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hydroponics you could even grow in soil (long live overgrow.com). a lead shell ship, with a synthetic diamond coating for hardness, radar to see/interpret/avoid obstacles, zip to the closest star as fast as you can and set up shop on any inhabitable worlds. any other problems? god im so smart
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Re: interstellar travel [Re: sleepy]
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that was the most ridiculous, uneducated thing i have ever heard.
but it sounds cool:D
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Re: interstellar travel [Re: nobhdy]
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open your minds to new possibilities friends
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Re: interstellar travel [Re: sleepy]
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what animal should we get to drive the frigging thing? monkeys?
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Re: interstellar travel [Re: sleepy]
#7625076 - 11/12/07 10:21 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I read somewhere that the pilot-of-choice for future space missions would be octopus'.
True story.
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i beleive it. i think that octopi have the potential to become far more intelligent than we are, considering their amazing problem solving skills at such a primitive stage in evolution (no social structure or communications)
so, perhaps.
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Re: interstellar travel [Re: nobhdy]
#7626684 - 11/12/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Spelling Police: the word 'octopus' is the Latinized form of the word, not Greek. It's Greek words that are made plural by appending an 'i'.
The correct plural of octopus is octopodes. 
Sorry for the OT. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Diploid]
#7628207 - 11/12/07 10:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Octopus'?
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That's possessive, not plural.
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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Diploid]
#7628304 - 11/12/07 10:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Drat.
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NASA just had a contest for some entrepreneurial scientists to turn Moon rock into breathable O2.
Given the vastness of space I'd be willing to bet that every solar system has at least one species that has evolved to the level of humans. I'd bet that 1/5 Humanoid species have colonized their moon and 1 out 10 solar systems have species that have colonized their own solar system. The next step intersteller travel, has probably only been accomplished by 1/10000 of Humanoid species.
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Re: interstellar travel [Re: YidakiMan]
#7634756 - 11/14/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: interstellar travel [Re: sherm]
#7634774 - 11/14/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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One of my favorite reasons that I dont think FTL travel is possible.
Where is everyone?
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The Fermi Paradox can be easily resolved if abiogenesis is such that the new life curve peaks at 20 billion years. Since the universe is only 15 billion years old, give or take a day, we're at the leading cusp of that curve by chance. That first critter in Earth's oceans was near the head of the line.
This is plausible given our current understanding since we still don't have a clear idea of how abiogenesis even happens.
Or maybe like the Inquisition insisted, we really are at the center of God's universe... nah!
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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Diploid]
#7636137 - 11/14/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ya, one of my favorite authors, Ray Kurzweil, goes into that idea when discussing the technological singularity. And i tend to agree with him on this subject, though i don't like it.
He says that since technologically advanced civilizations quickly go from subsistence agriculture to space travel in a few hundred years. Its absurd to think that other civilizations out in space would not hit that point before us, considering the age of the universe. If they did hit that point before us, they would be sending massive amounts of radio waves out in space (purposefully or not). Then they themselves might venture into the void of space. Surely we'd have seen evidence of this activity by now.
I don't like his answer to this problem. He says that this probably means we're the first race to become technologically advanced enough to reach the singularity.
I'm still holding out for hot space women though.
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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Diploid]
#7639229 - 11/15/07 11:18 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Diploid said: The Fermi Paradox can be easily resolved if abiogenesis is such that the new life curve peaks at 20 billion years. Since the universe is only 15 billion years old, give or take a day, we're at the leading cusp of that curve by chance. That first critter in Earth's oceans was near the head of the line.
This is plausible given our current understanding since we still don't have a clear idea of how abiogenesis even happens.
Or maybe like the Inquisition insisted, we really are at the center of God's universe... nah!
I just find this hard to believe.
I'm a geologist. I'm not a paleontologist, but I work with them every day, they have offices down the hall, and I know what they do. I just cannot believe that life on Earth developed SO fast, but EVERYWHERE else it has taken longer?
You can say the Earth is 4.6 billion years old, which is the commonly accepted age. But this is the raw birth date. Like a newborn, the Earth was in no way capable of supporting life for several hundred million years after this. It was bombarded with impacts at a regular basis, was molten to the surface for much of this time, and in its early history was covered in gases that would be toxic to us.
But we know from the rock record that anaerobic cyanobacteria were present and producing oxygen 3.8 billion years ago. Depending on how long you think the Earth took to become stabilized after its formation, this means that life arose, from a complete void, in 250-500,000 years. This is INCREDIBLY quick, and is an item of constant astonishment to myself. And bear in mind that this is a minimum age. It is almost guaranteed that there was some type of organism present before this. Most of our proof of this early life is not in the form of microfossils, but is instead in the form of rock types that from our understanding can only be formed by organic process'.
So yes, life evolved on Earth extremely fast. I do not believe that Earth is anything special. To say that we have developed life so fast, but everywhere else in the entire universe it has taken longer seems just as anthropocentric as to say that we are at the center of the universe.
Obviously, in the absence of evidence this is just conjecture. I am not comfortable, however, saying that humanity is anything special.
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I just cannot believe that life on Earth developed SO fast, but EVERYWHERE else it has taken longer?
I don't think we're the first life in the universe, but we could well be one of the first. Since we only have a sample size of one, there's no reason to believe it couldn't have happened.
It's all speculation, but SOMEONE had to be first, right?
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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Diploid]
#7639304 - 11/15/07 11:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sure, I obviously can't say its impossible.
I'll stick by my "FTL is Impossible" idea though.
I hope I'm proven wrong.
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Re: interstellar travel [Re: Nephlyte]
#7751475 - 12/12/07 09:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nephlyte said: If they did hit that point before us, they would be sending massive amounts of radio waves out in space (purposefully or not). Then they themselves might venture into the void of space. Surely we'd have seen evidence of this activity by now.
I don't like his answer to this problem. He says that this probably means we're the first race to become technologically advanced enough to reach the singularity.
I'm still holding out for hot space women though.
we don't know how radio waves behave in outerspace over long distances. perhaps over the vast distances, unseen forces dissipate or deflect radiowaves from hitting the earth, thus, it appears as if there are none.
ie. maybe our solar system has an overall magnetic shield, like the earth has, which messes up the radio waves. also, maybe the core of the galaxy is so super gravitational that it draws all radio waves in to it before they get to us like water swirling down a drain, because we are so far away from other stars, there is plenty of time for the waves to be drawn off. only way to find out is to travel "out" a really far fucking distance and see if we can hear our own radiotraffic.
maybe there are whole "wavelengths" of vibration that we don't even have receivers for- super radio bands that we haven't had the time to discover.
maybe they are shunning until we stop killing everybody? start loving each other?
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Re: interstellar travel [Re: sleepy]
#7751804 - 12/12/07 10:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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maybe there are whole "wavelengths" of vibration that we don't even have receivers for- super radio bands that we haven't had the time to discover.
maybe they are shunning until we stop killing everybody? start loving each other?
I agree. You have to consider, once the technological revolution begins, it ends in a technological singularity in a few hundred years. So any alien society would move past our primitive radio wave system pretty quickly. So, their primitive radio waves would've went past our planet long before we had an antenna.
And ya, i hold out a small hope that aliens fly around the universe with a prime directive about primitive societies (please excuse the star trek reference).
Sadly, i think when we get out into space, we are going to fuck up the first society we come across.
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