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    #7613833 - 11/09/07 05:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

3 things. saftey, nuclear power, entertainment


thats all you need.


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: sleepy]
    #7613879 - 11/09/07 06:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hope you don't get the munchies.


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Seuss]
    #7614050 - 11/09/07 08:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Your not safe if you dont eat....


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: strangladesh]
    #7614128 - 11/09/07 08:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> Your not safe if you dont eat....

Your definition of safe is much different than mine. For example, people that eat while driving are less safe than people that concentrate on driving while driving.


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: sleepy]
    #7614142 - 11/09/07 08:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You'd need quite a lot of cool stuff

An inertia canceler for starters, unless you wanna go in the slow lane!

Also maybe an anti-matter reactor and some advanced form of propulsion.


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Ego Death]
    #7614531 - 11/09/07 10:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Advanced propulsion only necessary for travel w/in a lifetime.

If you can figure out how to put someone into some kind of stasis, you can send them off to Sigma Draconis with an ion engine blowing out the back of the ship. It doesn't matter if it takes a million years.


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7616741 - 11/09/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Advanced propulsion only necessary for travel w/in a lifetime.

If you can figure out how to put someone into some kind of stasis, you can send them off to Sigma Draconis with an ion engine blowing out the back of the ship. It doesn't matter if it takes a million years.




The problem with the idea of stasis ship is that you might put a group of people in stasis and send them on their 100 year journey to wherever the fuck.

Well, half way on their trip(or probably sooner), here back on Earth, we'll have developed a space travel technology thats fast enough to just catch up to the stasis ship. Then all those people who were put in stasis will have wasted those 50 years.


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Nephlyte]
    #7616791 - 11/09/07 08:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

well ion engines are meant to run on solar power. imagine if we had a whole shitload of em, all huge as fuck running from a nuclear reactor?

can someone say fast as fuck?

but then again, how would we slow down? start early? that seems like it defeats the purpose of going fst in the first place.


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: nobhdy]
    #7617119 - 11/09/07 10:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well, if the destination is another sun, it could turn off the ion engine and either fire a big ass rocket to counter its motion.

Or if the destination is another sun, deploy a big solar sail that would slow it down.

But, i agree. I think we should send out some nuclear powered Ion engine crafts to other stars right now. Perhaps its still beyond us at this point.


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Nephlyte]
    #7617246 - 11/09/07 11:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

there is no point in sending a ship to another star (manned or unmanned) unless the ship can replicate itself once it gets there

that is the best way to explore our galaxy because in theory the rate of exploration increases geometrically, rather than arithmetically by producing them all here on earth


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Nephlyte]
    #7619139 - 11/10/07 02:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Advanced propulsion only necessary for travel w/in a lifetime.

If you can figure out how to put someone into some kind of stasis, you can send them off to Sigma Draconis with an ion engine blowing out the back of the ship. It doesn't matter if it takes a million years.




The problem with the idea of stasis ship is that you might put a group of people in stasis and send them on their 100 year journey to wherever the fuck.

Well, half way on their trip(or probably sooner), here back on Earth, we'll have developed a space travel technology thats fast enough to just catch up to the stasis ship. Then all those people who were put in stasis will have wasted those 50 years.




Its my understanding, and I'm not a physicist, that with in the reasonably near future its likely that we'll have the capability to propel something to some decent percentage of the speed of light.

Whether you believe anything faster than that truly IS possible is another story completely. I tend to think it isn't for my own reasons.


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7619290 - 11/10/07 03:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think its all about the Generation Ship. you know, like in Rendezvous with Rama.


The problem is, people aren't selfless and forward thinking enough to begin a quest that they won't personally see completed. Taking strides for the benefit of future generations is not in the individual's self-interest.


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7619555 - 11/10/07 04:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Madtowntripper said:Its my understanding, and I'm not a physicist, that with in the reasonably near future its likely that we'll have the capability to propel something to some decent percentage of the speed of light.


I dont know dude... that would take a ton of energy... I dont think any physicist thinks that, but Im not sure.

The fastest man made space craft is call the new horizon probe. I just looked it up, it goes 16km/s. So, thats about half a percent the speed of light.

I just did some quick math... If you wanted to accelerate it up to .5c (which is barely relativistic), it would take roughly 5.00*10^19 Joules. I wikipedia world wide energy usage, and it happens to be that number! So to propel a small craft at only half light speed would take a whole years worth of humanities energy consumption. You could not do this with rocket fuel, as it would take more fuel than the probe's own mass! In fact, even if you used antimatter it would take 552kg to propel the craft that is only 478kg.

I dont think it will happen in our lifetime, or in the next 1000 years. I wouldnt be surprised if no organic species in the universe ever travels from star to star.


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: DieCommie]
    #7619656 - 11/10/07 05:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

you ever solved GR for wormholes?


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: TheCow]
    #7619684 - 11/10/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

uhhh no :tongue: I cant even do differential geometry, just basic shit.

I heard smart people talk about it though... In fact two days ago I went to a talk by Lawrence M. Krauss (writer of the physics of star trek and theoretical physicist)  And he brought up the point that yea, you can find them in the math... but they collapse real quick, are real small, require negative energy and would transport you both in time and space.  And of course there has never been an experiment to show they do exist.  Surely it may very well be that they are just impractical or impossible for an evolved life form to make.

How about you have you done wormholes in GR?  Is the math really hard?


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: DieCommie]
    #7620515 - 11/10/07 10:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i would personally like to see the Warp Drive developed into a realistic mode of propulsion. though it has many flaws and is only theoretical, i think it would be great to ride arond in a warp bubble...*ubertrekie*


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: nobhdy]
    #7620861 - 11/11/07 12:51 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The Alcubierre Metric is a curious mathematical result that has nothing to do with the real world. Here's a simpler example of the same thing:

Say you have a square piece of plywood with a surface area of 9 square centimeters. What is the length of each side?

Well, if the square's surface area is 9 centimeters, then each side must be square root of 9 centimeters long. The problem occurs in that 9 has two square roots, 3 and -3 because 3 * 3 = 9 and also -3 * -3 = 9.

It is meaningless to say that the square in question has sides of length -3.

Alcubierre's theoretical model is the same as the theoretical negative solution to the above problem which is meaningless except as a mathematical curiosity.

This theme repeats in the concept of the Tachyon (faster than light particle) which is another mathematical curiosity that has nothing to do with reality. If tachyons existed, they would have a mass of square root of -1, which is meaningless (actually, it would be square root of -1 times some coefficient, but that's not important here).

Besides, if someone was gonna invent Warp Drive, it would be a Cuban, not a Mexican named Alcubierre. :tongue:


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: DieCommie]
    #7621118 - 11/11/07 06:04 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Nah Ive never done it, my GR professor said for kicks he might take us through a paper on it. But he never did. I cant imagine the math being that hard, or any harder than the math in GR normally is.


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    #7623755 - 11/11/07 09:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

we would also need a kickass mission. mission statement suggestions welcome. have them on my computer screen stat. i vote for, to make icecream where there previously was only sandwiches. on problem with Near LIght SPeed, is how do you dodge comets and things like that? i think we could definitely do some sort of stargate.


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Seuss]
    #7624097 - 11/11/07 11:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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> Your not safe if you dont eat....

Your definition of safe is much different than mine. For example, people that eat while driving are less safe than people that concentrate on driving while driving.




Im guessing intersteller travel would take a while weeks,months years...so it would be a good idea to eat...or be frozen..


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: strangladesh]
    #7624119 - 11/11/07 11:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

hydroponics you could even grow in soil (long live overgrow.com). a lead shell ship, with a synthetic diamond coating for hardness, radar to see/interpret/avoid obstacles, zip to the closest star as fast as you can and set up shop on any inhabitable worlds. any other problems? god im so smart


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: sleepy]
    #7624156 - 11/12/07 12:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

....

that was the most ridiculous, uneducated thing i have ever heard.

but it sounds cool:D


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: nobhdy]
    #7624331 - 11/12/07 01:24 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

open your minds to new possibilities friends


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: sleepy]
    #7624366 - 11/12/07 01:39 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

what animal should we get to drive the frigging thing? :monkeydance: monkeys?


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: sleepy]
    #7625076 - 11/12/07 10:21 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I read somewhere that the pilot-of-choice for future space missions would be octopus'.

True story.


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7625707 - 11/12/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i beleive it. i think that octopi have the potential to become far more intelligent than we are, considering their amazing problem solving skills at such a primitive stage in evolution (no social structure or communications)

so, perhaps.


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: nobhdy]
    #7626684 - 11/12/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Spelling Police: the word 'octopus' is the Latinized form of the word, not Greek. It's Greek words that are made plural by appending an 'i'.

The correct plural of octopus is octopodes. :cthulhu:

Sorry for the OT. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. :tongue:


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Diploid]
    #7628207 - 11/12/07 10:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Octopus'?


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    #7628299 - 11/12/07 10:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

That's possessive, not plural. :yesnod:


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Diploid]
    #7628304 - 11/12/07 10:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Drat.


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7632864 - 11/13/07 09:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

NASA just had a contest for some entrepreneurial scientists to turn Moon rock into breathable O2. 

Given the vastness of space I'd be willing to bet that every solar system has at least one species that has evolved to the level of humans.  I'd bet that 1/5 Humanoid species have colonized their moon and 1 out 10 solar systems have species that have colonized their own solar system.  The next step intersteller travel, has probably only been accomplished by 1/10000 of Humanoid species.  :gethigh:


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: YidakiMan]
    #7634756 - 11/14/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: interstellar travel [Re: sherm]
    #7634774 - 11/14/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

One of my favorite reasons that I dont think FTL travel is possible.

Where is everyone?


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7635598 - 11/14/07 03:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The Fermi Paradox can be easily resolved if abiogenesis is such that the new life curve peaks at 20 billion years. Since the universe is only 15 billion years old, give or take a day, we're at the leading cusp of that curve by chance. That first critter in Earth's oceans was near the head of the line.

This is plausible given our current understanding since we still don't have a clear idea of how abiogenesis even happens.

Or maybe like the Inquisition insisted, we really are at the center of God's universe... nah! :noway:


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Diploid]
    #7636137 - 11/14/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Ya, one of my favorite authors, Ray Kurzweil, goes into that idea when discussing the technological singularity. And i tend to agree with him on this subject, though i don't like it.

He says that since technologically advanced civilizations quickly go from subsistence agriculture to space travel in a few hundred years. Its absurd to think that other civilizations out in space would not hit that point before us, considering the age of the universe. If they did hit that point before us, they would be sending massive amounts of radio waves out in space (purposefully or not). Then they themselves might venture into the void of space. Surely we'd have seen evidence of this activity by now.

I don't like his answer to this problem. He says that this probably means we're the first race to become technologically advanced enough to reach the singularity.

I'm still holding out for hot space women though.


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Diploid]
    #7639229 - 11/15/07 11:18 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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The Fermi Paradox can be easily resolved if abiogenesis is such that the new life curve peaks at 20 billion years. Since the universe is only 15 billion years old, give or take a day, we're at the leading cusp of that curve by chance. That first critter in Earth's oceans was near the head of the line.

This is plausible given our current understanding since we still don't have a clear idea of how abiogenesis even happens.

Or maybe like the Inquisition insisted, we really are at the center of God's universe... nah! :noway:




I just find this hard to believe.

I'm a geologist.  I'm not a paleontologist, but I work with them every day, they have offices down the hall, and I know what they do.  I just cannot believe that life on Earth developed SO fast, but EVERYWHERE else it has taken longer?

You can say the Earth is 4.6 billion years old, which is the commonly accepted age.  But this is the raw birth date.  Like a newborn, the Earth was in no way capable of supporting life for several  hundred million years after this.  It was bombarded with impacts at a regular basis, was molten to the surface for much of this time, and in its early history was covered in gases that would be toxic to us.

But we know from the rock record that anaerobic cyanobacteria were present and producing oxygen 3.8 billion years ago.  Depending on how long you think the Earth took to become stabilized after its formation, this means that life arose, from a complete void, in 250-500,000  years.  This is INCREDIBLY quick, and is an item of constant astonishment to myself.  And bear in mind that this is a minimum age.  It is almost guaranteed that there was some type of organism present before this.  Most of our proof of this early life is not in the form of microfossils, but is instead in the form of rock types that from our understanding can only be formed by organic process'.

So yes, life evolved on Earth extremely fast.  I do not believe that Earth is anything special.  To say that we have developed life so fast, but everywhere else in the entire universe it has taken longer seems just as anthropocentric as to say that we are at the center of the universe.

Obviously, in the absence of evidence this is just conjecture.  I am not comfortable, however, saying that humanity is anything special.


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7639296 - 11/15/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I just cannot believe that life on Earth developed SO fast, but EVERYWHERE else it has taken longer?

I don't think we're the first life in the universe, but we could well be one of the first. Since we only have a sample size of one, there's no reason to believe it couldn't have happened.

It's all speculation, but SOMEONE had to be first, right?


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Diploid]
    #7639304 - 11/15/07 11:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Sure, I obviously can't say its impossible.

I'll stick by my "FTL is Impossible" idea though.

I hope I'm proven wrong.


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Nephlyte]
    #7751475 - 12/12/07 09:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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If they did hit that point before us, they would be sending massive amounts of radio waves out in space (purposefully or not).  Then they themselves might venture into the void of space.  Surely we'd have seen evidence of this activity by now.

I don't like his answer to this problem.  He says that this probably means we're the first race to become technologically advanced enough to reach the singularity.

I'm still holding out for hot space women though.





we don't know how radio waves behave in outerspace over long distances.  perhaps over the vast distances, unseen forces dissipate or deflect radiowaves from hitting the earth, thus, it appears as if there are none. 

ie.  maybe our solar system has an overall magnetic shield, like the earth has, which messes up the radio waves.  also, maybe the core of the galaxy is so super gravitational that it draws all radio waves in to it before they get to us like water swirling down a drain, because we are so far away from other stars, there is plenty of time for the waves to be drawn off.  only way to find out is to travel "out" a really far fucking distance and see if we can hear our own radiotraffic.

maybe there are whole "wavelengths" of vibration that we don't even have receivers for- super radio bands that we haven't had the time to discover.

maybe they are shunning until we stop killing everybody?  start loving each other?


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Re: interstellar travel [Re: sleepy]
    #7751804 - 12/12/07 10:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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maybe there are whole "wavelengths" of vibration that we don't even have receivers for- super radio bands that we haven't had the time to discover.

maybe they are shunning until we stop killing everybody?  start loving each other?
:hug:




I agree.  You have to consider, once the technological revolution begins, it ends in a technological singularity in a few hundred years.      So any alien society would move past our primitive radio wave system pretty quickly.  So, their primitive radio waves would've went past our planet long before we had an antenna.

And ya, i hold out a small hope that aliens fly around the universe with a prime directive about primitive societies (please excuse the star trek reference).

Sadly, i think when we get out into space, we are going to fuck up the first society we come across.


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