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Bleach and pinset Amazing results!!!!!!!! *DELETED*
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Bleach doesn't harm mycelium much. I've soaked tissue for cloning for several minutes in a ten percent bleach solution. The bacteria is killed off, but the mycelium survives. Bleach seems to harm mycelium far less than peroxide. RR
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Ok so then would it be ok to do something even more drastic, like....
Once fully colonized, dunk your cake for a few seconds in .6% hypochlorite (that would be 10% Clorox and 90%water) solution, rinse with clean water, and then dunk in clean water overnight before placing in the FC? sounds to me like if the MYC are OK with it, it may be a great way to cut contam
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But whats with the effects on hyphal knots, pinset. I swear by this. It's crazy. I wonder what the under lining science is. Cause and effect stuff.
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could this method be used with cakes too? I'm planning on shocking the myc once developed, using dunking (16 hours) and rolling in verm before transferring to terrarium.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: c0_hush]
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yeah.. i was also talking about a cake..
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Re: Bleach and pinset Amazing results!!!!!!!! [Re: sublimemushhead]
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I'll have to try that one with my jars.
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Re: Bleach and pinset Amazing results!!!!!!!! [Re: sadisticpuppet]
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id like to get RK or RRs opinion on this
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Bleach seems to harm mycelium far less than peroxide.
Ya know, I keep hearing that peroxide hurts mushrooms, but I've used strait 3% peroxide to sterilize bulk corncob spawn with fantastic results many times. I've never seen it slow down the process.
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That's because it breaks down within minutes, and there's no mycelium on the corn cobs at the time. RR
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um RR while your here.. could you weigh in on my sugestion above (cake dunk)
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
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I would have to think that the improved results are based just on the lack of contaminents and not any real benefits from the bleach for the mycelium itself. Right?????????
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What could bleach possible give to the mycelium????
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How bout someone with an educated opinion???????
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or drug resistant bacterial infections...
i did find this.. but haven't read it, probably would not understand all of it.. http://aem.asm.org/cgi/reprint/57/10/2858.pdf
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
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Thanks for the link slimz right on trac. This is exactly what Im looking for. Realy good stuff.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
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and also this quite from a science fair project.
"Next he tried to determine what chemicals might kill the mushrooms. Boothroyd tested bleach, borax, and a commercial cleaning solution on a fresh batch of oyster mushroom mycelia.
"""I had read that bleach was toxic, so I assumed that it was bad for the environment, and therefore would kill the mycelia and mushrooms," Boothroyd said.
Much to his surprise, however, the mycelia seemed immune to bleach and the commercial cleaning solution, but susceptible to borax. That gave Boothroyd an idea for one more experiment.
Both bleach and the cleaning solution are acidic, whereas borax is basic, so Boothroyd decided to test the susceptibility of mycelia to acids and bases. This time he grew mycelia in the presence of vinegar (acid), water (neutral), and baking soda (base).
Neither baking soda nor vinegar killed or altered the growth of the mycelia, he reported, although the mycelia growing in water did best of all. However, he's not sure that the experiment is the final answer to his question. Boothroyd thinks the basic and acidic solutions might have been too weak to affect the mycelia to a measurable extent."""
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Well I think I'm gonna go pour a bottle of bleach in my flower garden now. later.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: wstarc5]
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YA do that. Just try to absorb before you become so arogant.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: wstarc5]
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Both bleach and the cleaning solution are acidic, whereas borax is basic
So much for that kids science fair project. Bleach is HIGHLY alkaline, not acidic.
I've posted for years that bleach doesn't kill fungi. Even some spores, such as Cordyceps can survive several minutes in a ten percent bleach solution and still germinate.
I do however suspect that any increase in pinning on the bleach sprayed casing layer was due to genetic differences and not attributable to the bleach. Bleach spray will abort pins. They don't appreciate it at all. In addition, there is no need to subject a perfectly healthy cake to bleach. RR
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Back to the educated.... Slimz, I am doing some side by sides with different concentrations. Will keep up to date with community. Seems the researcher didn't drive this experiment as far as reaching a destination. Will try to fill in.
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I do however suspect that any increase in pinning on the bleach sprayed casing layer was due to genetic differences and not attributable to the bleach. Bleach spray will abort pins. They don't appreciate it at all. In addition, there is no need to subject a perfectly healthy cake to bleach. RR
Thank you.
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Spay is applied at the end of the vegetative cycle. Really before i even see the knots. Strain Thai Lippi, cloned and isolated. They stay pretty consistent when it comes to my side by sides.
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The bleaching isn't acctually doing anything for the mycelium, it is just creating a conatiminent free enviroment that explains the improved results. I'm not saying that the bleach is drastically damaging the mycelium it just isn't imporving the mycelium.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: wstarc5]
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wstarc5 i have pwnd you before, please just stay out of it.. As you see i do not offer my own opinion because I am not learned enough. I ask questions and provide research that has been done on the subject and throw it out there for the experts to play with..
So PLEASE keep your "im on my first grow ever" mouth shut and stop interupting the adults.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
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You are cool people Slimz.......starting to think I was the only one this guy was aggravating. Battle with non educated noob. Big waste of my communication.
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Thanks my ass.
Keep it nice please. At this point you have a theory, but as we know in science, one shouldn't defend a theory, but rather prove or disprove it and then publish the results.
Try to duplicate the procedure and see if future crops display the same characteristics and always use controls so you have a base to compare. It's possible that the interaction of the caustic with the gram positive bacteria produced an enzyme that stimulates pinning. Who knows unless it can be duplicated? RR
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: wstarc5]
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I've posted for years that bleach doesn't kill fungi. Even some spores, such as Cordyceps can survive several minutes in a ten percent bleach solution and still germinate.
that disproves your theory right there in RRs post
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This kid was causing issues on his first day..
I asked too many stupid questions my first week (like everyone) but this kid is just full of stupid answers...
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
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I apologize for my irritability. pertinent words of wisdom, prove or disprove(then defend my results)
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that just prooves a lack of negative effects...
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wstarc5's theory on it being contam free. which is impoosible unless it is some kind of invitro any ways.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: xdaveman]
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oh.. ok ... i follow now..
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
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I could do worse things then jump to obvious conclusions, I could display a weak theory with out evidence or repition as fact with out any logically reason as to why it happens.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: wstarc5]
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Lets explore exactly how stupid you are....
#1 the theory he is presenting is from more than 1 actual experiment. Alltho his findings are not conclusive, he has enough to pose an intelligent question to the more learned members of the forum.
#2 Your theory about the sterility of the environment being the cause for more fruit is less than weak because that had already been addressed earlier and is not an issue that has any merit.
#3 he NEVER said this is a FACT, he simply posed his hypotheses and presented what limited data he had obtained. Both in complete compliance with scientific method.
#4 you simply jumped to a conclusion based on your utter lack of experience
#5 he has already mentioned his intention to proceed further in this experiment and hopefully thru his research prove/disprove his theory.
#6 you continue to post in this thread when it is obvious that your experience is not only severely below that wich is required to participate, but lacking in even the most basic of knowledge about the topic which you are tying to participate in.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
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Slimz said: #3 he NEVER said this is a FACT, he simply posed his hypotheses and presented what limited data he had obtained. Both in complete compliance with scientific method.
And where exactley is any data?
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: wstarc5]
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its here
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I have had success w/ a highly diluted bleach water spray at the beginning of fruiting. Side by side were done. At least 3 times replicated. And every time the bleach treated casing has reacted w/ fearse pin set as well quicker arrival.
And its more than you have...
On a serious note.. sublimemushhead, RR What do you think about using a dilute bleach as your perlite moistener?
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
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Slimz you know thats weak and unless you have an explination as to one possible way bleach is going to help, I think its irrespoinsible to continue this. Take pictures right up procedures let it be tested then you might be able to call it plausible, until then theres no reason to even talk about it.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: wstarc5]
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Its a hypothesis you precociously mouth-breathing slattern.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
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If this was me theory you would have attacked all it lacking credentials long ago. I figure the only reason you support such a ridiculous idea is because I said it seems inplausible.
I really hope thats the reason and you aren't this moronic.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
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Why does it always have to turn nasty?
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: urayasan]
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wstarc5, i do not like you because you are a moron who pretends to understand everything.
The reason I defend this is 2 fold. Mainly because it sounds interesting, especially since he HAS done side by side grows and seen results. And the second reason is because you have decided to attack his theory and dismiss it when it is quite obvious that he has more experience than you in this field.
Other than that, I still believe that you should have been ban from this forum the very first day you joined. My end of this conversation with you is over. Can we please get back to the subject at hand.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
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There is no subject, there is no research, there is no proof.
Can this thread be locked already.
Slimz you have this thing about not having a damn clue.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: urayasan]
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everyone seems entitled to there own opinion... but as far as saying:
"Slimz you know thats weak and unless you have an explination as to one possible way bleach is going to help, I think its irrespoinsible to continue this. Take pictures right up procedures let it be tested then you might be able to call it plausible, until then theres no reason to even talk about it."
that is very untrue... there is always a reason to talk about something. NOT talking about anything doesn't solve anything. I myself do however follow somewhere along the lines about the bleach "clearing a path" against unwanted minor contaminations that only slow down the growth. but regardless, if he has tried it WITH a control and it has shown a better result, then he makes a very valid point and no one should say whats right or wrong without stating proof. Does anyone think that it will effect the overall quality of the product in the end?
Although i don't post much here. I do read, and DO grow. Im am currently skimming through "The Mushroom Cultivator" and i'm trying to pick up anything that would show why this is a possibility.
Very interesting results.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: bryanbzl]
#7607210 - 11/07/07 02:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The pdf i posted when i was looking for information starts out like this
"Actinomycetes isolated from different soil samples were tested for their abilities to utilize spent sulfite bleach effluents from a paper mill. Degradation and dechlorination of the chlorinated compounds in the effluents of the first, two bleaching stages, i.e., chlorination stage [(C + D)red.] and alkaline extraction stage (E10), were monitored by determining total organic carbon (TOC) and activated-carbon-adsorbable organic-bound halogen (AOX). The isolates showed increased degradation rates after repeated incubations in the effluentcontaining medium. Separation of the culture supernatants by ultrafiltration into three fractions of different molecular weights revealed substantial AOX and TOC reductions in the low-molecular-weight fraction. The AOX values of the higher-molecular-weight fractions were also reduced. Extracellular peroxidase and cell wall-bound catalase activities were produced during growth of the microorganisms on bleach effluents."
It seems to be dealing with a very similar question.
There may be some interesting tid bits in there if you wanna read it.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
#7607263 - 11/07/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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read this.. http://www.foodassurance.teagasc.ie/FAOL/cropsBestPractice/productExtensionOffLabel/sodium_hypochlorite.htm
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The provisions of the Federal Food Drug and Cosmetic Act (FFDCA) (40 CFR Part 180 require the establishment of a tolerance for exemption from the need for a tolerance) for the use of calcium hypochlorite on mushroom pins (preharvest); sweet potatoes (postharvest), pimento seeds, tomato seeds, pecans (postharvest), fish fillets. EPA plans to propose to issue an exemption from the requirements of a tolerance for these uses.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
#7607291 - 11/07/07 02:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree that hypochlorite (red label or deosan) may be used as a surface disinfectant and will not kill bacteria in casing or in mushrooms.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: wstarc5]
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Very interesting find Slimz. I was going to search myself but i didn't think there would be information involving using bleach in mushroom cultivation anywhere.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: bryanbzl]
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Its on thing to say that it was used as a highly effective and non dangerous surface dissinfectant and this lead to improved growth thats what I was think may be the case, you guys don't like that idea for some reason or another and are looking for a much more complicated explination with any cause to do so.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: wstarc5]
#7607331 - 11/07/07 03:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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This bitching is going to stop right now, so STFU.
I proposed an alternate theory in my last post. Perhaps it went unnoticed. RR
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RogerRabbit said: This bitching is going to stop right now, so STFU.
I proposed an alternate theory in my last post. Perhaps it went unnoticed. RR
I don't see why we wouldn't look for the most obvious causes first then move on only when the have been disproven, since the easiest explination is usually the best.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: wstarc5]
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We all have stated that your theory is most likely correct. However there CAN be more to it and by constantly rejecting everyone else's theories that makes you seem like a very ignorant person. We agree with your theory, its just that were trying to find if there is anything else linked to it. If the subject bothers you so much its better to not get involved then to start hating on all other possibilities.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: wstarc5]
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I'm sure he plans to do just that. But in the meantime, please stay out of his thread. You're causing a disruption. You've made your point. RR
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: bryanbzl]
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No I'm not bothered with there being multiple theories at all, I'm bothered at how quickly I was originally shut down. The first responce I got was simple the word "wrong"
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RogerRabbit said: I'm sure he plans to do just that. But in the meantime, please stay out of his thread. You're causing a disruption. You've made your point. RR
Your not used to people who actualy have an idea and don't run around quoting you. I'm not causing the disruption that would be your boy slime acting on his personal vendetta.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: wstarc5]
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There is obviously something about STFU that everybody but you seems to understand. The next person who flames in this thread gets banned for a day. That's a promise, so don't fuck with this guys thread anymore. That goes for anybody who doesn't have a positive point to make that adds to the body of knowledge. This isn't jr high school. RR
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I'm not in junior highschool for the record your talking to a full scholarship pre law student, who graduated highschool with a 3.95 gpa. Its a forum, get a life.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: wstarc5]
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Banned. Any more takers? RR
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
#7607492 - 11/07/07 03:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's possible that the interaction of the caustic with the gram positive bacteria produced an enzyme that stimulates pinning
was thinking something similar.. since he was misting, the caustic and whatever reaction it is having may promote knotting.
Also, Sodium Hypochorite is a very reactive substance and will quickly break off its chlorine in the presence of mild acid. There could be a completely different reaction going on here that we are not seeing.
Even if there was a reaction that caused the myc to start reparing itself on a microscopic level, this could jumpstart the knottig.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
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That wstarc5 kid seems to be quite reasonable in my opinion why would you ban him?
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: wstarc55]
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wstarc55 said: That wstarc5 kid seems to be quite reasonable in my opinion why would you ban him?
WOW. what you just did is waay morbid. You are talking bout yourself on a new screen name. For your own good, drop it.
Other than this little trifle,
I want to know if it would be possibly to spray this kind of diluted bleach solution in our FC's and on our new casings?
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Yeah true but they go through the trouble of blocking your ip and everything.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: wstarc55]
#7607656 - 11/07/07 04:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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You got banned again.
I would like to retract my last question and ask if its possible to mist my casings with this procedure to reduce contaminants in the air and casing.
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Go for it. See how it turns out and report back.
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Subbedhunter420 said: I would like to retract my last question and ask if its possible to mist my casings with this procedure to reduce contaminants in the air and casing.
I don't see why not, 10% bleach spray is shown on Mushroom Growing Made Easy video where the guy is disinfecting the surrounding area and all the tools he'll use to inoculate the jars...
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: c0_hush]
#7607683 - 11/07/07 04:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i think we are all gonna start going bleach crazy...
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: c0_hush]
#7607685 - 11/07/07 04:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Damn... why arent we all doing this then?>>
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RogerRabbit said: That's because it breaks down within minutes, and there's no mycelium on the corn cobs at the time. RR
Nope, I pour a full bottle of 3% peroxide directly on the mycellium spawn and corncob, mix it up real good, let it sit for about half an hour, drain off the excess peroxide, and fill trays. Done it probably 50+ times no probs and no contaminates during incubation.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: wstarc5]
#7608277 - 11/07/07 06:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anyhow, back to the topic. I think if anything it's just a stress response. Many organisms try to complete their lifecycle in response to stress. Bacteria form endospores, some plants only flower and produce seeds under stress.
Mushrooms are known to trigger pinning when the food source is exhausted. I wouldn't be surprised if the myc tries to reproduce when it senses impending doom from bleach also.
What sort of concentrations are you using anyways?
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: fastfred]
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I would also like to know what concentrations, this sounds like a great idea I just have one question, when exactly do I spray, when the myc pokes through the top of the casing layer, when I see primordia, hyphal knots, the first few pins? and when do I stop?
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: 2012shaman]
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i would use a 0.6% hypochlorite wich would be 10% chlorox and 90% water..
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Hey Sublime thanks for the tips. I'm going to try this pronto. I will tell you of my results so you can compare mine to yours and who ever elses.
Thanks for the post and nevermind wstarc5 he just seems bitter that you know more than him.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: eleven34]
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I wonder if this could save a cake.. Maybe one with a minor mold infection.. just spray the damn thing.. the MYC dont seem to care but the mold sure does..
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
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Bleach doesn't harm mold much. It's hard on the spores, but not on the mycelium. Nobody else has ever reported an increase in pinning from bleach. I'm inclined to think something else is involved, but time will tell. Keep an open mind. RR
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Mushrooms are known to trigger pinning when the food source is exhausted. I wouldn't be surprised if the myc tries to reproduce when it senses impending doom from bleach also.
Maybe underling is the effect it has on the beneficial in my bulk. In all occurrences I've had with this, my bulk has been highly colonized by beneficial. Slimz through a link out there that touched base w/ the effects of bleach on actinomyces. Chain reaction. We know somewhat about the effects of actinomyces stimulating pinning, as in fungi that will not fruit on grain, but with the addition of beneficial, bam. There is defiantly a bigger picture.
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Nobody else has ever reported an increase in pinning from bleach [Re: sublimemushhead]
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trying to locate my source, but i have read of someone else going into detail about legitimate study of this effect. Researched it a great deal when i first stumbled upon what i feel to be a phenomenon.
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I understand. However, cubensis will fruit on sterilized substrate and casing, so the actinomyces and other beneficial bacteria are not a necessary ingredient. That doesn't rule out a beneficial effect by any means, but I'm just tossing this out to keep an open mind. Keep up the experiments and let us know. RR
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this should be tried with steril substrate next.. that would be a good control
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why? there are alot of us that use it.. you just have to be more careful to keep it sterile.
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Although heavily colonized by beneficial, i make my baulk batches at the same time and let the colonies grow in the same tub. Then i mix very well and incubate(around125*)For 4-5 days and mix, bag, and noc em' up. I feel that everything has been somewhat homogenized, to the extent that one left w/ out and one w/ bleach, the one w/ out would still be a good control. The sterile stud would have to be separate for me, as to test one w/ and one w/ out(both being sterile){limited space for how many tests I can run}. Right now my interest is in the non sterile for this is what I have been working with when encountering my phenomenon. But this is not to say your sterile study wouldn't benefit the whole effort. Defiantly crucial in tearing apart what this reaction is and weather or not micro is necessary or not.
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at this point it is the absolute most important control IMHO because without a sterile control there can be no progress. If the steril control IS succesful, then we know its an iteraction of bleach, substrate, and myc. without there are too many variables to succesfuly recreate this in a third party enviroment. And after all we all want to know if it will help us too...
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IMON but this is how we process. Selfish maybe but is apart of my fascination and my technique that leads me away from sterile. But would be glad to hear of anyone Else's work w/ it.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
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lol in my opinion no. Not being pissy. Just experience has lead me to where I am at with the current subject. I have posted a pic on my journal of some mycelium in a bonsai pot sprayed w/ bleach to stimulate pinning. Not a side by side but the thing didn't pin untill I sprayed.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
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Slimz said: sublimemushhead, RR What do you think about using a dilute bleach as your perlite moistener?
I use one of rr's shotgun style fc's. I only have one of these so no side by sides or anything scientific, just a single observation.
I while back I had some old perlite that I wanted to reuse and well looked a bit grey! So I dumped it all in a tub and soaked it in a fairly strong bleach solution. Left it to soak for a few days.
I then dumped it all into a shotgun fc (holes in bottom) and put it in the bath and ran the tap into it for half an hour or so and gave it a good old swishing round with my hands, removing any verm or other non perlite debris as I went, then left it to drain. This rinsed off a fair amount of the bleach but didn't manage to get rid of all of it. I had intended the rinse to remove all the bleach.
This perlite was in the chamber for about a month. Fanned and misted (spring water) once or twice a day. The fruiting chamber always had a slight bleach smell and 4 casings fruited in there each for about 4 flushes (before I rehydrated the perlite again). Trich set in on each casing towards the end but I think that was already in the casing material rather than via air.
Retrospectivly, in my limited experience, I got to thinking that maybe the bleach in the humidity was helping against airbourne contams and didn't seem to be preventing the shrooms from pinning or fruiting and concluded that cleaning/hydrating perlite in this way was OK and maybe of benefit...
(sorry about lack of exact details but after the first flush I was concentrating more on consumption than production )
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well i guess its ok then..
I think that alltho bleach wont kill alot of things, it WILL kill alot of things so in the case of shrooms, why the hell not use it on your perlite.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
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I'm with Fastfred on this one. The quicker pinset is most likely due to STRESS. The mycellium responds by fruiting (and thus completing its lifecycle).
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If the pinning is stress induced then is it possible that this stress would result in fewer flushes?
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: 2012shaman]
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Take some contaminated wbs(colonized by some mycelium) throw into a glass of bleach water after a two day soak check it out. The bad stuff is gone and the mycelium has started to grw as if it were an L.C.. The stuff thrives in it. More like a steroid than a negitive stress.
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I caught this one on the 7th and never posted. But quick couple of questions for sublimemushhead.
1) What was your concentration level of water to bleach?
2) I'm using a DT setup and I usually wait for the bulk to colonize, then case and let the casing colonize, then let it fruit. Question is, when would be the right time to use the mix? just when I start fruiting, that would mean spraying right on the colonized casing?
I think I'd like to give it a hoot, cause I got about a week till I'm gonna let my chamber fruit, and if you had real good success, then I'm in.
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thanks man ill give it a try on my next jars
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Wow, I didn't read that argument until just now. LOL. I guess I found the answer. 10% right? 9:1. Still wondering about the timing though.
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I have two cakes that are just ready to fruit so I will dunk one in 10% bleach solution and one in regular water, and then roll them in fine vermiculite and then record the flushes.
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could i put a like tiny ass portion of bleach into a pf tek jar? haha that sounds so ridiculous.. but really. can you?
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Caribou_Lou said: I have two cakes that are just ready to fruit so I will dunk one in 10% bleach solution and one in regular water, and then roll them in fine vermiculite and then record the flushes.
I would not do a 24 hour dunk in 10% bleach.. dunk both in plain water for 24 hours then dunk 1 in 10% bleach for a few minutes
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Hey this is cool stuff. Everyone on this thread should check this site out! www.mycomasters.com answers questions and gives advice on peroxide.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: resptodd]
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Dunking for 24 hrs is absolutly ok
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even 24 hours of 10% bleach is ok?
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Caribou Lou. Great idea. More results for the people to see. I have done this w/ wbs colonized by an isolate (side by side w/ control). And the bleach gave a superior pin set compared to the non treated. I have been busy but would like to do pictorial duplicate and triplicate of this phenomenon,.
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i wonder if , when casing with verm, moistening the verm with 10% would have a similar effect..
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JBT, I'm almost positive that adding a small amount of bleach to PF jars will work perfectly fine. I added about 4 drops to my LC and it still worked fine without contaminations. Doing so to your jars can also add to sterility if you want to take it to the next level. I'd also assume that you should never pass 10% in a solution with water wherever and whenever you are working with mushroom cultivation.
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Most defiantly Slimz. Not as strong as some of my experiences. Took some 1/2 h2o, 1/2 bleach ( the spray bottle had a different purpose) sprayed my bonsai tree, which I had thrown some colonized grain in. Kept it moist for weeks and it had way passed recolonization but w/ no knots. After an accidental massive spray down w/ the strong bleach I attempted to dilute some what w/ a light pure water misting. Next afternoon knots, next afternoon pins. Did a journal on it, no one responded so I deleted it.
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verm is not a medium for growth.. nothing grows on verm... sterilizing it would harm nothing..
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
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Are you kidding me!
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Guess you've never seen clamp connections on and all over some vermiculite. Do you think that beneficial don't do the same. But to each his own experience. Try it out and tell us about it. I myself colonize my whole mix w/ beneficial, thats right even my casing(including the vermiculite). A step most seem not willing to go the further effort. Bleach in my situation could open me up to heavier contaminations.
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"Vermiculite absorbs nutrients, preventing them from being washed out and then releases them as required to plant roots. It helps to retain water and holds moisture near to plant roots. Vermiculite is a naturally occurring, non-toxic material that has been heated to a high temperature to produce a lightweight material with a high surface area."
verm itself has NO nutrients to offer living organisms..
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
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Thanks for the overly obvious. But you didn't answer me.
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Now your saying they absorb nutes, but that nothing grows over them. Listen. Growing on and all over, never saying the words eat's or colonizing.
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shaggydogman said: Retrospectivly, in my limited experience, I got to thinking that maybe the bleach in the humidity was helping against airbourne contams and didn't seem to be preventing the shrooms from pinning or fruiting and concluded that cleaning/hydrating perlite in this way was OK and maybe of benefit...
Using bleach in the perlite is useless unless you like the smell of bleach. Perlite is inert, so doesn't contaminate anyway, and water that evaporates is by definition, distilled water. In other words, minerals and salts don't evaporate with the water-they're left behind. RR
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My point is that when you buy verm it does not contain any beneficial nutrients. they have to be added. Verm readily absorbs them but unless you add something to it, its basically just a heat puffed rock. It therefore does not contain any beneficial bacteria either...
the amount of heat it takes to make verm and the process by which it gets to your doorstep would really only allow for nasty spores to get in there.
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Was this to detour the Vermiculite conversation? Or have I missed shaggy's reply in this thread?
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Back to the bleach...
Have we discussed the potability that the simple PH change could effect the pinset?
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