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Silent_Echo
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Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals??
#7608599 - 11/07/07 07:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok let me start off by explaining what I'm talking about. Ive tried explaining to my friends, but they have never taken more than 2-3 hits at a time..When I'm on extremely large doses of LSD (in the 6-10 hit range, maybe 500-900mics) i can SEE the music, and the "pattern" as i call it that is on everything coincides with the music notes being heard...i believe this to be because music is essentially "sound waves" which is also essentially energy right?
I believe this pattern you see on higher doses of LSD (you can see it on low doses too but its harder to define) is Alex Grey's depiction of the "net of being" or the fabric of existence maybe, i don't know, i know its energy because when I'm outside during a storm it goes NUTS because of all the energy in the air..now this of course is all speculation on my part and just what i have come to believe..
With that said i took 10 hits of potent liquid i would assume to be in the 100-150 range at least, and i had a beautifully amazing trip..it wasn't that much stronger than 5, 6, 7, 8, and then i jumped to ten, it seems you don't really get too big of a mind fuck as the dose increases if you can handle yourself and don't freak out because someone said "OMG you just ate 10 hits of ACID?!!?!" because that really isn't that much if you think that some people have eaten a thumbprint and other massive doses like that and lived to tell the tail and still be sane. It seems as the "dose" increases it just takes you "deeper" whereas in my experience with mushrooms as the dose gets bigger your freaking mind goes NUTS! and its hard to focus your thoughts and energy into one pattern of thoughts. they seem more sporadic and random than organized and web-like on CID. Well on 10 hits i was in a different "plane" than i was on any other LSD dose i have ever done. One of the noticeable effects i saw was that the "pattern" not only moved and grooved with the music, but would become 3-d and shift and morph with the music, (kinda like that 3d flying objects screen saver for windows) well to get to the point, i ACTUALLY could FEEL THE PATTERN move across my skin! During an intense part of a song, the pattern gets really "tight" and grips you, but when it gripped me like it always has before, it ACTUALLY gripped me! I swear i could feel it move on my arms in the areas where i could see it. like it was pulling my skin not hard, but gently. I just know i could DEFIANTLY feel it move across me.
I know some of you might not understand what I'm talking about here, but i think its because like i said that pattern is just the web of life, its existence as we know it, and thats why when weird things happen, say someone drops something and it startles you, the pattern does a weird "shift" i have sat alone and experimented with it. And the songs you hear, well you hear them coming out of the speakers and you know that sound is energy, and the speakers have energy pumping through them just to make the sound, being as it IS vibrations. Do you think the vibrations of the sound are transfered into this "energy net" (so hard to describe this) and because EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED in life do you think that is why you can "feel" it? and at such a high dose i could not only FEEL it affect my emotions and physical movements, but i FELT IT ON ME! I really cant describe what I'm trying to say but i know there is someone out there who has eaten close to 1000 mics too and might have experienced what i have, which i think is just a simple transference of energy from your speakers through the "pattern" and to the atoms in your body. I guess you just cant normally FEEL the music unless its LOUD and its actually "pumping" on you like with bass or something. But since your senses are heightened on LSD do you think its connecting you PSYCHICALLY with the music? not just emotionally?
Please if you have any input i would like to hear it, and i will repost more if i can find someone on here that can halfway understand my post..thanks guys
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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: Silent_Echo]
#7608642 - 11/07/07 08:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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dude i know exactly what you are talking about ... the 3d thing and all .... like everything is in your face breathing but then inflating back into the objects and moving side to side like your in a house of mirrors and the halls are tight and the mirrors are all fucked up looking... but ya i know what you mean dude i experienced this on 12 hits of mr clean paper... i really shouldnt have eatin that much because it was one of those learning experience nights and lets just say it broke me down but it was kool to get close to the realm that some have with thumb prints and what not because i know people have done some large doses... but ya dude that night was amazing in every un-enjoyable and pleasurable aspect...
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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: camelsmoker]
#7608653 - 11/07/07 08:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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uh yeah duh

also you both have oversoul as an avatar weirdness
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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: notapillow]
#7608669 - 11/07/07 08:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dude im looking for "why" not duh...not trying to be mean, but i am wondering how you can feel it on you, not just "everywhere" which could be because of the sythesia but IN THE AREA you see it? it just boggles my mind and most of the trip was trying to figure out how i was "connected" to my speakers...then it dawned on me, im made of up atoms and so is the speaker...and we're both connected to every atom on earth in a strange way, and when you vibrate something you can feel it..just strange how "structured" it was...
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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: Silent_Echo]
#7608684 - 11/07/07 08:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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salvia usually goes like that sensation and patterned visuals in lockstep unification synaesthesia. lsd to a lesser extent but I never took 10 hits
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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: Silent_Echo]
#7608698 - 11/07/07 08:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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yup.. profound and unexplainable is all i can say and ya i photoshopped my avatar a little bit.. thought it looked neat...
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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: redgreenvines]
#7608721 - 11/07/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a vial of 20x right now, and ive done it several times..and i know what your saying but the LSD was a COMPLETELY different feeling than that...you feel connected, but also isolated if that makes sense on salvia, but the LSD made you feel CONNECTED and the exact opposite of isolated, i felt like whatever i touched was an extension of myself, i could manipulate the pattern by thinking the riffs to a song (i think this is because even thoughts are energy thats why some people believe that telepathy will one day be possible if not already with evolution) if your "making" the energy instead of the speaker, then its there for everyone to see if they are dosed...
OK this is extremely neat, and i was waiting to get into it to make sure someone understood, but i see you guys do...well my friend and i have done an experiment, where since you can "think" of the riffs to a song (say free bird solo) in your head, and the pattern will move in correspondence to the sounds that would be heard, well my friend could also see it, and to make sure that he wasn't "bullshitting" i thought of a song, and it would do its thing, and then i would actually play 3 different songs, ONLY 1 of which was the correct one, and he was able to pick the right one...NOW HOW THE HELL IS THAT POSSIBLE? that blew our minds..we came down that night and told everyone and they didn't believe us, said we ate too much acid and needed to go to the "loony bin" but i swear if it is doing one thing for a certain person, if the other person is on your level they also see the same thing...but thats a known fact, so what happens when you throw the "mind games" into it like we did? It was crazy because he could "see" my thoughts as in the form of music..does this make sense? please someone tell me they are following along..i have wanted to tell someone else this stuff so bad, and i have no one else to discuss things like this with...
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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: camelsmoker]
#7608723 - 11/07/07 08:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pffft, thats nothing.
On salvia once i saw 2 arms attached into my back, which i physically felt attached to me, and i had eyes in each of my 4 arms.
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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: camelsmoker]
#7608724 - 11/07/07 08:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, I remember not just feeling my visuals which were spiraling trails but it having a physical effect on the environment like making water spin and cats running in step with me, and other strange shit. Plus there was the time I was talking to someone in their language all night without knowing it. Yes, stuff can happen on acid.
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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: camelsmoker]
#7608743 - 11/07/07 08:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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the same reason you can "feel" bass. to put it simply, it's mostly the acid making all of your nerves super super sensitive, and opening the doors of perception so to speak to stuff that normally is filtered out because it's bothersome, unimportant, etc.
sound is simply vibrational energy transfered via mass, so while acid does lend itself to synesthesia as well as hallucinations, chances are you were actually feeling the music absorbed and reflected by your skin/body.
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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: Silent_Echo]
#7608747 - 11/07/07 08:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sometimes I see people become part of a psychedelic pattern, or sometimes I feel like i am a part of it.
I never really understand why but I associate it more to the abyss. The everything-ness.
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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: Phishe]
#7608781 - 11/07/07 08:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah definitely... there's this thing called "synaesthesia" which is a blending of the senses--which sorta implies to me that the senses are not as distinct as we are taught they are.
Smell and taste are the same thing (or close, anyway) if you think about it long enough...
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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: Querjek]
#7608884 - 11/07/07 09:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i think all your senses are are just "recievers" that pick up signals and when your crank up the "gain" on your recievers then you can pick up all kinda shit that is just "overlooked" and chillin out there...kinda like if you left your radio on 104.5 all day..then you never know there are other "frequencies" out there...
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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: Silent_Echo]
#7609827 - 11/08/07 02:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your brain has "filters" that block and regulate stimuli. These filters keep stimulus input such as sound from being sent to the wrong part of the brain. It stops sound (hearing) from being interpreted as light (sight). One of the known effects of most psychedelics is that they bypass these filters. Meaning that senses can get mixed up and also that senses can become "extended". Some people even perceive extra spatial dimensions. Sometimes called seeing things in 4D or 5D.
Ever get the prism effect while on lsd? You know, when you look at a bright white light you can see the rainbow of colors in a halo around it. Thats simply your brain interpreting all the colors in the white light versus how your brain would normally see it if it was first filtered by other parts of the brain. Your brain normally sees it as "white" because its easier to distinguish from other colors rather than seeing the rainbow in everything that is white.
The human brain functions by memory as the number one reaction to stimuli. Ever walk down a street then you notice a cat in the corner of your sight. When you look over it isn't a cat but instead a rock or a log? That's your brain taking stimuli (sight, blurry at that since it was in your peripheral) and picking the best thing from memory. However when you look and focus on the object, those filters come into play and you see what is there and not what you (or your subconscious) thought was there. LSD puts your brain into a temporary "what if" mode. So when you're tripping and music is playing , you might be able to see or feel the sounds because your brain is saying "what if i send sound input to the sight receiver", "oh wow sounds look nice" etc.
This bypassing of the brain's filters is also why people feel that "connectedness" with things and the world in general. You brain has been taught since birth that you are an individual, separated from everything else. Bypassing that filter allows you to sense and feel that unity among all living things, the Earth and the Universe as a whole.
Some would argue that those filters are what make us human. Those filters both contributed to the rise of civilization, but civilization also gave rise to new filters.
Don't think a high dose of LSD would "rid you of humanity". I think LSD/Psilocybin etc only bypass maybe 1% or 2% of the filters we have.
Please don't take all I have written too much to heart , it is mostly my opinion backed by some facts and claims I have read in various articles about the psychedlics.
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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#7609883 - 11/08/07 03:35 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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SORRY about your brain ideas being romatic, popular and incorrect.
filters are not organic parts of the brain, they are learned processes. except for the reticular formation which can act as a blocker to all signals to and from the spinal column.
(Learned signal enhancement and jamming is mostly from cerebellum originated wave forms used to block or resonate with some input, or memory.)
The lsd prism is from visual field persistence and overlay combinations. Around the lights, the overlay has wave form interference which will throw up rainbows and banding.
All basic Psychedelic effects are from greater persistence of signals due to longer fadeouts of each signal. secondary effects come from layering together of the persisting signals. Signal sources include sensation and memory. The greater the dose the longer the persistence, AKA trails and tracers, and multiples kalaidoscopes, & grids.
Animals have as much filtering capability from their reticular formations, and they also use learned jamming and enhancement from their cerebellar timing circuitry. Their senses are differently endowed and bodies shaped differently and generally much less brain tissue is involved per individual.
humans just have greater compexity and potential to do a lot more speaking and typing etc. from more brain tissue per individual.
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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: Silent_Echo]
#7609915 - 11/08/07 04:10 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ever sinse i encountered something like that universal mind lattice visual on a 12 hit dose, i've been able to run into similar visuals on trips in the 300-500mcg range. And yeah you do feel it, its very tactile. It seems to pulse through my body and veins and even rest on my skin. As mentioned above i think its cause your senses are so turned on that you can feel things that would previously of been unregistered. And yeah thoughts have to be energy, i mean thats what conciousness is basically made up of, and thoughts i think are little electrical blips in it. Thats why when you get reach that clear void state of mind, beyond all the patterns and stuff when your not even trying to percieve anything around you, it just feels like oneness, or white light, unstructured energy.
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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: Ohmn]
#7610075 - 11/08/07 07:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think that there is no 'inside' or 'outside' to our perceptions per se, so that one can in fact perceive their sensorium at a distance, and there's no proof that that isn't also really the way it is.
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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: redgreenvines]
#7610817 - 11/08/07 11:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: filters are not organic parts of the brain, they are learned processes.
humans just have greater compexity and potential to do a lot more speaking and typing etc. from more brain tissue per individual.
When did i say they were organic parts of the brain? I didn't, please read what I wrote and not what you think I wrote. Brain filters are both learned and instinctual. Not all filters have to be learned.
An excerpt from a MIT paper:
"Neurons specialize as to what they detect best. A "red" neuron gives off a stronger signal when red appears in the field of view, and the signal is even stronger if the monkey is actively searching for red. Moreover, if the monkey is searching for a red object, red neurons turn up their activity before the eyes even move toward the red item, as if the louder signal were calling: Look over here! "We think the yelling neurons are commanding the eyes to move toward a feature that matches something in the mental image," Desimone says.
Even so, the ability of a neuron to raise its lone voice does not explain how it gets heard over the cacophony of all the other neurons. "We think it's not just a question of the individual neuron," he says. "It's how it cooperates with other neurons to make their voices heard. We showed that to increase the signal, the neurons synchronize their activity."
Desimone uses the analogy of a room full of people talking. If random individuals raise their voices, the room just gets louder. If a group of people starts chanting in unison, their voices rise above the background noise."
Neurons firing together = filter in play. Neurons firing on their own = filter bypassed.
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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: Silent_Echo]
#7610833 - 11/08/07 11:51 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I definitely "feel" the visuals. I love to listen to some music, close my eyes, and dance to what I'm seeing and feeling. When you do this you can REALLY feel forces around you, guiding you into making certain motions. It's a really cool feeling..
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Re: Can anyone else "FEEL" their visuals?? [Re: MorphMan]
#7610863 - 11/08/07 11:55 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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When I am shroomin, I can feel the waves of visuals, and they even rock me a little bit, usually followed by the appropriate "whoa"
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