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Slimz
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And in this corner...
#7611032 - 11/08/07 12:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Can myc win in a battle for a cake??
For instance lets sat there is a cake with a contam. That contam is eating the same shit the myc is.. once all the cake is colinized, what happens?
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Re: And in this corner... [Re: Slimz]
#7611075 - 11/08/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would think the contam's growth would depend on the temp.. Some suggested if the temp is kept at mid 70's during incubation, this would dramatically retard the contam growth while sustaining normal growth for myc. After the cake is 100% colonized, you might see small patches of contamination and if you still let that cake fruit, I'd think you might be taking a chance with shroom quality.. I'm sure someone else might have a slightly better answer, I'm only speculating..
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Re: And in this corner... [Re: c0_hush]
#7611107 - 11/08/07 01:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just use these jars for spore prints, and toss the mushrooms afterwards. Since it's not really safe to eat them, you pretty much need to throw them out, but the spores are still perfectly safe (as far as I know), as long as you remove the contam before the veil breaks (so you don't risk getting mold spores in with your good spores on your prints).
You don't have to worry about "wasting" good mushrooms on spores, and you have a use for half-contaminated jars. I'm no professional, but it has worked for me in the past.
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Slimz
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whats the big deal with eating a mushroom that grew next to a contam?. we eat mushrooms that grow in the wild..
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Re: And in this corner... [Re: Slimz]
#7611130 - 11/08/07 01:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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some would attribute that to poisoning yourself or asking for a bad trip
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mycocurious
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Re: And in this corner... [Re: Slimz]
#7611156 - 11/08/07 01:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Slimz said: whats the big deal with eating a mushroom that grew next to a contam?. we eat mushrooms that grow in the wild..
depends on the type of contaminate, some can/will cause food poisoning, especially the bacterial variety. Most fungal contaminates (often the same ones that are in your pantry/bread-baskets) are only parasitic to your mycelium which can destroy flushes...
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Re: And in this corner... [Re: drwatson]
#7611169 - 11/08/07 01:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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huh?? Eating molded or otherwise spoiled food is not healthy, but is not a severe threat either. Most bacteria and molds will not survive the acid in your stomach
source http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/mole00/mole00264.htm
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Re: And in this corner... [Re: mycocurious]
#7611173 - 11/08/07 01:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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mycocurious said:
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Slimz said: whats the big deal with eating a mushroom that grew next to a contam?. we eat mushrooms that grow in the wild..
If you follow the priceless guidelines offered on this site, there is no reason to. Also, some people don't eat wild mushrooms.
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Re: And in this corner... [Re: Slimz]
#7611184 - 11/08/07 01:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know little about molds, but from what I have read (and I prefer to go with benefit of doubt), it's the by-products of molds that can be harmful, not the mold itself. Further, mycelium can distribute this throughout a cake, which is why I do not, and would advise not to eat anything that grows from a contaminated cake. As I mentioned before though, the cake doesn't have to be a waste. I still grow them (separately) and collect spores.
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Ever heard of mycotoxicosis?
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Re: And in this corner... [Re: Fraggin]
#7611209 - 11/08/07 01:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah but im talking mold here not fungus..
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Re: And in this corner... [Re: Slimz]
#7611220 - 11/08/07 01:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mycotoxicoses are diseases caused by mycotoxins, i.e. secondary metabolites of molds.
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Slimz
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Re: And in this corner... [Re: Fraggin]
#7611223 - 11/08/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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oh.. oops...
but not your basic cobweb molds (i looked it up)
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Re: And in this corner... [Re: Slimz]
#7611227 - 11/08/07 01:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Molds are fungi.
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Mold --------- From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This article is about the fungi known as molds. Slime molds and water molds are not fungi and are discussed in separate articles. For other uses, see Mold (disambiguation).
Molds (or moulds, see spelling differences) include all species of microscopic fungi that grow in the form of multicellular filaments, called hyphae.
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Slimz
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yeah i got that.. my bad.. i was refering to highrer fungi and mold seperately..
At any rate you standard contaminated cake (web mold) probably WONT fruit, but if it does, the fruit is fine.. I would eat it with no problem..
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Re: And in this corner... [Re: Slimz]
#7611318 - 11/08/07 01:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was always wondering this too, you would think if it's healthy enough to fruit then it's relatively safe to eat.. but you could always just inoculate another jar.
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Re: And in this corner... [Re: Caribou_Lou]
#7611356 - 11/08/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Caribou_Lou said: I was always wondering this too, you would think if it's healthy enough to fruit then it's relatively safe to eat.. but you could always just inoculate another jar.
True, but why waste it.. at LEAST you could dry the fruot and do an extraction using ethanol ...
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Re: And in this corner... [Re: Slimz]
#7611414 - 11/08/07 02:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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lol, this has gone way overboard.
1. nearly every form of grain-based food product you bring home is going to have bacterial endospores and/or several species of fungal and mold spores already within it... Buy a bag of bread sometime and never open it, and watch happens within a month's time.
2. none of the species listed above create mycotoxins, careful of the fear mongering.
3. if either of these things concern you, you should not be eating mushrooms of any kind, at all.
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Re: And in this corner... [Re: mycocurious]
#7611506 - 11/08/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Great .. so in other words.. dont waste good shrooms...
I would not eat a shroom that itself was covered with mold, but not because i fear the mold.. just because that would be eating fungus wich is gross... (j/k)
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Re: And in this corner... [Re: Slimz]
#7611567 - 11/08/07 03:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Also, I read that the contams we get indoors don't really appear in the wild so even tho other bacteria might grow next to shrooms outdoors, it's not the same as the ones indoors and might effect (or not) a human differently.
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Re: And in this corner... [Re: c0_hush]
#7612026 - 11/08/07 04:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't know about eating the mushrooms but I know I wouldn't' fruit a cake that was contaminated. Good luck avoiding something like the green in future projects after letting a cake with it sit in a FC spewing spores all over the FC and the room with FAE.
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Re: And in this corner... [Re: mycocurious]
#7612281 - 11/08/07 06:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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mycocurious said: lol, this has gone way overboard.
2. none of the species listed above create mycotoxins, careful of the fear mongering.
3. if either of these things concern you, you should not be eating mushrooms of any kind, at all.
Mycotoxicosis can, does and will happen with growers who are not careful with contaminations.... See this thread... http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3454667/an/0/page/0
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Re: And in this corner... [Re: spock1]
#7612398 - 11/08/07 07:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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"unless your allergic to penicillin", Somthing to keep in mind as many are.If you eat them, make sure it's only you!, don't pass around.IMOA. Here's something on penicillin.
Penicillins and cephalosporins are also the most common causes of drug allergy. About 10% of Americans report an allergy to penicillin or a related antibiotic. While penicillin allergy most commonly occurs in young adults, reactions can occur at any age. Women appear to be at higher risk than men. Approximately 300 deaths can be attributed to penicillin allergy each year in the United States. Symptoms of an allergic reaction to penicillin may include anaphylaxis, hives, below-the-skin swelling, asthma symptoms, as well as non-allergic symptoms such as serum sickness, certain forms of anemia, and other drug rashes.
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I always hear that mold spores will mess up future grows but my friend never has problems and we find really nasty stuff in the corners of his room sometimes like green and black sandwiches that smell strongly like meat (but no meat in the sandwich). There are definitely a lot of mold spores in his house but he pretty much never gets contams.
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