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Dems hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling
#7610276 - 11/08/07 09:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://www.nwherald.com/articles/2007/01/06/news/nation_and_world/doc459f963bd6166014589236.txt
Dems hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling
WASHINGTON (AP) – Opponents of oil drilling in an Alaskan wildlife refuge are going on the offense after playing defense for a quarter of a century.
They want the new Democratic Congress to make an oft-challenged drilling ban permanent.
Legislation introduced in the House on Friday would make the oil-rich 1.2 million-acre coastal strip of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge a permanently protected wilderness, and end repeated efforts to open the area east of the Prudhoe oil field to energy companies.
“The consensus is that there should not be drilling in the refuge, so the logical next step is to pass legislation which turns it into a wilderness,” Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass., chief sponsor of the legislation, said in an interview.
Markey has introduced similar legislation in each of the last three congressional sessions.
However, the House has approved drilling in the refuge a half dozen times, only to see the effort die in the Senate, where supporters couldn’t muster the 60 votes to overcome a likely filibuster.
This time, with Democrats in the majority and a number of moderate Republicans on record as opposed to drilling, Markey believes that he has a good chance in the House to go one step farther and declare the refuge permanently off-limits to oil development.
A co-sponsor of the bill is Rep. Jim Ramstad, R-Minn.
Cindy Shogan, executive director of the Alaska Wilderness League, also says this time is different.
“What’s changed is we won’t have those daily assaults” from pro-drilling forces, she said. “We are definitely on the offense.”
Environmentalists said they plan to mobilize the same people that have fought drilling proposals in past years behind the Markey-Ramstad legislation.
Two years ago, when Republicans expanded their majorities in both the House and Senate, the likelihood of opening the refuge to oil development gained new momentum. It already had been a top energy priority of President Bush since 2001.
“Many people had written the obituary for the refuge,” said Melinda Pierce, legislative director of the Sierra Club. But a concerted push by pro-drilling forces fell short.
Now Markey believes the momentum is going the other way.
“We now have a majority of House members that have publicly said they oppose any drilling in the refuge. In the previous Congress we were battling the Republicans in the majority who wanted to drill.”
Environmentalist know that in the Senate they will need 60 votes to get the wilderness designation, with the filibuster threat coming from Republicans this time. Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, who has battled to open the refuge to oil drilling for a quarter century, has not given up.
The coastal strip of ANWR, as the refuge is commonly referred to, is believed to contain 10.5 billion barrels of oil, approaching the size of the Prudhoe Bay field to the west. At peak production the refuge could supply 1 million barrels a day by 2025, according to the Interior Department.
On the other hand, to environmentalists and conservationists the refuge’s coastal strip represents the ultimate wild place to be protected. They compare it to the Serengeti in Africa because of the wildlife that abound: polar bears, musk oxen, caribou and millions of migratory birds that fly there as part of their annual migration.
Drilling proponents argue that modern technology can limit the footprint on the coastal tundra and develop the oil without disturbing the wildlife.
Bush, who called for opening the refuge during his 2000 presidential campaign, repeatedly has said its environment can be protected alongside oil rigs. He views the refuge’s oil as essential to lessening America’s dependence on foreign energy sources.
Markey disagrees.
“Our addiction to oil is real (but) drilling in the refuge would amount to a declaration that we remain in denial about this addiction,” he said.
“There are some places in our world that are so rare and so special, that we have a responsibility to protect them.”
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The bill is H.R.39
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The Democrats hate oil, nuclear,wind, and coal...they want $5.00 a gallon gas....
In the meantime..east of the our artic border the Canadians are drilling like hell. .
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Re: Dems hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: lonestar2004]
#7610316 - 11/08/07 09:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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> The Democrats hate oil, nuclear,wind, and coal...they want $5.00 a gallon gas....
I hate pollution, thus I dislike oil, coal, and nuclear. Wind has potential, but we must be careful of impacting wildlife. I already pay $4.00 a gallon for gas... and I am not a Dem. I think your assumptions are a bit loose.
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Re: Dems hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: Seuss]
#7610395 - 11/08/07 10:00 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > The Democrats hate oil, nuclear,wind, and coal...they want $5.00 a gallon gas....
I hate pollution, thus I dislike oil, coal, and nuclear. Wind has potential, but we must be careful of impacting wildlife. I already pay $4.00 a gallon for gas... and I am not a Dem. I think your assumptions are a bit loose.
What irony....
You remind me of my grand-mother in west palm beach. She also hates oil, coal, and nuclear and has contributed thousand of dollars to politicians and environmental groups to make sure America does not drill oil offshore Florida.
"It was announced that China has entered into a billion-dollar agreement with Cuba for oil exploration offshore. We cannot drill 100 miles offshore in the Gulf of Mexico, but China will be."
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/opinion/sfl-brmail915pnnov07,0,4292270.story
my grandmother is not happy....
I told her maybe if we're lucky, we'll buy some oil from Fidel Castro some day soon!
The irony is that the Chinese drilling offshore Florida is a serious environmental hazard.
Do u really think the Chinese are concerned about the ENVIRONMENT?
They are not even equipped to deal with any potential ecological disaster as a result of a spill.....
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Re: Dems hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: lonestar2004]
#7610408 - 11/08/07 10:04 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's a much wiser investment to start looking into alternative fuels now than delay the inevitable. BTW, I don't see how China's oil drilling is a factor here.
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Re: Dems hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: Silversoul]
#7610438 - 11/08/07 10:14 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Silversoul said: It's a much wiser investment to start looking into alternative fuels now than delay the inevitable. BTW, I don't see how China's oil drilling is a factor here.
"It's a much wiser investment to start looking into alternative fuels"
I agree!
But the reality is the world needs energy NOW! And if we don't produce regulated clean energy someone else will produce unregulated dirty energy.
And the world is smaller than you think....
"In early April, a dense cloud of pollutants over Northern China sailed to nearby Seoul, sweeping along dust and desert sand before wafting across the Pacific. An American satellite spotted the cloud as it crossed the West Coast. Researchers in California, Oregon and Washington noticed specks of sulfur compounds, carbon and other byproducts of coal combustion coating the silvery surfaces of their mountaintop detectors. These microscopic particles can work their way deep into the lungs, contributing to respiratory damage, heart disease and cancer. Filters near Lake Tahoe in the mountains of eastern California "are the darkest that we've seen" outside smoggy urban areas"
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/business/worldbusiness/11chinacoal.html?ex=1307678400en=e9ac1f6255a24fd8ei=5088partner=rssnytemc=rss
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: lonestar2004]
#7610604 - 11/08/07 10:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Proposed coal plant in western Kansas is rejected
http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/323833.html
"Delivering a stunning victory to those concerned about global climate change, Kansas’ top regulator rejected a proposal to build a coal plant in western Kansas."
Hypocrites...
Meanwhile The Chinese are currently building one new UNREGULATED coal-fired power plant every week to ten days.......
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: lonestar2004]
#7610623 - 11/08/07 11:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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So, we should compete with the Chinese to see who can pollute more? Sounds like a losing strategy to me.
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: Silversoul]
#7610673 - 11/08/07 11:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: So, we should compete with the Chinese to see who can pollute more? Sounds like a losing strategy to me.
even that Dumbass Barrack Obama understands what i am trying to say...
"And we must find a way to stop coal from polluting our atmosphere without pretending that our nation's most abundant energy source will just go away. It won't."
"Already, some coal pollution from China's dirty plants is making its way to California. That's why we must invest in clean coal technologies that we can use at home and share with the world."
Barack Obama
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: lonestar2004]
#7610702 - 11/08/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wind energy holds much greater promise, as does geothermal. However, the real energy solution is rather than building new power plants to instead have several buildings supplying their own electricity via photovoltaic cells and specially designed windmills for roofs. Wind power is also great for rural areas, as farmers can opt to have them on their farmland and make extra money each month selling electricity to the grid.
BTW, Obama was talking about the latest buzzword: "clean" coal technology. The problem is that not a single clean coal plant has yet been built, I see nothing in that article indicating that this proposed coal plant would be any different.
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: lonestar2004]
#7610718 - 11/08/07 11:26 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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If we dumped the money that we are putting into securing oil interests (i.e. war on terror) into fusion research, there would no longer be an energy problem. However, a whole lot of very wealthy people would immediately lose their monopoly.
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: Silversoul]
#7610721 - 11/08/07 11:27 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Texas leads US states in installed wind power
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: lonestar2004]
#7610725 - 11/08/07 11:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said: Texas leads US states in installed wind power
Yes, I'm aware of that. And I must grudgingly admit that Dubya had a lot to do with that. If only he could apply that lesson nationwide.
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: Seuss]
#7610765 - 11/08/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I hear ya.
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: Seuss]
#7610767 - 11/08/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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they are only a few mil short for the working prototype...I can't find the link but it could be a reality if we'd throw some small change at the project.
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: afoaf]
#7610808 - 11/08/07 11:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think we can solve two problems at once
Instead of wind power we just have 500 acres worth of hamster wheels. Any illegal immigrant caught who doesn't want to get deported can run , run and SPINNNNN their way to an early citizenship!
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: BrAiN]
#7610810 - 11/08/07 11:46 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am George Bush, and I support this message.
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: Seuss]
#7610843 - 11/08/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Seuss said: fusion research,
what type of fusion?
Nuclear fusion power? The environmentalists would never allow it.
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: BrAiN]
#7610849 - 11/08/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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you're a mess...
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: Seuss]
#7610901 - 11/08/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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omg, I can't find the information on the american scientist who has been driving this research.
he passed away recently
they have a working model that has proven successful in scaled trials but they require like 2mil to get the full scale model built and running.
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Re: Dem's hope to ban Alaskan oil drilling [Re: lonestar2004]
#7611034 - 11/08/07 12:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said:
what type of fusion?
Nuclear fusion power? The environmentalists would never allow it.
Fusion power does not result in any pollutants, nor is it dangerous in the manner of Fission. Proven functioning nuclear Fusion technology is the holy grail for any environmentalist, and the pandora's box for any oil baron.
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