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LC bought online?
    #7598213 - 11/05/07 11:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ok,
So before I knew anything about the shroomery, I had purchased two spore syringes from earthstongue.com hoping to try my luck with something different from the PESAs I have come to know and love.

So after waiting a month for my MALABAR, and PINK BUFFALO, I was shocked to see this crazy black matted mass of shit sitting inside this huge 20cc syringe.

To me it looked like matted mycelium that had somehow been dyed black. By this time I had read all the bad reviews of ET on this site, and figured that if anything, I may be at least able to germinate a couple spores, and hopefully using agar, clean up any growth I could get out of these nasty looking syringes.

So I PCed some rye quart jars, rye pint, and a couple small mycelium storage jars, one LC, and two using popcorn. "Pics coming when my wife get back with digi" When ready, and using a glove box, I knocked everything up, and placed it in the incubator at 83.7 degrees.

The NEXT DAY, mid afternoon, so it had not even been a full twenty four hours yet since inoculation, I noticed white growth everywhere there was a significant size peice of that black matted mess that came out of the syringe. These where twenty cc so the needle was actually big enough to pass this stuff.

Assuming this HAD to be the starting stages of some sort of contam, "looked like very whispy mycelium, or white cobweb sort of, I figured that I was pretty much screwed in even obtaining a clean piece to work with, but for some reason, probably because I swore that the crap inside the syringe looked so much like dyed mycelium to beging with, I decided to let the suspect growth continue just to see what it was, or to at least have some ammo to ask for my money back using pics.

So I left all that I had knocked up in the incubator for the next three days, assuming I would pull them out to find a nasty mess. I could not have been more wrong. It has been exactly four days since knocking, and every jar is at LEAST one third of the way colonized.

This stuff is without a doubt healthy white mycelium. I noticed that there are no substrains either. It is all very uniform, but none the less these jars are all healthy. So what is the deal? Do you think they are purposly selling LC's to impress their customers? I read a post on here about ET a while ago discussing something along the same lines happening to someone else, and everyone kept saying it was contam, until the entire jar finished, but I forget what the final deduction was.

I know this sounds like completel BS, but I swear on my shroomery noob reputation that this shit was growing eighteen hours after innoc, and is not a contam. Is it possible they are just using a LC solution in thier syringe so the germination process has already started before it is even shipped? I just thought this was some really funny shit considering how illegal it is for them and myself to be sending and recieving a controled substance through the mail. Any similiar experiences, or other explainations would be appreciated.

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Re: LC bought online? [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7598231 - 11/05/07 12:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

sounds to me like a normal spore syringe.

the "black mycelium" is most likely a large clump of billions of spores.

they will naturally clump together like that in an aqueous solution.

if you would have shaken it really well, or put it in an ultrasonic
jewelery cleaner or something, I bet the clump would have broken
up.

sounds normal to me.
sounds like you're mistaking spore clumps for mycelium.

just my guess though, nobody can tell without a picture.

by the way, mycelium isn't black, so it really couldn't have been an LC.


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Re: LC bought online? [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7598240 - 11/05/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That would be ileagle because Myc contains pslocybin.

Did you post on thur or fri about this as well??


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Re: LC bought online? [Re: Slimz]
    #7598370 - 11/05/07 12:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

<rubs eyes>
line breaks, dude.


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Re: LC bought online? [Re: MotorCityMadman]
    #7598423 - 11/05/07 12:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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<rubs eyes>
line breaks, dude.





for real

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Re: LC bought online? [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #7598443 - 11/05/07 01:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

it's a standard spore syringe, no vendor in their right mind would ship out lc's


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Re: LC bought online? [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7598456 - 11/05/07 01:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Glacier Creek said:
Ok,
So before I knew anything about the shroomery, I had purchased two spore syringes from edited out hoping to try my luck with something different from the PESAs I have come to know and love.

So after waiting a month for my MALABAR, and PINK BUFFALO, I was shocked to see this crazy black matted mass of shit sitting inside this huge 20cc syringe. To me it looked like matted mycelium that had somehow been dyed black. By this time I had read all the bad reviews of ET on this site, and figured that if anything, I may be at least able to germinate a couple spores, and hopefully using agar, clean up any growth I could get out of these nasty looking syringes.

So I PCed some rye quart jars, rye pint, and a couple small mycelium storage jars, one LC, and two using popcorn. "Pics coming when my wife get back with digi" When ready, and using a glove box, I knocked everything up, and placed it in the incubator at 83.7 degrees.

The NEXT DAY, mid afternoon, so it had not even been a full twenty four hours yet since inoculation, I noticed white growth everywhere there was a significant size peice of that black matted mess that came out of the syringe. These where twenty cc so the needle was actually big enough to pass this stuff. Assuming this HAD to be the starting stages of some sort of contam, "looked like very whispy mycelium, or white cobweb sort of, I figured that I was pretty much screwed in even obtaining a clean piece to work with, but for some reason, probably because I swore that the crap inside the syringe looked so much like dyed mycelium to beging with, I decided to let the suspect growth continue just to see what it was, or to at least have some ammo to ask for my money back using pics.

So I left all that I had knocked up in the incubator for the next three days, assuming I would pull them out to find a nasty mess. I could not have been more wrong. It has been exactly four days since knocking, and every jar is at LEAST one third of the way colonized. This stuff is without a doubt healthy white mycelium. I noticed that there are no substrains either. It is all very uniform, but none the less these jars are all healthy.

So what is the deal?
Do you think they are purposly selling LC's to impress their customers?

I read a post on here about ET a while ago discussing something along the same lines happening to someone else, and everyone kept saying it was contam, until the entire jar finished, but I forget what the final deduction was. I know this sounds like completel BS, but I swear on my shroomery noob reputation that this shit was growing eighteen hours after innoc, and is not a contam. Is it possible they are just using a LC solution in thier syringe so the germination process has already started before it is even shipped?

I just thought this was some really funny shit considering how illegal it is for them and myself to be sending and recieving a controled substance through the mail. Any similiar experiences, or other explainations would be appreciated.

GC





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Re: LC bought online? [Re: Slimz]
    #7598819 - 11/05/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, so now that my post has been edited for those of you who have obvious trouble reading books as well, I have a few things to clear up.

First of all I know full well what spore clumps look like in a syringe. This is something I have been doing for a few years now. People did grow mushrooms without the help of the shroomery for many years now you know......

This was fiberous clumps that look just like an old LC that has not been broken up well enough.

But it is black, as if it was somehow dyed.

When I shook the syringe "of course I shook it dude" it turned completely black.

I mean to the point that help up to a light bulb, I could not see any light through it at all.

This is not spores. It would be impossible to have so many spores dispurse from a clump that it would completely black out the syringe from any light.

Yet before I shook the syringe it was just clear water with a black mass of fiberous tissue in the middle.

I shot this stuff into a small flat tupperwear container and felt the black clumps with my fingers and there are tiny particles of what feels like sand, and other very soft fiberous tissue.

I have orded several times from ralphs and lil shop, and have seen the occasional spore clump, but never anything even somewhat close to what this looks like. I saved enough of the malabar, that I promise I will get a pic on saturday.

And none of this explains how the hell I had HUGE growth in less than twenty four hours. This is impossible!

I mean everwhere this soft black tissue touched had white fibers growing out in all directions until it grabbed a piece of substrate, then started forming normal patterned mycelium.

I shot these jars at six pm on thurs, and saw this growth at 3 pm the following day.

This is not spores... It can't be....

I have rarely even seen my LC innoculations take off this fast.

Yet my jars are about half to 3/4 of the way colonized now.

If you have nothing to add here except to tell me I dont know what Im talking about then please just keep it to yourself.

I do know what Im talking about, and when I fruit the jars that spawned in twenty or so hours, maybe someone will be able to actually shed some light on this.

And No it wasnt me posting about this earlier. This is my first thread on the subject.


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Re: LC bought online? [Re: jeetered]
    #7598842 - 11/05/07 03:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

jeetered said:
it's a standard spore syringe, no vendor in their right mind would ship out lc's




Standard spore syringes have gravel in them, and turn totally black when you shake them?

So black that it stains all the substrate in the jar where it was inoculated?

So I guess none of the vendors on this site sell "standard" spore syringes in your opinion?


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Re: LC bought online? [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7598920 - 11/05/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Some growers have reported very fast 'colonization' with extremely dark syringes. Healthy, fresh spores will begin to germinate within 20 minutes of being placed into grains or agar.

What hasn't ever been reported is nice flushes from very dark syringes. Any time you have thousands of substrains, at least a few will be non-compatible and won't merge into a single organism, which inhibits fruiting.

In addition, since no print is completely sterile, the more spores, the more contaminants that go along for the ride, thus often the contamination rates are higher.

However, even a dark syringe shouldn't turn totally black, and none should have gravel. If there's no sectoring, it's likely that it was a culture syringe, as you suspect.
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Re: LC bought online? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7599026 - 11/05/07 03:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That was the strangest part about it. No sectoring at all. The gravel material almost seems like it could have come from compost. It would make it very handy to have something like this in a LC because being much heavier than the water, it would cut up a fair amount of mycelium when shaken.

I did not know that spores could germinate as quickly as twenty minutes, so I am not ruling out that it is just a over packed spore syringe with some other crazy shit added to it for looks.

I just dont understand the gravel like material mixed into the black mass.

This seems much more like my LC syringes I made in the past from BRF jars that I simply shot with 15 CC of distilled water, and sucked back 10 right before spawning the cake.

I would use this to innoc my other jars with live culture. I would always get little bits of verm, and BRF in the syringe though as a result, so the mycelium would continue to grow, and would eventually become over matted, and just a plain mess because of all the other debris inside.

This is exactly what this looks like, just a much larger syringe, and something black added to " black out" the syringe to either :

A. hide the live culture so that no one buying them would any the wiser, and who is going to complain about EXTREMELY fast results.
Or
B. Just to darken the water to make it less suseptable to light damage to the spores.
or
C. A cheap trick to make you think it's making it less suseptable to light damage to the spores. "A likely choice"

I just don't know.

Either way, I am going to have to pay special close attention to the final result, and report.

It would be terrible to be the one guy who gets busted recieving live culture.

That is my biggest concearn.

Other than that, if they are selling overpacked syringes that will result in unstable growth as RR indicated could be the other scenario, all should be warned "AGAIN" to stay away from this company.

As if that needed to be said.

GC


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Re: LC bought online? [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7599038 - 11/05/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

One drop of that solution on a microscope slide would answer your question for sure.
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Re: LC bought online? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7599126 - 11/05/07 04:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

So, pics?


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Re: LC bought online? [Re: mebesideme]
    #7599524 - 11/05/07 06:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry my wife is visiting family with our camera until friday. But i saved about 4cc and let it settle so I can take before shaking and after shaking shots so you can see what I mean about the "black out".

I wish I had a microscope, then maybe I could actually pretend I use these spores for microscopic research.

But yes, pics soon. I wont use any more solution until I get this all documented.

Could I shoot a slide, and send it to someone? Is that possible to do without it getting destroyed?


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Re: LC bought online? [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7611778 - 11/08/07 03:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

so what is it?


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Re: LC bought online? [Re: KoDeInE]
    #7611803 - 11/08/07 03:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

just as weird as my lc going crazy in less then 24 hours........i think the vendors are cousins............lol.......or we both had weird luck.....


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