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hello, i picked these last night.
    #7607105 - 11/07/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think that the first one may be a fly agaric. but im not sure.

Im unsure of the second.



Habitat- found growing in what appeared to be a field for either horses or cattle. grew near trees in the grass.

Stem- about an inch in diameter, some are half an inch. the shorter ones have fatter stems, the longer with skinnier. theres a white fluffy ring around the stem about halfway down.

gills- white.

Cap- red with white dots covering it. 2-3 inches in diameter. convex or flat.

Bruise color- Im guessing a deeper red.

Spore print- White.

sorry about the pic being a little blurry.



Habitat- found growing in the same field near dung, but not in dung.

Stem- looks wood, copper or rust colored. about 2 inches long. maybe a centimeter in diameter.

Gills-peach rose color, i think attached and unattached.

Cap-Tan, has a dimple at the tip. about an inch and a half in diameter.

bruise- I think a darker brown.

Spore print- almost transparent, white.

thats all of it. Any help is much appreciated.


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Re: hello, i picked these last night. [Re: secondarycolors]
    #7607112 - 11/07/07 02:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

something that might be important to add. there was a pond next to where i picked them. I forgot to add that.


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Re: hello, i picked these last night. [Re: secondarycolors]
    #7607156 - 11/07/07 02:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

those are amanitas in the top photo, but impossible to say if they are a. muscaria for sure without a good shot of the base of the stipe.


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Re: hello, i picked these last night. [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7607192 - 11/07/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)



I realized I didnt get a good pic of the underside of the shroom. so here you are.


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Re: hello, i picked these last night. [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7607193 - 11/07/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

as uarewotueat poin out , the base of the stem is the most importan feuture to get corect id in amanita muscaria the volva should have concentric ring in the base of the stem and a boulbous base call volva.......

the second specie look like marasmius ,nice spore print in both and nice id request.....


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Re: hello, i picked these last night. [Re: cactu]
    #7607217 - 11/07/07 02:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)



heres another image


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Re: hello, i picked these last night. [Re: secondarycolors]
    #7607264 - 11/07/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i think i can see concentric rings of scales at the base of that, difficult to make out clearly though...


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Re: hello, i picked these last night. [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7607384 - 11/07/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The first is probably A. muscaria, though the details at the base of the stem are still a little hard to see.

The second species is Laccaria amethystina.


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Re: hello, i picked these last night. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7607391 - 11/07/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

looks very like a. muscaria!


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Re: hello, i picked these last night. [Re: haymaker]
    #7607916 - 11/07/07 05:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i don´t think those are amethystina. does not have the purple gill that never fade as the cap, maybe is a laccaria , could be but no amethystina, since they are pin have the purple blue gill and stay like that even when they beging to produce spores..


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Re: hello, i picked these last night. [Re: cactu]
    #7608518 - 11/07/07 07:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> i don´t think those are amethystina.

You are absolutely correct again.

Thanks for noticing, I really appreciate having someone double check my work.

> does not have the purple gill that never fade as the cap, maybe is a laccaria

It is a Laccaria for sure, the purple color and fibrous look of the stem + wide gills makes me certain of that.

> could be but no amethystina, since they are pin have the purple blue gill and stay like that even when they beging to produce spores..

Another reason it can't be amethystina is that this specimen was found in the PNW, but amethystina only grows in the eastern US. Its really interesting how so many species that grow in the eastern US but not the west are also found in Mexico. You probably find this species all the time and knew right away that it wasn't amethystina.

It is this one:

http://www.mushroomexpert.com/laccaria_amethysteo-occidentalis.html

The gills in L. amethysteo-occidentalis fade to lilac in age.


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Re: hello, i picked these last night. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7608701 - 11/07/07 08:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

ALAN SAID:sorry cap on don´t worry cc..

You are absolutely correct again.

Thanks for noticing, I really appreciate having someone double check my work......

me too ,not too many people notice my work :rasta:

It is a Laccaria for sure, the purple color and fibrous look of the stem + wide gills makes me certain of that.

i´m not convince of that be that either, maybe  we should check other genus like clitocybe or perhaps the all mighty collybia ...

i guess we are needing more pictures from the top of the cap and ask the good friend here if the gills are really purple i doubt it, and he said are pinkish , still not convince i´m even trying other genus , recheck , re check,:typing:


Alan said:Another reason it can't be amethystina is that this specimen was found in the PNW, but amethystina only grows in the eastern US. Its really interesting how so many species that grow in the eastern US but not the west are also found in Mexico. You probably find this species all the time and knew right away that it wasn't amethystina.

look  i don´t want to ruin your reputation, but as mj will said i don´t like people  to spread misinformation on this site..so what i will give is the doubt to be a  laccaria some lacata have some purple-pinkish ting in the gills but i see this ones more clear.. but give you the doubt. is not that laccaria either if you don´t find a new one will start thinking is another genus, marasmius was a good bet in the first place also ...:fishing:.i can only doble check and not supost to give advise that will be cheating ..rules mean to be broken ..


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Re: hello, i picked these last night. [Re: cactu]
    #7608765 - 11/07/07 08:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I don't see why you don't think this is Laccaria amethysteo-occidentalis. Seems like a good match to me.

Doesn't look like any Collybia or Marasmius that I have seen.


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Re: hello, i picked these last night. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7608797 - 11/07/07 08:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

because  doesn't have the deep purple gill of Laccaria amethysteo-occidentalis:igor: don´t you have other types of laccaria over there i bet so , you have to do your job , the goverment pay you well for it ,i´m only get  to doble check your work , will have to make a report , :tokeeporder: .and the mexican goverment in not so funny.


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Re: hello, i picked these last night. [Re: cactu]
    #7609603 - 11/08/07 12:24 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)



I think this might be a better picture of the base of the stipe for clarification.


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Re: hello, i picked these last night. [Re: secondarycolors]
    #7612950 - 11/08/07 09:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

alan you may like to check this page it has many laccarias , i bet one of those is this one,my options are laccata var.bicolor,then laccata var.pallidifolia,nobilis, pumila. i did not read the description but the pictures are similar whis one you pick for this one .......:cool:
http://www.fieldmuseum.org/research_collections/botany/botany_sites/fungi/mushroom.html


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    #7613091 - 11/08/07 10:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: hello, i picked these last night. [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #7613163 - 11/08/07 10:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

what are you here , w.h.o a.r.e .y.u..o.
i think you were in the bwiti sesions


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