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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #7610877 - 11/08/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Your brain has "filters" that block and regulate stimuli. These filters keep stimulus input such as sound from being sent to the wrong part of the brain. It stops sound (hearing) from being interpreted as light (sight). One of the known effects of most psychedelics is that they bypass these filters. Meaning that senses can get mixed up and also that senses can become "extended". Some people even perceive extra spatial dimensions. Sometimes called seeing things in 4D or 5D.

Ever get the prism effect while on lsd? You know, when you look at a bright white light you can see the rainbow of colors in a halo around it. Thats simply your brain interpreting all the colors in the white light versus how your brain would normally see it if it was first filtered by other parts of the brain. Your brain normally sees it as "white" because its easier to distinguish from other colors rather than seeing the rainbow in everything that is white.

The human brain functions by memory as the number one reaction to stimuli. Ever walk down a street then you notice a cat in the corner of your sight. When you look over it isn't a cat but instead a rock or a log? That's your brain taking stimuli (sight, blurry at that since it was in your peripheral) and picking the best thing from memory. However when you look and focus on the object, those filters come into play and you see what is there and not what you (or your subconscious) thought was there. LSD puts your brain into a temporary "what if" mode. So when you're tripping and music is playing , you might be able to see or feel the sounds because your brain is saying "what if i send sound input to the sight receiver", "oh wow sounds look nice" etc.

This bypassing of the brain's filters is also why people feel that "connectedness" with things and the world in general. You brain has been taught since birth that you are an individual, separated from everything else. Bypassing that filter allows you to sense and feel that unity among all living things, the Earth and the Universe as a whole.

Some would argue that those filters are what make us human. Those filters both contributed to the rise of civilization, but civilization also gave rise to new filters.

Don't think a high dose of LSD would "rid you of humanity". I think LSD/Psilocybin etc only bypass maybe 1% or 2% of the filters we have.

Please don't take all I have written too much to heart , it is mostly my opinion backed by some facts and claims I have read in various articles about the psychedlics.




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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #7611126 - 11/08/07 01:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

the sensible thing Desimone is saying is that multiple neurons are involved.
but there is no red neuron, per se.
the interest in some redness, is based upon associations with previous images, and experiences.
the characteristic presence of red is like sounding a cord, initially it's location in the field of view may not be important.
holographically the view is jumbled - like a kaleidoscope, and the red signature (like a chord) runs throughout the mental event in the brain.
additional activity upon the red detection is important in the process of seeking something that is associated with the redness.
both sensation and memory are involved.
additional neuron activity is related to combined gestalt image configurations both from sensory input and memory/associated gestalt patterns.

the example given is less about filtering and more about conditioning. the experiment confirms additional mental activity when a conditioned event occurs.

the area to examine is how associative memory and holographic processes are related to experiencing. Filtering is for water, and the term relates back to a time when we understood very little about psychology and neurology, and we treated everything like plumbing

Emphasizing Mental Filters is like Emphasizing Logic, these are not actually mental operations.
We do have association, and we do have feelings with that (i.e. pleasure, pain, indifference) - the habits or learning are associative, even the logic is just habituated phrasing in a sequence - what is refered to as filters is raw association (motif matching).

During a period of time (Short Term Memory... ~4 or 5 minutes) events in mind create a context of association. This context could be considered as a positive filter, but it is much more of a generator than a filter, nothing is damped out by it per se.

Anything related to the recent 4 or 5 minutes in the stream of consciousness has more associative potential than unrelated (random or distant) ideas in general.

Things outside of the 4 or 5 minutes and unrelated to the associations that are close to this experiential stream can be very hard to remember, even inaccessible, but they are simpley not connected with what is happenning.

Things inside the 4 or 5 minutes of the recent stream of consciousness are nearly equal in associative potential (most recent is higher potential), and you can have a conversation that jumps around multiple issues or related threads that have started within this period with no trouble at all.

It helps to view all this more as a dynamic associative stream than as a filtering of what is there. It does not block any remote associations, they are simply remote from the context of the stream.

This view also helps better understand how set and setting work with psychedelics


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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7611291 - 11/08/07 01:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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This view also helps better understand how set and setting work with psychedelics




Very well written reply! It does help understand how set and setting work with things like LSD. On a recent LSD trip I was walking down a road which was covered in leaves. Farther down that road there were no leaves, however for the rest of my trip whenever I looked down at the sidewalk or road I saw leaf patterns covering the surface. I believe that is a perfect example of the association you were talking about. It also backs your point that its more like a generator. It was infact not filtering things out, but instead generating the leaf patterns my brain believed should be there due to the recent input.

Back to the topic at hand. During a very high dosage mushroom trip I once tasted the color blue. Or I at least believe I did. This only occurred when I would touch something that was blue. I got a very odd taste in my mouth. Me and a friend did a test. I closed my eyes and he would hand me an object. I tasted nothing. If I opened my eyes and saw that it was blue the taste would return. Upon repeating this test I would taste the blue again even with my eyes closed if he handed me the same blue object. This was without looking at the object. This further adds to the support that it has more to do with association than with the actual stimuli.

Finally blue is a much nicer color than it is a taste. It reminded me of a chalky plastic taste similar to "New Car Scent" but with more of a freshly opened plastic toy smell/taste. No I don't taste plastic toys but you know what I mean.

Thanks for the info redgreenvines and kudos!


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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: Somatic]
    #7612078 - 11/08/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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When I am shroomin, I can feel the waves of visuals, and they even rock me a little bit, usually followed by the appropriate "whoa"




I know exactly what you are talking about. I call it "getting slapped in the face by psilocybin."


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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: Somatic]
    #7616509 - 11/09/07 07:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

This is exactly what my first trip was like.

1 hit of smoked Salvia ~25x

Sweet Home Alabama playing out in the living room.

IIn Birmingham they love the governor
Now we all did what we could do
Now Watergate does not bother me
Does your conscience bother you?
Tell the truth


That took over my existence and my senses. Time controlled by music!? How in the-?

Holy shit. I had no idea of what the hell was going on. I could feel all of the visuals that I saw, and they moved with the music and controlled my thoughts. The music hits a high note and my visuals jump up, my awareness increases. I breathe in and my consciousness expands.

I had it happen every dance with Salvia after that first one. Every time it happened, a bit more uncovered from the last. Jumping between trips. Bad trips, good trips, all ultimately the same trip.


...Then I took Acid on the 4th of July. I had this crazy synesthesia explode around me after I merely thought about my first Salvia trip. This was 3 hours into a 2-hit dose.

Not only did the music and my surroundings and all of my senses twirl into one "universal sense" that essentially became me and my existence, but as I spoke (despite a fleeting ego) I was able to control it. Essentially, I began to narrate every aspect of my trip mate's and my existence.

This has happened to me on all of my trips, except for the occasional small-dose trip. I've come to see that all of the trips are somehow strung together, and in the midst of one of them, you can step between them. The mindset from the previous trip sets in. And it's all the same, eternal trip. ALl the while, there go my senses, dancing with the music and controlling the extent of my consciousness.

I've had reality turn purple. And orange. I even saw a rainbow pour out of the kitchen faucet. And all of it has been tied intrinsically into my trip and my senses.

Fun stuff. Terribly frightening the first time, but eventually it gets easier to take. I had so much trouble letting go. Even when I know its all just a trip I still occasionally get anxious that I'm going to fall into that loop of sense-entaglement. Then I realize that that's really the goal, and I'm just freaking myself out.

I've noticed my CEVs to do the same thing to me.


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I may have gone a bit too far, I fear
Will I get out of it this time?
What was I thinking, taking this leap
I thought I knew where we would go
If only I knew, I had no idea.


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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: Somatic]
    #7673855 - 11/24/07 08:21 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

OK granted iv never dosed that high.But i got to argue about the dude who said he spoke to a dude in a language he didn't speak?I don't doubt you guys communicated you were in each others head.But cmon its like 5 hits i speak french Merci be cu 7 hits is Portuguese como via? 9 hits Spanish Mucho gusto!!11 hits i speak and see god.Very informative post guys other than that!!PEACE!!!


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