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#7614219 - 11/09/07 09:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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** FACEBOOK HAS DELETED THIS GROUP TWICE. AUVINEN WAS RIGHT: WE ARE RULED BY THE DEMOCRATIC OLIGARCHY AND FACEBOOK IS THEIR HANDLER **
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6180707373
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: Conservationist]
#7614239 - 11/09/07 09:25 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I read his speech about what he wants and it sounds very intelligent, but really, killing random people in a school is not going to change anything.
I can agree with militancy a lot of the time- the Weather Underground, for example, but this guy really just seems like someone overcome with the sorrow of the world and misdirecting his anger. If he'd robbed a bank, blown up a weapon's factory or taken down a corporation, I'd have some solidarity with what the guy did. However, all he has done is increase the grief in the world.
May he, and those he killed all rest in peace.
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: Conservationist]
#7614248 - 11/09/07 09:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: Conservationist]
#7614339 - 11/09/07 09:59 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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vittun auvinen.
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: boO]
#7614982 - 11/09/07 12:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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where can i read the speech?
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: Bridgeburner]
#7615083 - 11/09/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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its on the group page it think
im not sure if that was written by him but i think thats what they were talkin about
fuck that group i would never join it
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: Bridgeburner]
#7615200 - 11/09/07 01:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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b0red5tiff said: where can i read the speech?
http://zami.pp.fi/jokela/files/
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: Tech]
#7615272 - 11/09/07 01:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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This guy has some pretty crazy ideas after reading through his speech. Here is a perfect example,
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Only superior (intelligent, self-aware, strong-minded) individuals should survive while inferior (stupid, retarded, weak-minded masses) should perish.
There is also another solution to the problem: stupid people as slaves and intelligent people as free.
Can someone explain to me who decides on who is superior and who is weak and stupid?
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: gENERIX]
#7615282 - 11/09/07 01:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I do.
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: gENERIX]
#7615303 - 11/09/07 01:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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He's not that bright. Realizing that the people of the world are horrid and imperfect takes little more than an idiots IQ. It's just a matter of perspective.
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: RoosterCogburn]
#7615308 - 11/09/07 01:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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RoosterCogburn said: I do.
Should I die?
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: Atheist]
#7615387 - 11/09/07 01:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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my husband's friends mother is the assistant vice principal of the school in jokela. she was in the principal's room when she heard him shooting and shouting "i'm going to fucking kill you all ha ha ha"
she hid under the desk the whole time and was safe. but the principal was shot execution style..forced to kneel and he shot her multiple times. she could have escaped and she did at first...but she decided to go back into the school after hearing a bunch of shots.
i don't know what to think about this...auvinen's thoughts are too extreme left/right...he didn't end up killing people who he thought were unfit, he just ended up randomly shooting people. he shot the school nurse just cause she was in the way...tending the children who were shot
i feel very sorry for his family who are getting death threats, cause obviously their son hid his thoughts very well from them. his mom though, follows a man who is considered an ecofacist (Pentti Linkola)..so there could be some inspiration from her words which also made him follow pentti linkola as well...dunno
it's too bad it happened here in finland, but it's bound to happen anywhere in this world. usually kids pekka-eric's age go through some stage where they hate everything but unfortunately he just went loopy.
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: Tangerines]
#7615388 - 11/09/07 01:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nah, yer good peoples. And I didn't mean me... I meant for Hitler to be saying "I do"... but yer good peoples anyway.
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: gENERIX]
#7615420 - 11/09/07 02:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
gENERIX said: This guy has some pretty crazy ideas after reading through his speech. Here is a perfect example,
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Only superior (intelligent, self-aware, strong-minded) individuals should survive while inferior (stupid, retarded, weak-minded masses) should perish.
There is also another solution to the problem: stupid people as slaves and intelligent people as free.
Can someone explain to me who decides on who is superior and who is weak and stupid?
It's not who, but what. In nature it's natural selection, survival of the fittest. As a result of the human race being civilized we do not have the luxury of natural selection. Therefore all the genetic defects and unintelligent humans live on, reproduce, and bring into the world more beings that would otherwise be struck down by the principles of Darwinism.
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: DNKYD]
#7616865 - 11/09/07 09:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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he went on a killing spree, i see that having very little in common with his extremist ideas. jesus, if you wanna go over the top don't apologize your needs with made-up political views, just say you're pissed off and have no excuse but you're going to go do it anyway because it seems like the only sensible thing left to do.
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: Bridgeburner]
#7617181 - 11/09/07 11:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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He went on a killing spree to weed out those individuals that he felt would have perished due to natural selection if it weren't for our civilized living. He has no place to decide who deserves to live or die, but at least the guy had convictions and stuck with them to the end. If you see his killing spree as having little to do with his extremist ideas maybe you should take a look at his ideas one more time.
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: boO]
#7619281 - 11/10/07 03:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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boO said: his mom though, follows a man who is considered an ecofacist (Pentti Linkola)..so there could be some inspiration from her words which also made him follow pentti linkola as well...dunno
I think Pentti Linkola is one of the few honest people.
Someone made a video about the Jokela shootings that tells about all of it.
I am sorry to see Finnish people die, unless they were unfit. I have only positive thoughts of Finland.
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: EllisDSox]
#7619294 - 11/10/07 03:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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EllisDSox said: If he'd robbed a bank, blown up a weapon's factory or taken down a corporation, I'd have some solidarity with what the guy did. However, all he has done is increase the grief in the world.
You're projecting your own views onto him. He saw the root of those problems as being people's sheepishness.
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: Conservationist]
#7619370 - 11/10/07 04:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Conservationist said: I am sorry to see Finnish people die, unless they were unfit. I have only positive thoughts of Finland.
so let's get this straight...auvinen said that he wanted to kill those who he saw as "unfit," but at the end, he just ended up killing people at RANDOM. to me, that didn't seem like he went along the lines of his manifesto..he was just a gun crazy lunatic who targeted innocent people at his school. he didn't even know those kids, or at least, he didn't kill kids whom he knew and profiled as being "unfit." they were basically people within his target range.
he's not a martyr...all he's done is caused grief for his family and the town he lived in. so far, the majority of finns will remember him as some troubled messed up teen not as some person who preached sanity and logic.
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: boO]
#7619450 - 11/10/07 04:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i don't think he was a gun crazy, i feel most of what he says in his manifesto and yes, i've felt i'd like to go and destroy everyone in my path to: without discrimination, a one way killing trip, ending it with me. it's not about any families or communities - it was DEEPLY individual. it's beyond a border where it doesn't matter if you are alive or dead.
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: boO]
#7619457 - 11/10/07 04:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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No one who goes around and shoots a school deserves even the title of extremist or even terrorist, because its such a senselessly retarded act...
Just another gnat on the giant ass of life without any self-preservation, looking for his 15 minutes he got it so people can read his shitass manifesto and hear his shitass on the news.
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: Bridgeburner]
#7619564 - 11/10/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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seek help then.
if he's not gun crazy..what was the fucking point of him 1. naming is stupid .22 2. uploading videos of him shooting an apple multiple times
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: boO]
#7619600 - 11/10/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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help? why if i don't feel ill?
he clearly had issues, but i don't care about his issues, that was his thing. i've never been into guns and never even hold one, i'm just saying i am not judging him.
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: Bridgeburner]
#7619639 - 11/10/07 05:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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b0red5tiff said: i feel most of what he says in his manifesto and yes, i've felt i'd like to go and destroy everyone in my path to: without discrimination, a one way killing trip, ending it with me.
with what you said right there, it seems like you clearly need some help.
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: boO]
#7619653 - 11/10/07 05:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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boO said:
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b0red5tiff said: i feel most of what he says in his manifesto and yes, i've felt i'd like to go and destroy everyone in my path to: without discrimination, a one way killing trip, ending it with me.
with what you said right there, it seems like you clearly need some help.
murderous suicidal rampages are perfectly acceptable hallmarks of a civilized society.
(im being sarcastic)
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#7619672 - 11/10/07 05:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: boO]
#7619681 - 11/10/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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boO said:
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b0red5tiff said: i feel most of what he says in his manifesto and yes, i've felt i'd like to go and destroy everyone in my path to: without discrimination, a one way killing trip, ending it with me.
with what you said right there, it seems like you clearly need some help.
clear to you. what sort of help would you suggest?
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: Conservationist]
#7619692 - 11/10/07 05:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Any society that cannot accept valid criticism of itself from an in-valid source is insane.
Facebook is a private organization and is free to do whatever they want with their site.
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: Bridgeburner]
#7619697 - 11/10/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Help with being
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: Bridgeburner]
#7619711 - 11/10/07 05:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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uhh...mental? personally i don't think it's "normal" for people to think that they'd like to one day kill a bunch of people and then themselves..but hey, whatever floats one's boat right? my thoughts on "normal" might not be your thoughts of "normal" so...if you think you're perfectly sane in thinking those thoughts.
anyways you said that you're not gun crazy like auvinen...so i suppose we can count that out of your arsenal if you were to kill people no other weapons are really effective...knives are useless...unless you're not against grenades, missiles etc
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: Redstorm]
#7619753 - 11/10/07 05:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Redstorm said:
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Any society that cannot accept valid criticism of itself from an in-valid source is insane.
Facebook is a private organization and is free to do whatever they want with their site.
you're right..and back to the topic...what a petty little thing to complain about. facebook deleting the group? who gives a rats arse...there are plenty of other sites where people can talk about/be unified with auvinen's ideas. facebook's mainly a medium to find friends and keep in contact with them...it's not centred around fucking groups people create (that's just an add-on)
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: boO]
#7620016 - 11/10/07 07:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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boO said: anyways you said that you're not gun crazy like auvinen...so i suppose we can count that out of your arsenal if you were to kill people no other weapons are really effective...knives are useless...unless you're not against grenades, missiles etc
when i had these ideas and planned them in my head i realized i could never kill enough people and destroy enough to make the thoughts/feelings go away, i wanted mass destruction, nerve gas, bombs, until i wanted genocide. then i realized it was subconscious suicide reflected outwards, i had to face myself and see that i really wanted to kill myself and i had to overcome the need to kill idiots and the "sheepish people" because killing them wouldn't make me feel better in the end. it may have given me a sort of a release but in the end what would have become of me? so i understood that i needed to "commit genocide" amongst my own demons and thoughts that drove me towards destructive urges.
now i can look back on it objectively and i have learned to control those feelings, but i can't condemn anyone in their grips. i can't judge a killer like that because he is not insane per se. he is of course guilty of taking other people's lives but you have to ask yourself how does a person reach that point.
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: Bridgeburner]
#7620087 - 11/10/07 07:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The difference is that you didn't kill anyone.
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Re: Facebook deletes popular school shooter group [Re: Redstorm]
#7620101 - 11/10/07 07:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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a one way trip to nowhere
Edited by sleepy (11/10/07 07:45 PM)
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