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OfflineSiekoaktiv
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I feel kinda guilty...
    #7604656 - 11/06/07 08:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I might be doing acid for the first time this weekend, and although I'm really excited, I also feel kinda guilty. I've used natural psychedelics for the purpose of mind expansion, and I've kinda been taught to think that synthetics don't have the came sort of spiritual power that natural ones do. I'm a firm believer in plants being teachers, and so I like to think that natural hallucinogens open your mind allowing you so see nature, and see the world better. I also think that things like acid (man-made chemicals) are better for scientific/mathmatical thinking, more of a smart drug, really. Does anyone agree with this, or am I just deluding myself?


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Re: I feel kinda guilty... [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7604680 - 11/06/07 09:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Don't think this way man. I kinda thought the same exact thing before I tried LSD (which was very recent). I'm pretty sure that LSD is very close to a naturally occuring chemical, with a simple change over.

LSD is very beautiful and I didn't feel a synthetic feeling at all when I was using it, it has a very natural feel to it.

Have fun my friend.


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Re: I feel kinda guilty... [Re: Jair]
    #7604688 - 11/06/07 09:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Don't feel guilty. LSD is very powerful; if the mushrooms are alive and thinking, so is the LSD. Just because it was made in a lab doesn't mean it lacks a soul.


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Re: I feel kinda guilty... [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7604689 - 11/06/07 09:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

LSD feels natural. It can be very spiritual too.

If you want to look at it like that you can, but you can also look at it as a magical mystery chemical.

It is contained in a deadly mushroom. Chemists have to do a complicated extraction to extract this chemical. It was pretty much found on "accident" almost a miracle of sorts.


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Re: I feel kinda guilty... [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7604692 - 11/06/07 09:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Just deluding yourself.

LSD is the EXACT same matter you find in nature, just rearranged by man.

The whole man-made vs. natural thing is an illusion. The first fire created by man. Was this fire synthetic or natural?

Did nature not give us the resources and ability to create our own drugs?


Edited by oliveplume (11/06/07 09:04 PM)


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Re: I feel kinda guilty... [Re: Jair]
    #7604703 - 11/06/07 09:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, you've been programmed.

plus i think the harsh dividing specter of natural -----x----- chemical is stupid and meant to grow guilt in you. just research your shit and be responsible.

and personally i think anyone that considers a plant a "teacher" is a true vegetable.


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Re: I feel kinda guilty... [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7604786 - 11/06/07 09:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Deadly chemicals are made in nature too. Nature is chemical. Synthetic things are naturally a byproduct of advanced life. You have to think of the bigger picture.


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Re: I feel kinda guilty... [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7604806 - 11/06/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Honestly, LSD's origins are very special to me. As somebody who is of 100% European/caucasoid descent, LSD is the only psychedelic entheogen whose discovery owes itself to my people.

I'm sure my ancestors used other psychedelics, but how am I or anyone else to know? Damn the Christianization of Europe...


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Re: I feel kinda guilty... [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7604933 - 11/06/07 09:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Its not the drug its what you do with it. Just because its synthetic doesn't mean it isn't a very powerful tool.


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Re: I feel kinda guilty... [Re: AtPeace]
    #7605018 - 11/06/07 10:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

LSD is natural, The mollecule is extracted from ergot, which is fungus, found under the discipline of organic chemistry. it's all in how you look at it. hah


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Re: I feel kinda guilty... [Re: bbaeker]
    #7605053 - 11/06/07 10:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks guys, I think I'm realizing how it doesn't really matter where it comes from... I like the quote "synthetic things are naturally a byproduct of advanced life". I guess I'll never know until I try it...


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I'm in need of a sterile sporeprint, if anyone wants to do a trade for some seeds or something, or maybe just for free if you have a lot of them............. i'd really appreciate it :mushroom2:

NuggetPorch said - "YES! YES!!!! Coaster its Faint, but its fucking there YOU see it!!! Perhaps we are both on some sort of unusual wave length associated with unusual neuro-transmitters, mind expansion white light, or something we can not even begin to understand or fathom to conceive because it is a gift of insight or a curse given to us by powers beyond our control, something we are not meant to know."


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Re: I feel kinda guilty... [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7605073 - 11/06/07 10:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

also, man is natural right, so man's creations all have a natural origin, and are thus natural


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Re: I feel kinda guilty... [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7605082 - 11/06/07 10:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

no problem. i think it's great you want to put this issue to rest before a potential acid trip.


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Re: I feel kinda guilty... [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7605126 - 11/06/07 10:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

"synthetic things are naturally a byproduct of advanced life"

I like that too and that is how I look at it.

I also like to think that even better things still await to be discovered by man than have thus far.

If you are going to explore the psychedelic realms why would you discount your own kind's contributions?


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Re: I feel kinda guilty... [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
    #7605166 - 11/06/07 10:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

the shulgins have some very good things to say on this subject.


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Re: I feel kinda guilty... [Re: bbaeker]
    #7605234 - 11/06/07 11:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I see whwere you're coming from by feeling guilty, but that's only because the drug will dominate you, assuming you get your hands on some pretty good acid. It's a great psychedelic, I had a trip I will never forget on it. I had five hits of some good stuff for $20 and tripped all day and all night. Be careful though, if you feel it coming on within 20-30 minutes you're going to experience your peak within 3-4 hours, and that peak will last for a couple hours. It's pretty intense...shrooms do not compare, because the trip lasts for so long. Just remember, you should keep a note reminder that you dropped the lsd, so you don't freak out. My last trip was so intense I thought i was dying/dead...but then after the trip it gave me the most appreciative feeling for my life and the world around me.

I hope to hear about your trip though! enjoy!


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Re: I feel kinda guilty... [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #7605265 - 11/06/07 11:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I hope to hear about your trip though! enjoy!





That's the whole thing. If you are going to trip on acid then put this issue to bed and enjoy it for what it is. Or don't.

Good vibes man. :smile: Enjoy! :psychsplit:


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Re: I feel kinda guilty... [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
    #7605411 - 11/07/07 12:27 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I also said the same thing before I just tried it. And although from my own experience I don't find it to be as spiritual. And it doesn't make me feel peace loving or bound to the earth. I always feel really in tune with electricity as odd as th at sounds. A quote from my last acid trip "Now I know why the 80's happened". The light show is just amazing. But this is just like trying to explaine a mushroom experience with somebody who has never tried it. You can just never put it into words so that they grasp the awesomeness and importance of the experience. YA JUST GOTTA TRY IT!!!!


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Re: I feel kinda guilty... [Re: headofmike]
    #7605485 - 11/07/07 01:39 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Its all gotta come from the earth at some point. I guess i find acid to be more atomic and mushies more organic. Both are very natural in different ways. Both very spiritual in different ways.


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Re: I feel kinda guilty... [Re: Jair]
    #7605488 - 11/07/07 01:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Jair said:


LSD is very beautiful and I didn't feel a synthetic feeling at all when I was using it, it has a very natural feel to it.





so true!


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