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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7610421 - 11/08/07 10:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Mushrooms are known to trigger pinning when the food source is exhausted. I wouldn't be surprised if the myc tries to reproduce when it senses impending doom from bleach also.

Maybe underling is the effect it has on the beneficial in my bulk.
In all occurrences I've had with this, my bulk has been highly colonized by beneficial. Slimz through a link out there that touched base w/ the effects of bleach on actinomyces. Chain reaction. We know somewhat about the effects of actinomyces stimulating pinning, as in fungi that will not fruit on grain, but with the addition of beneficial, bam. There is defiantly a bigger picture.


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Nobody else has ever reported an increase in pinning from bleach [Re: sublimemushhead]
    #7610427 - 11/08/07 10:10 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

trying to locate my source, but i have read of someone else going into detail about legitimate study of this effect. Researched it a great deal when i first stumbled upon what i feel to be a phenomenon.


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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: sublimemushhead]
    #7610431 - 11/08/07 10:13 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I understand. However, cubensis will fruit on sterilized substrate and casing, so the actinomyces and other beneficial bacteria are not a necessary ingredient. That doesn't rule out a beneficial effect by any means, but I'm just tossing this out to keep an open mind. Keep up the experiments and let us know.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7610441 - 11/08/07 10:15 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

this should be tried with steril substrate next.. that would be a good control


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    #7610444 - 11/08/07 10:16 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: sublimemushhead]
    #7610469 - 11/08/07 10:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

why? there are alot of us that use it.. you just have to be more careful to keep it sterile.


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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: sublimemushhead]
    #7610479 - 11/08/07 10:25 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Although heavily colonized by beneficial, i make my baulk batches at the same time and let the colonies grow in the same tub. Then i mix very well and incubate(around125*)For 4-5 days and mix, bag, and noc em' up. I feel that everything has been somewhat homogenized, to the extent that one left w/ out and one w/ bleach, the one w/ out would still be a good control. The sterile stud would have to be separate for me, as to test one w/ and one w/ out(both being sterile){limited space for how many tests I can run}. Right now my interest is in the non sterile for this is what I have been working with when encountering my phenomenon. But this is not to say your sterile study wouldn't benefit the whole effort. Defiantly crucial in tearing apart what this reaction is and weather or not micro is necessary or not.


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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: sublimemushhead]
    #7610615 - 11/08/07 11:02 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

at this point it is the absolute most important control IMHO because without a sterile control there can be no progress. If the steril control IS succesful, then we know its an iteraction of bleach, substrate, and myc. without there are too many variables to succesfuly recreate this in a third party enviroment. And after all we all want to know if it will help us too... :smile:


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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
    #7611192 - 11/08/07 01:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

IMON but this is how we process. Selfish maybe but is apart of my fascination and my technique that leads me away from sterile. But would be glad to hear of anyone Else's work w/ it.


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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: sublimemushhead]
    #7611255 - 11/08/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

IMON ??? whats that mean..


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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
    #7612062 - 11/08/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

lol in my opinion no. Not being pissy. Just experience has lead me to where I am at with the current subject. I have posted a pic on my journal of some mycelium in a bonsai pot sprayed w/ bleach to stimulate pinning. Not a side by side but the thing didn't pin untill I sprayed.


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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
    #7613854 - 11/09/07 06:06 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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What do you think about using a dilute bleach as your perlite moistener?




I use one of rr's shotgun style fc's. I only have one of these so no side by sides or anything scientific, just a single observation.

I while back I had some old perlite that I wanted to reuse and well looked a bit grey! So I dumped it all in a tub and soaked it in a fairly strong bleach solution. Left it to soak for a few days.

I then dumped it all into a shotgun fc (holes in bottom) and put it in the bath and ran the tap into it for half an hour or so and gave it a good old swishing round with my hands, removing any verm or other non perlite debris as I went, then left it to drain.  This rinsed off a fair amount of the bleach but didn't manage to get rid of all of it. I had intended the rinse to remove all the bleach.

This perlite was in the chamber for about a month. Fanned and misted (spring water) once or twice a day. The fruiting chamber always had a slight bleach smell and 4 casings fruited in there each for about 4 flushes (before I rehydrated the perlite again). Trich set in on each casing towards the end but I think that was already in the casing material rather than via air.

Retrospectivly, in my limited experience, I got to thinking that maybe the bleach in the humidity was helping against airbourne contams and didn't seem to be preventing the shrooms from pinning or fruiting and concluded that cleaning/hydrating perlite in this way was OK and maybe of benefit...

(sorry about lack of exact details but after the first flush I was concentrating more on consumption than production :smile: :smile: :smile: )


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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: shaggydogman]
    #7613891 - 11/09/07 06:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

well i guess its ok then..

I think that alltho bleach wont kill alot of things, it WILL kill alot of things so in the case of shrooms, why the hell not use it on your perlite.


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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
    #7614810 - 11/09/07 11:34 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm with Fastfred on this one. The quicker pinset is most likely due to STRESS. The mycellium responds by fruiting (and thus completing its lifecycle).


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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Gringo Biloba]
    #7615601 - 11/09/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If the pinning is stress induced then is it possible that this stress would result in fewer flushes?


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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: 2012shaman]
    #7640984 - 11/15/07 06:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Take some contaminated wbs(colonized by some mycelium) throw into a glass of bleach water after a two day soak check it out. The bad stuff is gone and the mycelium has started to grw as if it were an L.C.. The stuff thrives in it. More like a steroid than a negitive stress.


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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: sublimemushhead]
    #7651106 - 11/18/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I caught this one on the 7th and never posted. But quick couple of questions for sublimemushhead.

1) What was your concentration level of water to bleach?

2) I'm using a DT setup and I usually wait for the bulk to colonize, then case and let the casing colonize, then let it fruit. Question is, when would be the right time to use the mix? just when I start fruiting, that would mean spraying right on the colonized casing?

I think I'd like to give it a hoot, cause I got about a week till I'm gonna let my chamber fruit, and if you had real good success, then I'm in.

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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: sublimemushhead]
    #7651121 - 11/18/07 01:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

thanks man ill give it a try on my next jars :smile:


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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Cheesekiller]
    #7651169 - 11/18/07 02:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Wow, I didn't read that argument until just now. LOL. I guess I found the answer. 10% right? 9:1. Still wondering about the timing though.

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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Cheesekiller]
    #7651254 - 11/18/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I have two cakes that are just ready to fruit so I will dunk one in 10% bleach solution and one in regular water, and then roll them in fine vermiculite and then record the flushes.


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