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dirtworshipper
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Maybe she was just faking it
You can't fake it
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Rahz
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Re: I'm glad it's not what I am. [Re: Icelander]
#7616944 - 11/09/07 09:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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>>>>Do I do chakras? I don't know what that means?
Any time something is bothering me, all I have to do is find the closed chakra/s and fix it. If I had a problem called death anxiety, I would bring it out and see which chakras were affected, and then just work on those chakras while I held the problem in mind. At the very least, your thought of death anxiety will promote good feelings, might even figure something out.
I bring it up because developing meditative skill is the only thing that has allowed me to actually deal with my fears. I appreciate "being", vipassana, being in the Now moment, but I also appreciate what gives me results, and nothing is quite as immediate or direct as chakra awareness.
-------------------- rahz comfort pleasure power love truth awareness peace "You’re not looking close enough if you can only see yourself in people who look like you." —Ayishat Akanbi
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Re: I'm glad it's not what I am. [Re: Icelander]
#7617351 - 11/10/07 12:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've come to the hopeless conclusion that the errors I perceive in my own personality will persist until my death. I still struggle with them daily, but it is a struggle I can't ever imagine winning. That may sound depressing, but...
You have made it to fifty years of age, so you must be doing something right.
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Quote: dblaney said:
Quote: Yet I am still stuck with me and my struggles.
Why struggle?
There's a very old story about a famous Tibetan saint (Milarepa, who was, ironically, a murderer) who encountered many demons (his own, of course). After a while, during his meditation, they would begin to fill up his cave. But he didn't struggle with them. In fact, he found the biggest, most horrifying demon out of all of them, and stuck his head in its mouth. Such total surrender! What happened after that? The demons simply went away. They had nothing to rub up against. No resistance, no struggle, so they just faded off.
 I love that story
"That which offers no resistance overcomes the hardest substance That which offers no resistance can enter where there is no space..." Tao Te Ching
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Icelander
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Re: I'm glad it's not what I am. [Re: redgreenvines]
#7618185 - 11/10/07 10:41 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: so this about being dead you are death obsessed ok fair enough it's real can't be avoided so? I kinda know that but what's going on now is fascinating and more than random sparks too
No, this is about being alive. You missed the point of this thread.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: I'm glad it's not what I am. [Re: hummermania00]
#7618192 - 11/10/07 10:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I feel for you on this Icelander, and I would really like to be able to help you
If that was your picture in your avatar I think you probably could.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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once again the responsibility for any change in any direction rests with me alone and I am often not up to the task.
I think you should fire yourself and hire a professional.
At what I'm paying, no one wants the job.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Icelander
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MushmanTheManic said: I've come to the hopeless conclusion that the errors I perceive in my own personality will persist until my death. I still struggle with them daily, but it is a struggle I can't ever imagine winning. That may sound depressing, but...
You have made it to fifty years of age, so you must be doing something right.
If being alive is the only criteria for success then yes, I have outlived Jim Morrison by twice.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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dblaney
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Re: I'm glad it's not what I am. [Re: Icelander]
#7619780 - 11/10/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Why struggle?
I love pat answers like this but they are worthless IMO. Don't you think I would have stopped the struggle if I could? I mean that's what this post is about.
Oh and by the way, I could give a fuck about an old Tibetan saint and some made up story about his feats, along with the flying spagetti monster.
If you are struggling yourself then why are you still struggling and giving out advice that you don't use? Just stop then. Read what the Tibetan Masters say and just do that.
Why ask me why I struggle when if you look in the mirror you will have your answer. I'm talking about how things are rather than how we wish or pretend they were.
Your advice is the same advice I have given myself hundreds if not thousands of times to no avail. Get what I'm saying?
Perhaps you misunderstood what I was saying. I'm not suggesting you struggle against your struggle. That would be pointless. Trying to stop the struggle is just that: struggling against struggle.
I'm also talking about how things are: struggle. If that's the reality of this moment, then that's the reality of this moment. Perfect, just as it is.
You know as well as I do, being the Casteneda fan that you are, that stories like that have something to convey. Whether or not Don Juan could really go against the laws of physics in the ways he did doesn't matter as much as what he was trying to teach. Same thing here.
We all struggle. It's part of growing up human. We seem to define ourselves in large part by our struggles.
But they seem to only be a problem when we really get caught up in them, either by trying to avoid or escape them, or trying to change or eliminate them. But when I simply let the struggle be itself, and fully experience it: the stories in my head, the clenched stomach, the fear, the rapid heartbeat...then it loses so much weight. Sure, it's still there. It may always be there. But that's okay. It's my experience of the present moment, and I welcome it, even if it is very uncomfortable.
All I'm saying is that this is my experience. Maybe you can learn something from it. Or maybe you have tried it hundreds or thousands of times to no avail.
I don't know man. It just sounds like you're being kind of hard on yourself. I hope you're able to be more at peace.
-------------------- "What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?" "Belief is a beautiful armor But makes for the heaviest sword" - John Mayer Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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Re: I'm glad it's not what I am. [Re: dblaney]
#7619799 - 11/10/07 05:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I get ya.
No I'm not being hard on myself here. This is just what I see about life. I'm not under the impression that I'm special here and the only one dealing with this shit. I'm just shining a light on it so I or we can take a look.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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dblaney
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MushmanTheManic said: I've come to the hopeless conclusion that the errors I perceive in my own personality will persist until my death. I still struggle with them daily, but it is a struggle I can't ever imagine winning. That may sound depressing, but...
You have made it to fifty years of age, so you must be doing something right.
Are they really errors? Everyone has shadowy parts of their personalities, but it is these aspects that have such a tremendous potential for growth. They're like black gold...compost. They're certainly not always fun or enjoyable or pleasurable, but they're you!
Why struggle?
-------------------- "What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?" "Belief is a beautiful armor But makes for the heaviest sword" - John Mayer Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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Re: I'm glad it's not what I am. [Re: dblaney]
#7619821 - 11/10/07 06:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's why I said "I perceive" them as errors. I know there are really no errors except in relation to our preferences.
Why Struggle?
So again I will say,"because I can't help it." I understand logically the uselessness of struggle in this case but my life long programming toward struggle is still active and that's what this post is about.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: I'm glad it's not what I am. [Re: Icelander]
#7619838 - 11/10/07 06:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's totally normal, to have struggle and conflict. But my question is directed towards your comments that give me the impression that you feel these struggles and conflicts to be bad or wrong or just in need of changing. It does seem as though you are struggling with struggle. If you weren't, then there wouldn't be any need to mention it, would there?
-------------------- "What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?" "Belief is a beautiful armor But makes for the heaviest sword" - John Mayer Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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Re: I'm glad it's not what I am. [Re: dblaney]
#7621261 - 11/11/07 08:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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You are completely correct.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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