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InvisibleSwami
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Enculturation and Choice
    #760639 - 07/20/02 12:56 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Most all of us are so deeply enculturated that it is impossible to separate the two. Don't believe me? Ask 100 American men what they think about women with unshaved armpits and 99 will respond "That's gross." and believe that they are stating a personal preference rather than a cultural bias.

When I was in Tonga in the Fijian Islands, I met a girl who thought she was unattractive because she was slender. Most of the islanders are quite beefy. I found her to be the MOST attractive woman that I met on the island.

Personal preference may not be personal at all, but totally borrowed. Why do most people raised in the 40s and 50s find Frank Sinatra to be cool, but heavy metal or hip-hop or trance to be unlistenable trash (or vice versa)?

Our choices may not be our choices after all.


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no shit Sherlock [Re: Swami]
    #760680 - 07/20/02 01:49 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Don't mind me - I'm a firm believer in destiny and the illusion of free will...so the way I see it everything is pre-determined (meaning of course, there is no such thing as personal preference as far as I'm concerned) So I'm not trying to belittle your observation or anything, just pointing out the fact that to me it's blantently obvious.



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Re: Enculturation and Choice [Re: Swami]
    #760682 - 07/20/02 01:51 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

LOL, good point...

I think it has something to do with consciousness and perception. I mean, the late 60's must of been somewhat similar to the way things are today, for me at least. I also happen to enjoy music from that era, even though I wasn't alive during it...
The consciousness then was probably pretty similar to how it is for me now.
I'm an evolved hippie, I guess.


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Re: Enculturation and Choice [Re: Swami]
    #760683 - 07/20/02 01:52 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

you mean to tell me that i'm a product of my enviroment? nawwwwwww


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Re: Enculturation and Choice [Re: Swami]
    #761652 - 07/20/02 10:53 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not sure if I'm of the 99% or not. There have been a few women I've run into that were unshaven and my mouth dropped. In particular, this brunette in this one social sciences course. A few guys around me were joking about her... but all I could think was "please, let her be into straight guys" (more cultural bias or just experience?). She stopped coming to that class and I never got the chance to "bump into" her (I'm not a fan of "hitting on" women... and any woman who falls for that bullshit is not my type).

What if your reason for not liking Sinatra is "because he's got dirty-old-man syndrome, he's full of machismo, and he sings Frank Sinatra songs"?


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Re: Enculturation and Choice [Re: Swami]
    #761752 - 07/20/02 11:24 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with your example but they are still choosing that.
They are choosing to be enculturated (if thats even a word!), aware of it or not.

There is no condition, no circumstance, no problem that you have not choosen to experience.


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