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Slimz
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: wstarc5]
#7607095 - 11/07/07 02:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lets explore exactly how stupid you are....
#1 the theory he is presenting is from more than 1 actual experiment. Alltho his findings are not conclusive, he has enough to pose an intelligent question to the more learned members of the forum.
#2 Your theory about the sterility of the environment being the cause for more fruit is less than weak because that had already been addressed earlier and is not an issue that has any merit.
#3 he NEVER said this is a FACT, he simply posed his hypotheses and presented what limited data he had obtained. Both in complete compliance with scientific method.
#4 you simply jumped to a conclusion based on your utter lack of experience
#5 he has already mentioned his intention to proceed further in this experiment and hopefully thru his research prove/disprove his theory.
#6 you continue to post in this thread when it is obvious that your experience is not only severely below that wich is required to participate, but lacking in even the most basic of knowledge about the topic which you are tying to participate in.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
#7607099 - 11/07/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Slimz said: #3 he NEVER said this is a FACT, he simply posed his hypotheses and presented what limited data he had obtained. Both in complete compliance with scientific method.
And where exactley is any data?
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: wstarc5]
#7607110 - 11/07/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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its here
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I have had success w/ a highly diluted bleach water spray at the beginning of fruiting. Side by side were done. At least 3 times replicated. And every time the bleach treated casing has reacted w/ fearse pin set as well quicker arrival.
And its more than you have...
On a serious note.. sublimemushhead, RR What do you think about using a dilute bleach as your perlite moistener?
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Edited by Slimz (11/07/07 02:09 PM)
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wstarc5
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
#7607121 - 11/07/07 02:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Slimz you know thats weak and unless you have an explination as to one possible way bleach is going to help, I think its irrespoinsible to continue this. Take pictures right up procedures let it be tested then you might be able to call it plausible, until then theres no reason to even talk about it.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: wstarc5]
#7607138 - 11/07/07 02:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its a hypothesis you precociously mouth-breathing slattern.
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wstarc5
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
#7607143 - 11/07/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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If this was me theory you would have attacked all it lacking credentials long ago. I figure the only reason you support such a ridiculous idea is because I said it seems inplausible.
I really hope thats the reason and you aren't this moronic.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
#7607144 - 11/07/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why does it always have to turn nasty?
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Slimz
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: urayasan]
#7607158 - 11/07/07 02:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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wstarc5, i do not like you because you are a moron who pretends to understand everything.
The reason I defend this is 2 fold. Mainly because it sounds interesting, especially since he HAS done side by side grows and seen results. And the second reason is because you have decided to attack his theory and dismiss it when it is quite obvious that he has more experience than you in this field.
Other than that, I still believe that you should have been ban from this forum the very first day you joined. My end of this conversation with you is over. Can we please get back to the subject at hand.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
#7607165 - 11/07/07 02:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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There is no subject, there is no research, there is no proof.
Can this thread be locked already.
Slimz you have this thing about not having a damn clue.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: urayasan]
#7607190 - 11/07/07 02:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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everyone seems entitled to there own opinion... but as far as saying:
"Slimz you know thats weak and unless you have an explination as to one possible way bleach is going to help, I think its irrespoinsible to continue this. Take pictures right up procedures let it be tested then you might be able to call it plausible, until then theres no reason to even talk about it."
that is very untrue... there is always a reason to talk about something. NOT talking about anything doesn't solve anything. I myself do however follow somewhere along the lines about the bleach "clearing a path" against unwanted minor contaminations that only slow down the growth. but regardless, if he has tried it WITH a control and it has shown a better result, then he makes a very valid point and no one should say whats right or wrong without stating proof. Does anyone think that it will effect the overall quality of the product in the end?
Although i don't post much here. I do read, and DO grow. Im am currently skimming through "The Mushroom Cultivator" and i'm trying to pick up anything that would show why this is a possibility.
Very interesting results.
bzl
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: bryanbzl]
#7607210 - 11/07/07 02:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The pdf i posted when i was looking for information starts out like this
"Actinomycetes isolated from different soil samples were tested for their abilities to utilize spent sulfite bleach effluents from a paper mill. Degradation and dechlorination of the chlorinated compounds in the effluents of the first, two bleaching stages, i.e., chlorination stage [(C + D)red.] and alkaline extraction stage (E10), were monitored by determining total organic carbon (TOC) and activated-carbon-adsorbable organic-bound halogen (AOX). The isolates showed increased degradation rates after repeated incubations in the effluentcontaining medium. Separation of the culture supernatants by ultrafiltration into three fractions of different molecular weights revealed substantial AOX and TOC reductions in the low-molecular-weight fraction. The AOX values of the higher-molecular-weight fractions were also reduced. Extracellular peroxidase and cell wall-bound catalase activities were produced during growth of the microorganisms on bleach effluents."
It seems to be dealing with a very similar question.
There may be some interesting tid bits in there if you wanna read it.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
#7607263 - 11/07/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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read this.. http://www.foodassurance.teagasc.ie/FAOL/cropsBestPractice/productExtensionOffLabel/sodium_hypochlorite.htm
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The provisions of the Federal Food Drug and Cosmetic Act (FFDCA) (40 CFR Part 180 require the establishment of a tolerance for exemption from the need for a tolerance) for the use of calcium hypochlorite on mushroom pins (preharvest); sweet potatoes (postharvest), pimento seeds, tomato seeds, pecans (postharvest), fish fillets. EPA plans to propose to issue an exemption from the requirements of a tolerance for these uses.
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Edited by Slimz (11/07/07 02:50 PM)
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wstarc5
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: Slimz]
#7607291 - 11/07/07 02:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree that hypochlorite (red label or deosan) may be used as a surface disinfectant and will not kill bacteria in casing or in mushrooms.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: wstarc5]
#7607305 - 11/07/07 02:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Very interesting find Slimz. I was going to search myself but i didn't think there would be information involving using bleach in mushroom cultivation anywhere.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: bryanbzl]
#7607317 - 11/07/07 03:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its on thing to say that it was used as a highly effective and non dangerous surface dissinfectant and this lead to improved growth thats what I was think may be the case, you guys don't like that idea for some reason or another and are looking for a much more complicated explination with any cause to do so.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: wstarc5]
#7607331 - 11/07/07 03:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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This bitching is going to stop right now, so STFU.
I proposed an alternate theory in my last post. Perhaps it went unnoticed. RR
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wstarc5
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Quote:
RogerRabbit said: This bitching is going to stop right now, so STFU.
I proposed an alternate theory in my last post. Perhaps it went unnoticed. RR
I don't see why we wouldn't look for the most obvious causes first then move on only when the have been disproven, since the easiest explination is usually the best.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: wstarc5]
#7607360 - 11/07/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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We all have stated that your theory is most likely correct. However there CAN be more to it and by constantly rejecting everyone else's theories that makes you seem like a very ignorant person. We agree with your theory, its just that were trying to find if there is anything else linked to it. If the subject bothers you so much its better to not get involved then to start hating on all other possibilities.
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: wstarc5]
#7607369 - 11/07/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm sure he plans to do just that. But in the meantime, please stay out of his thread. You're causing a disruption. You've made your point. RR
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Re: Bleach and pinset [Re: bryanbzl]
#7607370 - 11/07/07 03:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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No I'm not bothered with there being multiple theories at all, I'm bothered at how quickly I was originally shut down. The first responce I got was simple the word "wrong"
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Edited by wstarc5 (11/07/07 03:28 PM)
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