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Man wanted to show his friends a mushroom was not poisonous, in intensive care [SPAIN]
    #7609014 - 11/07/07 09:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

A Badajoz man wanted to show his friends a mushroom was not poisonous, and ended up in intensive care for two days
November 7, 2007 - typicallyspanish.com

A 45 year old man from Fuentes de León in Badajoz, José Manuel Hidalgo, ate some mushrooms to show they were not poisonous, and ended up in intensive care.

It happened last Sunday during an open day being held in the village, which had been proceeded by a day of mushroom collecting and display.

The victim got into an argument with other locals as to how lethal wild mushrooms could be, with a poster warning that as little as 20 grams could be fatal. José Manuel did not believe it, and suddenly to prove his point, started to eat the ‘amanita phalloides’ mushroom. On the second bite he showed symptoms of being drunk, and continued to claim the mushroom was not fatal.

An ambulance was called but it took considerable argument before the patient finally agreed to be taken to hospital in Zafra, Badajoz. By this time he had turned yellow and started to vomit.

He spent two days in the intensive care unit, and finally was allowed out onto the ward on Tuesday afternoon amid concerns that his liver may have suffered permanent damage.


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Re: Man wanted to show his friends a mushroom was not poisonous, in intensive care [SPAIN] [Re: veggie]
    #7609028 - 11/07/07 09:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

haha wow. the irony.


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Re: Man wanted to show his friends a mushroom was not poisonous, in intensive care [SPAIN] [Re: veggie]
    #7609134 - 11/07/07 10:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Man wanted to show his friends a mushroom was not poisonous, in intensive care [SPAIN] [Re: veggie]
    #7609412 - 11/07/07 11:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

guess he ate his words along with the mushroom.


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Re: Man wanted to show his friends a mushroom was not poisonous, in intensive care [SPAIN] [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #7609458 - 11/07/07 11:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

He showed that mushroom.


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Re: Man wanted to show his friends a mushroom was not poisonous, in intensive care [SPAIN] [Re: todesengel]
    #7609655 - 11/08/07 12:51 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hah, I bet the village will trust his word from now on :smile:


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Re: Man wanted to show his friends a mushroom was not poisonous, in intensive care [SPAIN] [Re: Jorsher]
    #7609669 - 11/08/07 12:58 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

anyone else notice the description of his symptoms are not consistant w/ amanita poisoning?

Drunk by the second bite? Ill by the time the ambulance arrived? wtf?

While I belive they can cause slight hemolysis, the major factor is the RNA polymerase inhibition. So why is he drunk by the second bite?

This news report seems like it was either making stuff up, or the locals weren't as observant as they appear.


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Re: Man wanted to show his friends a mushroom was not poisonous, in intensive care [SPAIN] [Re: johnm214]
    #7609979 - 11/08/07 05:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> anyone else notice the description of his symptoms are not consistant w/ amanita poisoning?

Yep... symptoms usually don't appear for at least ten hours or more after ingestion... then they go away for a day, then they come back and the victim dies.


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Re: Man wanted to show his friends a mushroom was not poisonous, in intensive care [SPAIN] [Re: Seuss]
    #7610020 - 11/08/07 06:16 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well, the media exaggerates, but the jaundice and vomiting DO match liver failure.


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Re: Man wanted to show his friends a mushroom was not poisonous, in intensive care [SPAIN] [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7610035 - 11/08/07 06:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> but the jaundice and vomiting DO match liver failure.

Which does not occur until around two days after ingestion of amanita phalloides. One of the reasons why that particular mushroom is so insidious is that it tastes good and the symptoms are slow to show. Once they do show, it is too late to do anything.

Edit: Actually, the vomiting usually occurs around 10 hours after ingestion, but then goes away leaving the person feeling fine. The jaundice/liver failure occurs around 48 hours after ingestion, leaving the person dead... so you go from eating the mushroom and feeling fine, to feeling sick around ten hours later, to feeling fine for a day or two, to dead.


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Re: Man wanted to show his friends a mushroom was not poisonous, in intensive care [SPAIN] [Re: Seuss]
    #7611558 - 11/08/07 02:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, that's what I was saying... the symptoms match, but the timeline doesn't.


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Re: Man wanted to show his friends a mushroom was not poisonous, in intensive care [SPAIN] [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7611983 - 11/08/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yeah... even if you surgically remove the liver, you'll be fine for a day or two till you show symptoms. I belive jaundice is billirubin accumulation... this takes some time.


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Re: Man wanted to show his friends a mushroom was not poisonous, in intensive care [SPAIN] [Re: johnm214]
    #7612204 - 11/08/07 05:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Perhaps he showed symptoms because he was at the village down the road 2 days earlier showing them the same thing...  :strokebeard:


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Re: Man wanted to show his friends a mushroom was not poisonous, in intensive care [SPAIN] [Re: SaulGood]
    #7613857 - 11/09/07 06:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> Perhaps he showed symptoms because he was at the village down the road 2 days earlier showing them the same thing... :strokebeard:

Could be, but I suspect "sensational journalism" is the real culprit.


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Re: Man wanted to show his friends a mushroom was not poisonous, in intensive care [SPAIN] [Re: Seuss]
    #7617491 - 11/10/07 02:05 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The answer is that he didn't eat amanita phalloides. I've had mush poisoning that presented in exactly the same manner. I never did find out what species it was through.


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Re: Man wanted to show his friends a mushroom was not poisonous, in intensive care [SPAIN] [Re: PoetFirst]
    #7618051 - 11/10/07 09:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The guy was probably drunk to begin with, they just noticed his stupor by the second bite. Sounds like drunken idiot bravado to me.


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