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peyote
    #7607508 - 11/07/07 03:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

im thinking of growing a peyote, as a sort of "project".

i know they take about 5 years to flower, is this when they start producing mescaline? or am i being incredibly stupid.

also, how much do peyote seeds go for? or is it advisable to grow from a cutting?

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Re: peyote [Re: haymaker]
    #7607542 - 11/07/07 03:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

peyote seeds are quite expensive, cheapest source i know of sells 100 seeds for £7.50, could be cheaper if u know someone who has lots of plants that produce seed of course :wink:

they should be of flowering maturity in about 5 years when grown from seed, depending on growth conditions of course :yesnod:

as for mescaline production, the older the better... i guess young specimens will produce mescaline, but their size means that u would have to eat many...


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Re: peyote [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7607543 - 11/07/07 03:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

trichocereus are a much better and more sustainable source for mescaline as they grow faster.


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Re: peyote [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7608900 - 11/07/07 09:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

why not gorw em? they are great cacti. seeds are pretty pricey, but very variable, just search around on the net. like uare said, maturity will depend on your growing conditions.


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Re: peyote [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7609350 - 11/07/07 11:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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uarewotueat said:
trichocereus are a much better and more sustainable source for mescaline as they grow faster.




do they have higher levels of mescaline?


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Re: peyote [Re: headofmike]
    #7609450 - 11/07/07 11:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

sometimes as much as 3x.
    but then again when they are 15 feet tall they have WAAAY more.
  another thing to think about is a Trich can produce at least a dose per year.
  and if you do plan on eating them Trichs arent endangered.
  they are also legal to grow :cool:
I love my Trich collection :heart:


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Re: peyote [Re: cpw1971]
    #7609769 - 11/08/07 01:41 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

the chemical makeup of Lophophora and trichocereus is very different, not just the mesc when it comes to peyote.


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Re: peyote [Re: kadakuda]
    #7609817 - 11/08/07 02:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If you grow peyote, you can graft it to increase the growth rate. But that usually means less alkaloid production, so the best bet is to grow for a year from seed, graft onto a trich you just pillaged for a trip, leave it for another year, then cut it off and let it regrow it's root system and produce some alkaloids. This will take at least another year. It's still a drawn out process though.

If you cut the cactus just above ground level new pups will form around the root you leave in the ground. Or you can turn the root upside down and graft it onto another trichocereus and it will grow pups.


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Re: peyote [Re: headofmike]
    #7609896 - 11/08/07 03:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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headofmike said:
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uarewotueat said:
trichocereus are a much better and more sustainable source for mescaline as they grow faster.




do they have higher levels of mescaline?




no.
peyote has around 50 different alkaloids as well as higher levels of mescaline than any trichocereus.


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Re: peyote [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7609901 - 11/08/07 03:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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If you cut the cactus just above ground level new pups will form around the root you leave in the ground. Or you can turn the root upside down and graft it onto another trichocereus and it will grow pups.




an important addition to this statement: dont forget that the cactus will need aeroles to pup from.


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Re: peyote [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7609990 - 11/08/07 05:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

hehe. and williamsii can take a while to pup, i have some that are about 1 year after cutting with no pups (yes i left areoles hehe). others like fricii and diffusa are pretty quick in my experience.


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Re: peyote [Re: kadakuda]
    #7610087 - 11/08/07 07:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

how different is the alkaloidal makeup between the different lophophoras?


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Re: peyote [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7610662 - 11/08/07 11:13 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

dunno, don;t think it has been studied in depth until now. as far as i know they are still researching that (Lophophora genus). people say diffusa has little mesc, but i am not sure.


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Re: peyote [Re: kadakuda]
    #7616007 - 11/09/07 04:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

dont eat the peyotes they take so long to grow alot of people
change their minds...plus i heard they taste worst than pedro..
now pedro tastes like shit..i CANT IMAGINE how peyote tastes like


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Re: peyote [Re: wutang]
    #7617605 - 11/10/07 03:56 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

haha, thanks for all the replies. i think ill get me a couple of peyotes for fun, and maybe a pedro or two then :wink:


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Re: peyote [Re: haymaker]
    #7621174 - 11/11/07 07:18 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

My peyotes which are grafted to pereskiopsis pup within 2 weeks of removing buttons, granted i leave areoles.


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