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Faster than the speed of light...
    #7612038 - 11/08/07 05:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

"If you were traveling faster than the speed of light, faster than the speed of time... then there would be no time!"
1200 Micrograms- E=mc^2


What do you think of this statement? What would be the repercussions of something like that? Would you see things in reverse as you caught up to light ahead of you? Overall thoughts?


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Re: Faster than the speed of light... [Re: Dagnus]
    #7612058 - 11/08/07 06:05 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

"If you were traveling faster than the speed of light"... Stop there. You already have your answer which is you can't go faster. Maybe teleporting or some tricky science shit... but you can't move FTL.

0 x 5 x 7 x 8 x 200 = 0

See how everything after the first 0 is meaningless? That's like your question.

As far as I know anyway...


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Re: Faster than the speed of light... [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #7612066 - 11/08/07 06:09 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

RoosterCogburn said:
"If you were traveling faster than the speed of light"... Stop there. You already have your answer which is you can't go faster. Maybe teleporting or some tricky science shit... but you can't move FTL.

0 x 5 x 7 x 8 x 200 = 0

See how everything after the first 0 is meaningless? That's like your question.

As far as I know anyway...


I concur. Im not to knowledgeable about philosophy, but physics I am. Its a false premise, so any conclusion is irrelevant.


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Re: Faster than the speed of light... [Re: Dagnus]
    #7612067 - 11/08/07 06:09 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

one day i went faster than the speed of light. Good day it was.


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Re: Faster than the speed of light... [Re: TheCow]
    #7612068 - 11/08/07 06:10 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

honestly im not actually convinced that the speed of light is the fastest theoretical speed. My body rests on the complex plane, how about yours


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Re: Faster than the speed of light... [Re: Dagnus]
    #7612082 - 11/08/07 06:14 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

we all make plans
no one should be ashamed of making plans


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Re: Faster than the speed of light... [Re: TheCow]
    #7612090 - 11/08/07 06:17 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Not me Im keeping it real.


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Re: Faster than the speed of light... [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #7612095 - 11/08/07 06:18 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I'm pretty sure that scientists have propelled energy faster than light in recent, and some not so recent, experiments. That means the whole "nothing travels faster than light" thing SHOULD be bunk by now, but it hangs around because such a large portion of today's physics rests upon the assumption, and let's face it, todays physics is pretty darn accurate.

I don't think time would change at all. If I'm travelling at the speed of light, I'm just travelling fast IN time. Like you say though, as far as I can surmise you should catch up to those light rays that departed from you, and be able to see what you had previously done.


Edited by FrenziedTortoise (11/08/07 06:24 PM)


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Re: Faster than the speed of light... [Re: DieCommie]
    #7612097 - 11/08/07 06:18 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

ha keepin it real. damn, i need to to become a film studies major or something


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Re: Faster than the speed of light... [Re: TheCow]
    #7612337 - 11/08/07 07:44 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

At this point you mean we have no knowledge of how to travel faster than the speed of light. Physicists say very openly they hope to find new physics that allows it to be possible but so far no dice.


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Re: Faster than the speed of light... [Re: freepain]
    #7612678 - 11/08/07 09:25 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i read on newscientist that some scientist believe there to be a layer of space and time on top of this one. So you would go up into this layer and then drop down wherever you like and that would be like teleporting, and seemingly traveling faster than light.


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Re: Faster than the speed of light... [Re: Dagnus]
    #7613864 - 11/09/07 07:13 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

it is well known that you can go faster that the speed of light in theory, if the geometry of space allows for it

it is the velocity of an object with mass that can never go above the speed of light

the reason is that it would take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate to that velocity


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Re: Faster than the speed of light... [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #7613993 - 11/09/07 08:37 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

That's a better way to put it.

Let's say you could "space jump" or some shit where you "travel" FTL, but you are not physically "moving" FTL in real space.

If you go 186,000 miles away, and immediatly look back to where you were with a big ass telescope, then yes you would see yourself for an instant, before you jumped. That event would take one second to reach you, so you'd technically be there first.

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Re: Faster than the speed of light... [Re: FrenziedTortoise]
    #7614072 - 11/09/07 09:20 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

I'm pretty sure that scientists have propelled energy faster than light in recent, and some not so recent, experiments. That means the whole "nothing travels faster than light" thing SHOULD be bunk by now, but it hangs around because such a large portion of today's physics rests upon the assumption, and let's face it, todays physics is pretty darn accurate.




Not quite.

Imagine a bunch of people doing "the wave" in a stadium. There are two methods you can use to create "the wave". With the traditional method, each person watches the person beside them. When the person beside them stands up and sits down, then they stand up and sit down. By watching the person to your side, you are waiting for information to act upon before acting yourself. With this method, "the wave" cannot exceed the speed of light in vacuum.

Now imagine the same setup, but instead of watching the person beside you to know when to stand, you are given a watch and told to stand and sit at a specific time. With this method, the "wave" can apparently travel faster than the speed of light, but in reality it contains no information. Rather than claiming that "nothing can travel faster than light" the real statement reads "

For better understanding than I can give, do a search on "group velocity faster than light".

Given our current understanding of physics, in order to travel faster than the speed of light you must remove yourself from spacetime. (The idea of a wormhole is just this... a pathway that exists outside of spacetime.)


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Re: Faster than the speed of light... [Re: Seuss]
    #7615682 - 11/09/07 04:05 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

You could possibly travel faster than the refracted speed of light. This occurs in quantum physics with some particle. I don't remember all of the details, but some partical travels faster than the speed of light in some medium, maybe some kind of glass. And because of this it gives off this unique blue glow, or green.

Man, I really can't remember.


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Re: Faster than the speed of light... [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #7615792 - 11/09/07 04:30 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The glow that it gives off is due to Cerenkov radiation. That is the name of the radiation emitted when light is traveling too fast for its medium.

A careful distinction is in order if you are interested in the physics. Light always travels at the same speed, never faster, never slower. It doesnt matter if you are traveling or if there is a medium or anything. But there is an apparent slowing when it travels through a medium. This is because the light has to interact with the atoms. It is that interaction that slows the apparent speed. Think of it like a car that can only go 50mph when traveling. Its speed is constant, but because of traffic lights stopping it occasionally, its net speed at the end of a trip is less than 50mph.

Edit - Moral of the story is, even if it seems you can slow down light to go faster than it, you cant.


Edited by Qubit (11/09/07 06:17 PM)


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Re: Faster than the speed of light... [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #7616116 - 11/09/07 06:11 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The only known FTL phenomenon:



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Re: Faster than the speed of light... [Re: Dagnus]
    #7618732 - 11/10/07 02:11 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Dagnus said:
"If you were traveling faster than the speed of light, faster than the speed of time...  then there would be no time!"
1200 Micrograms- E=mc^2


What do you think of this statement?  What would be the repercussions of something like that?  Would you see things in reverse as you caught up to light ahead of you?  Overall thoughts?




Try this one on for size......

Once you reach the speed of light.......time stops for you.
You could go "anywhere in space/time"......in the blink of an eye, the universe would be an open book for you to read.......

if you could travel at the speed of light. :wink:


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Re: Faster than the speed of light... [Re: niteowl]
    #7618759 - 11/10/07 02:17 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

You could go "anywhere in space/time"......in the blink of an eye,

It takes millions of light years to travel to most of the stars we can see.


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Edited by Icelander (11/10/07 02:18 PM)


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Re: Faster than the speed of light... [Re: Icelander]
    #7618862 - 11/10/07 02:37 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

At the speed of light....yes.

Faster than light.........who knows???

:shrug:

It is all speculation anyway. :strokebeard:


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