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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: Seuss]
#7623004 - 11/11/07 06:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seuss said: So, unless you have a few hundred billion dollars to flush away for the good of mankind, you have no reason to invest in the technology and every reason not to.
If I had a few billion dollars I would flush it away for the good of humanity, but I guess it is that kind of thinking that gets in the way of me making a few billion dollars.
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: lonestar2004]
#7626467 - 11/12/07 04:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I hope both parties wake up and move towards utilizing hemp fuel. Then we won't have to worry about anwar and Iraq, and save billions of dollars at the same time. Anwar is irrelevent.
The question isn't " should they drill in anwar?". The question is, " Why Should we be using fossil fuels still when there is a better option?"
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7626790 - 11/12/07 05:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Exactly. The question shouldn't be, "Where is more oil going to come from?", but rather, "What source is going to be utilized for energy instead of fossil fuels?"
I can see the future....
People FREEZING TO DEATH because the cost of heating oil has outstripped their ability to pay....Lots of dead bodies..
The Democrats will scream Americans have a RIGHT to heat!"
Then they'll tax the fuck out of the rest of us so the Democrats can buy heating oil for people that can't afford it.
All because the Democrats acted to MAKE it so expensive in the FIRST place!
This is all about CONTROL.....
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: lonestar2004]
#7626894 - 11/12/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said: I can see the future....
People FREEZING TO DEATH because the cost of heating oil has outstripped their ability to pay....Lots of dead bodies..
The Democrats will scream Americans have a RIGHT to heat!"
Then they'll tax the fuck out of the rest of us so the Democrats can buy heating oil for people that can't afford it.
All because the Democrats acted to MAKE it so expensive in the FIRST place!
This is all about CONTROL.....
And people think it's the liberals who are fear-mongering moonbats.
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: Silversoul]
#7626914 - 11/12/07 05:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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And people think it's the liberals who are fear-mongering moonbats.
this moonbat understands The law of supply and demand....
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: lonestar2004]
#7626937 - 11/12/07 05:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Apparently you don't understand the supply part very well.
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: Silversoul]
#7627034 - 11/12/07 05:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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oh please, Without political interference, the energy crisis would be would not be as bad.
We have an abundance of oil, natural gas, coal, and nuclear potential. Most of our energy potential is off limits.
Most of our energy potential is off limits.
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: lonestar2004]
#7627042 - 11/12/07 05:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Higher taxes, higher taxes, no drilling, no refineries, no gasoline, no nukes for you, there now it’s all fixed.:)
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: lonestar2004]
#7627092 - 11/12/07 06:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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oh please, Without political interference, the energy crisis would be would not be as bad.
Indeed. Big Oil would not receive all the subsidies it currently gets, and we would have moved to alternative fuels a long time ago.
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We have an abundance of oil, natural gas, coal, and nuclear potential. Most of our energy potential is off limits.
Most of our energy potential is given an unfair disadvantage because of government subsidies for their preferred energy sources. Nuclear power would take a nose dive in a competitive market.
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Higher taxes, higher taxes, no drilling, no refineries, no gasoline, no nukes for you, there now it’s all fixed.
Taxes are MUCH lower than they were 30 years ago, and we seemed to be doing fine back then. And I'll gladly take ethanol or biodiesel over gasoline.
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: lonestar2004]
#7627554 - 11/12/07 07:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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IMO the Federal Government needs to get out and let the environmentalist and private industry come up with something.
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fusion...the links are in the thread.
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: afoaf]
#7628175 - 11/12/07 10:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: lonestar2004]
#7628890 - 11/13/07 04:39 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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> IMO the Federal Government needs to get out and let the environmentalist
Most environmentalists are as bad as the federal government, if not worse. Eco-terrorists for the most part. (I do not include environmental scientists under this blanket accusation.)
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: gluke bastid]
#7628895 - 11/13/07 04:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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If I had a few billion dollars I would flush it away for the good of humanity, but I guess it is that kind of thinking that gets in the way of me making a few billion dollars.
I couldn't have said it better.
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: Seuss]
#7629558 - 11/13/07 09:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > IMO the Federal Government needs to get out and let the environmentalist
Most environmentalists are as bad as the federal government, if not worse. Eco-terrorists for the most part. (I do not include environmental scientists under this blanket accusation.)
MOST environmentalists? I happen to know quite a few of them(and happen to be one myself). Justify your claim, sir. I'm particularly interested in how you define "eco-terrorism"(lest I be sent to Gitmo for wanting clean water and air).
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: Silversoul]
#7629771 - 11/13/07 10:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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oh, firebombing hummer dealerships, housing developments, spiking trees...that type of shit.
[edited: no loggers have been killed from tree spikes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_spiking)]
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7629795 - 11/13/07 10:55 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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jonathan_206 said: I hope both parties wake up and move towards utilizing hemp fuel. Then we won't have to worry about anwar and Iraq, and save billions of dollars at the same time. Anwar is irrelevent.
The question isn't " should they drill in anwar?". The question is, " Why Should we be using fossil fuels still when there is a better option?"
Go hemp!
Well I sort of agree but not entirely. I don't agree that ANWAR is irrelevent. The truth is that the US consumes an insane amount of oil, and there is evidence to suggest that there is a lot of oil in that part of the world.
Take into consideration that wildnerness preservation is maybe the only Federal Government Program that I am behind 100%. I don't even feel like I need to waste any time describing why we need the government to protect certain tracts of wilderness. If you don't agree you never will.
However, when I look at the situation in the middle east, I ask if that is a reasonable price to pay for oil. The answer is no, not when there are energy alternatives. The fact that the government hardly spends any money on renewable energy, yet pours billions of dollars directly into the oil industry and then guts open Iraq to domestic oil interests drives me insane every time I think about it. This sort of behavior has to stop and it has to stop NOW.
I would be in support of drilling in ANWAR if it were part of an overall move towards lessening our dependancy on foreign oil and increasing our dependancy on simple, clean, renewable energy sources. Wind, Solar, Water, and Fusion, and a cap on coal power plants with federal laws in regards to scrubbers in the smoke stacks (to both reduce pollution across the board but also to create a fair playing field across state lines). Politicians talk about this kind of stuff but it is all bullshit. Both Dems and Republicans know that oil is key to keeping America relatively prosperous, and no one in any real position of power is going to find a way to make this happen. The cost is just too high.
So it should be obvious to anyone that ANWAR drilling is not such a maneuver towards lessening our foreign oil dependance. America is a mutilated oil-junkie, covered in track marks, and Alaska is merely the untapped penis vein. If we opened it up for drilling tommorow we would still be protecting our overseas oil access. The government and the oil industry will not stop pursuing oil until the bottom drops out.
However I am optimistic. I am actually optimistic that the collapse of oil will simply let the renewable energy market explode. For that reason, part of me wonders whether or not we should speed the coming of collapse. If the only way to control the oil market is to take it out back and have it shot in the head by federal legislation on behalf of the pathetic democratic party, well than that is just what we have to do. Maybe we can at least have some wilderness left and won't have to intervene in the Middle East anymore.
This was a ramble. I'm not entirely sure if I believe what I am saying, but thought I might throw it in here.
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: Silversoul]
#7629811 - 11/13/07 10:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > IMO the Federal Government needs to get out and let the environmentalist
Most environmentalists are as bad as the federal government, if not worse. Eco-terrorists for the most part. (I do not include environmental scientists under this blanket accusation.)
MOST environmentalists? I happen to know quite a few of them(and happen to be one myself). Justify your claim, sir. I'm particularly interested in how you define "eco-terrorism"(lest I be sent to Gitmo for wanting clean water and air).
Yeah, what are you saying Seuss? That most environmentalists are eco-terrorists? Or there is no difference? Please elaborate.
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