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Are these Gyms?
    #7598969 - 11/05/07 03:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)











Found these in the Astoria area while looking for azures…

Habitat: growing abundantly out of rotting wood in tall saw grass near the ocean; near mixed alder and pine

Cap- orange, concave in center, incurved margin when younger, becomming upturned w/ age, Bruising green
Gills- Orange, w/ greenish tint, bruising green
Veil- none
Stem- hollow, orange/ bruising green


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Re: Are these Gyms? [Re: letustrip]
    #7599042 - 11/05/07 03:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Looks like Lactarius deliciosus to me :grin:

http://mushroomexpert.com/lactarius_deliciosus.html


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Re: Are these Gyms? [Re: letustrip]
    #7599144 - 11/05/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What he said.

Those are not Gyms. Not even close. Gyms grow out of wood.


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Re: Are these Gyms? [Re: @cro]
    #7599147 - 11/05/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for your help, i thought it weird that they had no veil...but i was excited by the bruising…:(
No azures either… i'm not sure what i have wrong, i know they're out there right now, probably in abundance :ohwell:

I did find a monster patch of stunzii though, so it wasn't a complete loss.


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Re: Are these Gyms? [Re: letustrip]
    #7599154 - 11/05/07 04:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Most Gyms don't have a veil. I think you need to do a bit more research if you are looking for Gyms with a veil, growing out of the ground, rather than wood.


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Re: Are these Gyms? [Re: CureCat]
    #7599177 - 11/05/07 04:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Damn…way to be harsh…
I wasn't looking for gyms…yes, i'm not familiar with them, and don't actually search for gyms. I stumbled on these, and saw the bruising…
I wasn't even convinced they were gyms…thats why i made a request…jeez…

and…i have read that most gyms do have veils…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnopilus: Gymnopilus is a genus of gilled mushrooms within the fungal family Cortinariaceae containing over 150 rusty-orange spored mushroom species formerly divided among Pholiota and the defunct genus Flammula. The fruiting body is typically reddish brown to rusty orange to yellow, medium to large, often with a well developed veil. Most members of Gymnopilus grow on wood but at times may appear terrestrial if the wood is buried or decomposed


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Re: Are these Gyms? [Re: letustrip]
    #7599214 - 11/05/07 04:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

letustrip said:
and…i have read that most gyms do have veils…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnopilus




Sorry... didn't mean to be harsh. I'm kinda tired.

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The fruiting body is typically reddish brown to rusty orange to yellow, medium to large, often with a well developed veil.



The person who wrote that is incorrect. Interestingly, the very photo on that page, is of Gyms without a veil.... Not a very good demonstration of their description.


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Re: Are these Gyms? [Re: CureCat]
    #7599499 - 11/05/07 06:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> The person who wrote that is incorrect.

I wrote that.

I looked at the description of ten gymnopilus species, and all ten had a veil.

There are a few obscure Gymnopilus species that lack a veil.

> Interestingly, the very photo on that page, is of Gyms without a veil... Not a very good demonstration of their description.

The photo on that page is Gymnopilus luteofolius, which has a veil. You can easily see cortinate veil remnants on the stem in that photo.


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Re: Are these Gyms? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7599656 - 11/05/07 06:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Alan, "that photo" does not much look like any luteofolius I have ever found. The Gyms in "that photo" appear to be growing from an actual log, while if my memory is correct "lutes" only grow from woodchips.

I have a copy of North American Species of Gymnopilus somewhere around here, and it describes about 80 different species of Gymnopilus. The very first feature you need to observe when identifying various Gyms is it either 1) has a veil or some type of veil remnants or 2) has no veil at all.

I got the book from "Mr Mushrooms" several years ago and he dissappeared from the shroomery years ago, which is a shame because he is a great guy and extremely smart with mushrooms. The year he sent me the Gymno monograph was a banner year for Gyms in southwest Florida and I found about 15 seperate species of Gym within a month or two period. I took photos of them all, spore prints of them all, dried them all, labeled them all and everything. I did a pretty good job with it considering the amount of herb I was smoking at the time... all of the research was never given back to me when I moved out of a relationship and the research was all rudely thrown away. I planned on sending it all to Dr James W Kimbrough, the head of the Mycology department at the University of Florida in Gainesville to be studied by him and stored at the herbarium there. Kimbrough co-wrote the Gymno monograph along with Hesler. Three of the species I found were psychoactive.

I haven't much looked at the monograph too much since, but the thing will blow your mind if you want to learn more about Gymno's.

Last year I bootlegged (xeroxed) several more copies of the book and sent them out to various shroomerites who probably never made heads or tails of all the information in the book (it is about 200 half-sized pages including photographs and illustrations of the spores and cystidia of each species).

Anyways I am rambling. I would be willing to bootleg more copies if more people are interested. Or if I could figure out how to make a bootleg pdf. file of the whole thing and put it online for everyone for free, I have the capabilities to do that with this computer just no experience making .pdf files.:tongue:


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Re: Are these Gyms? [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #7599766 - 11/05/07 07:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i will love to see that of monograf of gym .
one of the best studies of gym are from the dra laura guzman doughter of you know who , but she is more deep in to serial studies of gymnopilus with dna sequence , not to old like hed dad.

you said lutes only grow from chips, that may be and adaptation, as with all wood lovers . what do you guys think that where created in the city , no no , i smore likely they firt where in log and they move to the more easy to digest susbtrate, more moist, wood chips,
i have found lute in mexico in big pine log, they are not so active, but i guees you will get the idea about the nutrient and water that is to need to soak a log of big dimension, that and adaptation many mushrooms have ,
what mi mind and experience tell me is that ps cyanences where in first time as many know but most people have forget , where in the forest where part of the natural mycoflora of wood in some parts, at least that what the old guys said statments and more , then they move to the city and well they since to find a more specific habitad, but gym also grow naturally in wood as many psilocybes in usa , you just have to find out, the rules are for the noob or perdoker as coon will say, once you get in the bussines, you will beging to undestand all, psilocybe will return to the forest you just have to do your job and you guys are doing a great job ......
i will love to see your work my friend.


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Re: Are these Gyms? [Re: cactu]
    #7599831 - 11/05/07 07:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> Alan, "that photo" does not much look like any luteofolius I have ever found.

It was identified by Debbie Drechsler, she pretty much knows what she is doing.

Here are some more pictures of the same patch that is pictured in the wikipedia article:

http://mushroomobserver.org/1010
http://mushroomobserver.org/2819

All the features I can see match G. luteofolius.

> The Gyms in "that photo" appear to be growing from an actual log, while if my memory is correct "lutes" only grow from woodchips.

According to Michael Wood, they grow from wood chips or downed wood.

> I did a pretty good job with it considering the amount of herb I was smoking at the time...

Smoking herb has been shown by many peer reviewed studies to improve both the quality and quantity of mycological research.


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Re: Are these Gyms? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7599911 - 11/05/07 07:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hm, I guess I stand corrected. You learn something new every day at this forum!:)

Here are some of the luteofolius I found one year growing from woodchips. I found them in downtown Sarasota Florida, in a residential part of town. Found around several houses that did not have lawns, only woodchips, so the whole place was exploding with luteofolius:) The owners gave me permission to pick so I had a good time.



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Re: Are these Gyms? [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #7600706 - 11/05/07 10:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I found lutes growing from downed 2x4s.

they are pretty aggressive on just about any dead wood, AFAICT.


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Re: Are these Gyms? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7601261 - 11/06/07 01:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Alan Rockefeller said:
> The person who wrote that is incorrect.

I wrote that.

I looked at the description of ten gymnopilus species, and all ten had a veil.

There are a few obscure Gymnopilus species that lack a veil.

> Interestingly, the very photo on that page, is of Gyms without a veil... Not a very good demonstration of their description.

The photo on that page is Gymnopilus luteofolius, which has a veil. You can easily see cortinate veil remnants on the stem in that photo.



Eehehehehe....
Gymnopilus most often have a partial veil, as is shown in the photo in the wiki article. Partial veil could be considered a type of veil, however, when listing characteristics, a "veil" denotes a fully formed veil. If veil remnants remain on the stipe, it will be listed as partial or cortinate. Of course, there will be variation within species, but generally speaking, Gymnopilus do not have (fully formed) veils, yet commonly have a cortinate or partial veil.

I agree with the G. luteofolius ID. They look like ones I have found.


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Re: Are these Gyms? [Re: CureCat]
    #7604540 - 11/06/07 08:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

hey man i live in roseburg oregon good find i only found one cyane here before and i found like 3 cubes the were huge but they briuzed blue
but yapeeps dont believe me about that lol but it was like humid and hot here for like a week so ya i wish i new what grew around me happy picking


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