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RR - Clarification on rest periods between flushes...
    #7609077 - 11/07/07 09:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I've noticed you mentioning the rest period between flushes often enough that I tried searching the archives for all cites related to it to see if I could find clarification on one issue but it looks like I'm going to have to ask the question directly...

During the several days that I allow the mycelium to rest, I understand that the humidity should be cut to something around the 60% range to allow it to dry out some and it makes sense that I should keep my FAE as strong as possible as well, but should I change my lighting in any way or should I leave it 12 on / 12 off with my 6500K (daylight) fluorescents? My gut tells me to leave it as it is and only cut my ultrasonic fogger - which would drop the humidity down to 60% while keeping the FAE around 12-20 exchanges per hour (every 3-5 minutes)...

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RogerRabbit said:
You need to be thinking about more than the casing. That's just the non-nutritive top layer that is over the substrate. It's the substrate that needs to get rested and recuperated prior to the next flush, not the casing.

After you pick a flush, it's best to let the cased substrate sit idle for a few days without misting or anything else. Let it just sit and dry out a bit. During this time, the mycelium will 'rest' so to speak, so don't do anything to try to force it to fruit again. After four or five days, you can soak the whole thing by filling the tray up with water, and either let it sit in water for a few hours, or preferably, allow the faucet to gently run into the tray, overflowing it for a few hours. The running water is superior to still water because it hydrates the substrate better and also washes away contaminant spores that may be present.

After the soak period, you can fill in any divots you created while picking, but don't re-case the whole substrate. Now, place back into fruiting conditions and watch the pins explode. Crappy second flushes are often caused by trying to force a substrate right back into fruiting mode as soon as a flush is picked, which is bad procedure.
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After picking a flush, allow the substrate to 'rest' for several days to a week. Let it dry out somewhat during this time. A substrate will not flush again right away. After the 'rest period', give it an overnight soak to bring the moisture content back up and place into fruiting conditions. Dunking right away is counterproductive because the mycelium is dormant for a few days and the dunk only supplies moisture to the contaminant molds that might be present, then it dries out before that moisture is actually needed for the next flush.
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figgusfiddus said:
Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.


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Re: RR - Clarification on rest periods between flushes... [Re: mycocurious]
    #7609435 - 11/07/07 11:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Nothing is set in stone, it's just something I've observed with lots of species. Most don't flush again for several days anyway, so during the time, let the substrate rest, and then give a soak to rehydrate and set back into fruiting. It more closely simulates natural the environment they evolved in, and helps to send out a stronger flush.
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Re: RR - Clarification on rest periods between flushes... [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7609993 - 11/08/07 05:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I've done this in the past when I was using a terrarium in my living room and the rest period was nothing more than not misting for two or three days.  Even took the time and tested it out by allowing a couple trays to rest before their dunk while the others were dunked immediately, the rested trays flushed several long days before those that were dunked immediately.  It was all the proof I needed...

However, now that I have much more control over the various environmental conditions I thought I would ask, just to be clear.  If nothing else, it'll make the thread more easily searchable.  :shrug:


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figgusfiddus said:
Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.


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Re: RR - Clarification on rest periods between flushes... [Re: mycocurious]
    #7694651 - 11/29/07 12:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Bump,


Great advice. Thanks guys. I was going about things all wrong.


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Re: RR - Clarification on rest periods between flushes... [Re: mycocurious]
    #7695594 - 11/29/07 04:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Just a quick question here. Would you recommend the "rest" technique after the first flush on cakes as well? So, wait a few days before I dunk for example?
You metioned doing it with trays, but i assume its recommened for cakes too?
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Re: RR - Clarification on rest periods between flushes... [Re: spitstix]
    #7696395 - 11/29/07 06:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yes.
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