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Lion
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Tough truths
#7604966 - 11/06/07 10:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Give me some tough truths. Truths most people wouldn't want to hear.
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Lion]
#7604975 - 11/06/07 10:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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This guy is the leader of the free world.
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Booby
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Lion]
#7604984 - 11/06/07 10:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was going to say: Our children will grow to hate us. But perhaps that observation is a less than fair .
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Lion]
#7604990 - 11/06/07 10:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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God is a fairytale?  You're on your own...
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God is a fairy. LOL
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Booby]
#7605007 - 11/06/07 10:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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   All this time I've loved you And never known your face All this time I've missed you And searched this human race Here is true peace Here my heart knows calm Safe in your soul Bathed in your sighs
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Booby
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Entendre- (Pun) "God is a fairytail"
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NiamhNyx
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Quote:
Silversoul said:

This guy is the leader of the free world.
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EternalCowabunga
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tough truth... cold, hard, rational, analyzation a tough truth is something like: nobody can love you if you dont love yourself
it's definitely yang the truth becomes tough and resilient because it's a reflection of ourselves in a dense state. the truth is love at the highest vibration, and the truth is hate at the lowest because it is dense
"i'm not stupid! you're stupid!" and the other person is stupid, but it's not the fact that they are stupid that is true, it is the reflection which is true - it is true that it is tough to accept that one is stupid and it is true that one would react with hate towards that in a dense state. from the standpoint of truth, we shouldn't judge this lowly person because they are acting out of their own truth which is still a reflection of the love which makes their truth possible.
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Lion]
#7605101 - 11/06/07 10:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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This poor guy is being used as a scapegoat:

by the real powers behind the throne.
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Booby]
#7605167 - 11/06/07 10:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Illuminati?
You know they're all lizards, right?
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Re: Tough truths [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7605174 - 11/06/07 10:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Who is pulling the strings doesn't make a difference to him being a pawn.
Edited by Booby (11/06/07 10:52 PM)
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Booby]
#7605227 - 11/06/07 11:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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It was a joke...?
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Silversoul
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Re: Tough truths [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7605228 - 11/06/07 11:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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NiamhNyx said: The Illuminati?
You know they're all lizards, right?
That must be why they're causing global warming: so they don't have to have to hibernate, and can better control us warm-blooded creatures.
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Your going to die.. No matter how good you think you are or how much you think you know your life is forfeit.
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Quote:
Silversoul said:
That must be why they're causing global warming: so they don't have to have to hibernate, and can better control us warm-blooded creatures.
Those bloodsuckers, that is exactly what they're doing! We must warn the masses! We should write a book and then a screenplay about this to get the word out. We'll make millions, erm, I mean we'll spread the word and save the planet!
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Re: Tough truths [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7605354 - 11/07/07 12:06 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
NiamhNyx said: The Illuminati?
You know they're all lizards, right?
That is precisely what they want you to think. Congratulations.
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Santa does not exist (devastating information to me when I was a youngster).
If you're not real good-looking, sex is few-and-far between.
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Lion]
#7606057 - 11/07/07 09:26 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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There is no solid evidence supporting the popular idea that there is a meaning or a purpose to life.
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Veritas]
#7606067 - 11/07/07 09:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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MushroomTrip and Veritas, I find those truths to be somewhat comforting. I have always tended to have less desire for accomplishment than people around me think I'm capable of, and more desire to find a simple way of living and loving.
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Lion]
#7606093 - 11/07/07 09:39 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The "rabbit hole" of there being no meaning or purpose to life might be deeper than you think.
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Veritas]
#7606120 - 11/07/07 09:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I felt a distinct uneasiness when I read those words, so I would have to agree; yes, I intuit that it is deeper than I think. Where has the rabbit hole led you?
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Lion]
#7606138 - 11/07/07 09:51 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm still falling.
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Lion]
#7607481 - 11/07/07 03:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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and more desire to find a simple way of living and loving.
This is your belief system. There is no evidence that there is a simple way of living or loving. That IME is wishful dreaming. And down the rabbit hole you go.
Veritas is so right on this one. It may take some years to find out what she is talking about but if you do, to quote Don Juan, "it will deliver a blow that no one can parry".
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (11/07/07 03:45 PM)
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Lion]
#7607620 - 11/07/07 04:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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you already know everything important but you probably also know too much other junk to make sense of it
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Yes, the philosophical junk drawer can be tough to sift through. So many rubber bands, dried-out markers, bottle openers, match books, old batteries, miscellaneous parts for mystery appliances and other mental detritus, can make discerning the tools a real challenge.
Nothing like a great psychedelic trip and/or a week-long retreat to clear out the clutter, though!
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Lion]
#7607645 - 11/07/07 04:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mankind is more gregarious than social. That means we have a herding instinct. that could explain a lot.
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Veritas

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Re: Tough truths [Re: Booby]
#7607654 - 11/07/07 04:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Gregarious Seeking and enjoying the company of others; sociable. See Synonyms at social.
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Booby
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Veritas]
#7607677 - 11/07/07 04:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea but we have the social hierarchy of the herd as instinct. Don't you believe it?
Edited by Booby (11/07/07 04:30 PM)
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Lion]
#7607861 - 11/07/07 05:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Too many self rightous juvenile delinquents bitch on the internet constantly.
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Booby
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Booby]
#7607882 - 11/07/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Booby said: Mankind is more gregarious than social. That means we have a herding instinct. that could explain a lot.
From the presupposition that the herd instinct influences our predisposition we can draw conclusions as to the outcome of various situations.
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Booby]
#7607912 - 11/07/07 05:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Booby said: Yea but we have the social hierarchy of the herd as instinct. Don't you believe it?
What does this even mean? Do you mean to say that we are naturally inclined to social behaviour?
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Re: Tough truths [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7607934 - 11/07/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
NiamhNyx said:
Quote:
Booby said: Yea but we have the social hierarchy of the herd as instinct. Don't you believe it?
What does this even mean? Do you mean to say that we are naturally inclined to social behaviour?
yeah, dammit! people wanna fuck me.
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Booby
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Booby]
#7607982 - 11/07/07 05:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would be most relieved if everyone would deny it.
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Booby
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Booby]
#7608078 - 11/07/07 05:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Booby said:
From the presupposition that the herd instinct influences our predisposition we can draw conclusions as to the outcome of various situations.
...And so we can blame instinct on what we may consider inappropriate behavior. Am I right?
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Booby]
#7608118 - 11/07/07 05:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Although you aren't making any sense, it seems like what you are trying to say is that the human inclination towards being socially oriented is a problem. I don't see how this has anything to do with what was being discussed previously. Or how there is anything inherently problematic with people forming social bonds.
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Booby
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Booby]
#7608121 - 11/07/07 05:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The tough truth here is that we let our animal instincts get the better of us.
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Re: Tough truths [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7608130 - 11/07/07 06:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah well, I'm just talking to the clouds.
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Booby]
#7608188 - 11/07/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh I see. I kinda like my animal instincts. They keep me alert, tell me when to fight or run, let me know when someone sexy is in my vicinity, and tell me when to eat, drink and defecate. Important functions in the game of life. Of course I'm fond of my rational faculties as well, they help me organize the above listed in ways specific to my intended purposes.
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Lion]
#7608248 - 11/07/07 06:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Each living thing knows only one thing for certain: that it exists.
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Booby
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Re: Tough truths [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7608263 - 11/07/07 06:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
NiamhNyx said: Of course I'm fond of my rational faculties as well, they help me organize the above listed in ways specific to my intended purposes.
so you're saying we can take advantage of 'animal instict' to gain a selfish advantage over our fellow beings?
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if you don't eat, you don't shit.
If you don't shit you die..
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dubiousness Dubious compound it is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong. A penalty for possession of a drug/plant should not be more damaging than the drug/plant itself.
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Lion]
#7608278 - 11/07/07 06:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Truth is.
(That's it.)
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Booby
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Booby]
#7608299 - 11/07/07 06:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Booby said:
Quote:
NiamhNyx said: Of course I'm fond of my rational faculties as well, they help me organize the above listed in ways specific to my intended purposes.
so you're saying we can take advantage of 'animal instict' to gain a selfish advantage over our fellow beings?
You're right. You didn't say that. Only a low-down manipulating scum would allude to such a thing.
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Booby]
#7608340 - 11/07/07 06:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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don't want to derail this thread any further but...
it is only fight or flight which makes us selfish
rationality, a product of our newer more evolved brain, is what allows us to balance our animalistic desires on one hand with what is rationally best, happiness for ourselves and others brought about by helping each other out.
someone who tries to take advantage of others is generally not happy because they are acting out of fear which is governed by the reptilian brain
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Quote:
EternalCowabunga said:
it is only fight or flight which makes us selfish
Instinctual self-preservation? You're on to something.
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Booby]
#7608443 - 11/07/07 07:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think the fight or flight instinct makes us selfish. People become selfish when they fear deprivation and are socially alienated. Fight or flight allows us to avoid getting into dangerous situations. I appreciate and trust this instinct, we'd probably all die at a really young age without it.
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Lion]
#7608713 - 11/07/07 08:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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That immortality is a long way off..
That there will never be another opportunity.
-------------------- Pray, v.: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy - Ambrose Bierce Medical science has confirmed what the male world has known intuitively for millenia: that scratching your ass is a great aid to complex thinking. Its God's responsibility to forgive the terrorist organizations such as Jaish, Lashkar etc. Its our responsibility to arrange the meeting between them and god." - Indian Armed Forces "Hey Monkey!! Get Funky" - Tarzan and Jane
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Re: Tough truths [Re: shakercee]
#7609528 - 11/08/07 12:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Tough truths [Re: ZShroom]
#7609879 - 11/08/07 03:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't know... most of us will never realize our dreams, will never reach our full potential, and when we die we will soon be forgotten (save for a select few loved ones).
Uplifting thread
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Cameron]
#7610481 - 11/08/07 10:25 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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tough truth #23 Pure authoritarianism disguised as democracy does not need to come take your power away. Instead, you give it up by your own free will.
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Luddite]
#7610683 - 11/08/07 11:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Luddite said: Too many self rightous juvenile delinquents bitch on the internet constantly.
I think that's the toughest truth posted so far. evidenced by the fact that people ignored it
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Luddite]
#7610700 - 11/08/07 11:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Luddite said: Too many self rightous juvenile delinquents bitch on the internet constantly.
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i am not a juvenile delinquent!! FUCK U
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Re: Tough truths [Re: ZShroom]
#7610912 - 11/08/07 12:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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tough truth for me (and 99% of everyone else): you are not special or unique.
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"You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. But you are not a pile of shit, either. You just are."
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Quote:
MushroomTrip said: God is a fairytale?  You're on your own...
If someone considers this truth, then I have to ad: G*d does exist, we just haven't developed any means to let us know. We are not alone  [For some that might be tough ]
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Quote:
BlueCoyote said:
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MushroomTrip said: God is a fairytale?  You're on your own...
If someone considers this truth, then I have to ad: G*d does exist, we just haven't developed any means to let us know. We are not alone  [For some that might be tough ]
Let me provide the middle path which I believe to be the best and most honest one. "We do not know if there is a God or not."
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Lion]
#7614697 - 11/09/07 11:15 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Words are lies.
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Then what you just said is untrue.
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Icelander]
#7614714 - 11/09/07 11:18 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Indeed
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Re: Tough truths [Re: Icelander]
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Re: Tough truths [Re: ZShroom]
#7626453 - 11/12/07 03:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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if you exist, you are in pain. there is no joy in the ego. happiness comes from a fully illumined state and all happiness before that is imperfect, although good anyway
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