously, but like I said, it's a time wasting pain in the ass that could be avoided with EASE.
I didn't mean to bash anyone's teks, and I am generalizing here, of course, so please don't take offense. We value the time & effort put into the teks, but I think the next step is uniting those teks (not necessarily specific teks, or specific lists of instructions or specific tek variations within the same cultivation technique category, but general ideas and concepts regarding various methods of cultivation), comparing them, explaining the requirements for all methods of cultivation, how they differ, blah blah and so on.
-------------------- Life is one big road with lots of signs, So when you're ridin' through the ruts, Don't you complicate your mind. Flee from hate, mischief and jealousy Don't bury your thoughts, Put your vision to reality, yeah!
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VisionsToReality
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Re: Getting your questions answered. [Re: jeetered]
#7614808 - 11/09/07 11:33 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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jeetered said: no one spoon fed me... why should we spoon feed others?
Because we are a community here, and regardless of how hard it was for us, the community should strive for making it as easy and straightforward as possible. It is by no means the community spirit to act as if "hey, it was hard for me, so it needs to be hard for you....just 'cuz!" That doesn't make sense.
A reason more relevant to this thread, however, is that we should do this because it will seriously reduce the # of repeat questions on the forum.
-------------------- Life is one big road with lots of signs, So when you're ridin' through the ruts, Don't you complicate your mind. Flee from hate, mischief and jealousy Don't bury your thoughts, Put your vision to reality, yeah!
Edited by VisionsToReality (11/09/07 11:34 AM)
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jeetered
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VisionsToReality said: The problem is that not only do some of the tech writeups (not all) lack explanation as to WHY things are being done, but there is no master sticky that introduces the newb to various cultivation options, pros/cons, etc.
Well, the problem with your view is, it's not hard to look up "why is he adding calcium carb?" to get the answer, before posting the millionth time it's been asked without utfse.
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My lazy ass is in the process of learning so I wouldn't give myself the right to writeup stickies but I'd love to when the time comes, considering is it something SO EASY TO DO that nobody has done yet which would SERIOUSLY cut down on the # of repetitive questions.
I will garauntee that if I post WHY i do what I do, and the science behind it, 90% of reply's will be why I need to prove it in hard data, and I am wrong, when I am not, and everyone has their own method.
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jeet I understand why you'd be pissed off, it's not personal at all, but it's pretty frustrating to see the level of disorganization within this site, even though it appears organized at first glance.
It would actually be organized if everyone would use the search engine first.
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My mentality is: Searching through teks which are lists of instructions does not help a person to organize a mental outline or a mental understanding of various techniques.
We give you the instruction, it is YOUR responsibility to look up the science of it.
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Right now there seems to be a master sticky not present which could unite and compare the major methods of cultivation.
actually, if you read the actual stickies, the information is there, under the cultivation forums. Let's not forget that visiting the real time chat, is also probably a good way to get some information in real time, instead of wasting board space. Most of us there will link you to any info you need.
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Instead, noobs have to sift through teks which are essentially a list of instructions with little explanation within themselves and no real apparent explanation among themselves. So the newb has to look through lists of instructions lacking explanation with regard to the larger picture and this is what makes it a frustrating, time-wasting, pain in the ass. Can people get by without my requested stickies? Obviously, but like I said, it's a time wasting pain in the ass that could be avoided with EASE.
Teks are there for instruction, and visual learning, the science of mycology is NOT taught by teks, it's taught by reading, researching, and real life experience. The teks are a foundation. You get to follow step by step, so you can watch the process as it happens, THEN noobs can learn the different stages, look up terms, and start playing with the science.
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I didn't mean to bash anyone's teks, and I am generalizing here, of course, so please don't take offense. We value the time & effort put into the teks, but I think the next step is uniting those teks (not necessarily specific teks, or specific lists of instructions or specific tek variations within the same cultivation technique category, but general ideas and concepts regarding various methods of cultivation), comparing them, explaining the requirements for all methods of cultivation, how they differ, blah blah and so on.
The problem with this request, is that mycelium colonizes the same, no matter what sub you use, the sciences behind it, again, are not up to us to spoon feed. If I were to type out the entire book collection of paul stamets as a post on the sciences behind what we do, not one fucking person is going to take the time to read it. This is 2007, the age of "on demand" people want their answers RIGHT FUCKING NOW, not sifting through stuff... i think this is sad so until people learn to research, like any botanist, mycologist, dentist, doctor, what have you had to do to get where they are at, then so must you. Knowledge is learned through reading and research, wisdom is from experience.
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jeetered
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Re: Getting your questions answered. [Re: jeetered]
#7614900 - 11/09/07 11:55 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Please don't think i am an asshole and wont help people, I will by all means, but if someone asks the same question in 3 different posts, and then has the audacity to ask again, you better believe i'll spread some tough love.
I enjoy helping people that help themselves, blood4blood is one of them, he's asked me lots of questions on monotubs, but, he's come with sensible questions that I can tell he's actually doing some research, not saying, TELL ME HOW TO DO THIS.
I am not good at candy coating things, and for that I will apologize, I wish I had RogerRabbits patience in this respect, that man is a saint, I however, would rather lash at you with a wet peice of salt soaked leather strap, until you learn on your own. Then when you show me you're trying, that's when i'll whip out the spoon.
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Nwerd
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Re: Getting your questions answered. [Re: jeetered]
#7614932 - 11/09/07 12:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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There's only one question that I have asked that I still cannot get a reply too... Maybe no one actually knows the answer or maybe my question is stupid. I never know.. I search and search but alas to no avail.. And I really don't always trust information dated over 2 years old.. New concepts pop up all the time... I'm one of those nice guys because I wish I had someone to hold my hand a little bit when I was PF Tekin it, but I did an awesome job on my own. It is a hobby with major variable for success and failure. I was searching this site and using teks got to where I am now 4 months before I actually registered and started postin. I'm doing great but I still have questions, I always think they are stupid  Just my 2 or 3 cents worth. The Werd
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VisionsToReality
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Re: Getting your questions answered. [Re: Nwerd]
#7614943 - 11/09/07 12:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Eh, we disagree on many levels, jeet. It's ok though, bc we're all in this for the same goals. This vape goes out to you and others. To peace in the process of making this place even better!
-------------------- Life is one big road with lots of signs, So when you're ridin' through the ruts, Don't you complicate your mind. Flee from hate, mischief and jealousy Don't bury your thoughts, Put your vision to reality, yeah!
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jeetered
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hey man, i'll vape with you, it's not that i disagree, I agree, but the practicality that people will use it, is just so slim.
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