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Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ]
    #7604370 - 11/06/07 08:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Student busted for pot,, family deported
November 6, 2007 - kvoa.com

A Catalina High School student was busted for possession of marijuana at school last week. When police and the boy's parents showed up, the parents admitted the whole family immigrated to the U.S. illegally.

Police called Border Patrol, which they say is standard procedure. The teen, his brother and both parents have now been deported.

Tuesday the boy's friends at Catalina High School took to the streets, angry at the way it all went down.

They marched from the high school to downtown Tucson in protest.

Over the several mile walk, they march, chant and carry protest signs in support of a classmate sent back to Mexico.

"Yeah it makes me mad," says student Erick Quintero.

"We're protesting because they took one of our classmates," says student Joddy Borrego.

TUSD superintendent Roger Pfueffer says he planned to talk with TPD about what happened.

"The police are required to enforce laws, but we're asking immigration laws be not enforced on our campuses," Pfueffer says.

Border patrol says it doesn't raid schools or churches, but if another law enforcement agency calls, they respond and enforce the law.

"In this instance we were called to assist TPD who were in the presence of the first young man," says Border Patrol Agent Richard DeWitt.

TPD says it's looking at changing its policy where it would still contact Border Patrol but would not ask the federal agency to respond to a school.

"I really need to emphasize we didn't not go out there looking to enforce illegal immigration issues. We were there because criminal activity on the part of the juvenile we took proper action, followed our policies," says TPD Assistant Chief Roberto Villasenor.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: veggie]
    #7604490 - 11/06/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Good, I bet you, any other country would do the same. If your here illegally, GET THE FUCK OUT.

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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: Cryogenicz]
    #7604566 - 11/06/07 08:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

We've got cops that are 100% gung-ho about busting skulls over drugs, but they apologize when they deport illegals... WTF is wrong with this country?

If the Mexicans want to protest, then the cops should have rounded them up and deported all they could too!


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: fastfred]
    #7604590 - 11/06/07 08:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Instead of shouting at people to gtfo, why not instead holler about getting immigration laws changed so that they are fair to people who are willing to immigrate here legally and pay taxes. The #1 reason people move here illegally is because America won't let them come legitimately. Trust me, I understand your anger... I pay taxes too, but remember, these people are just trying to escape one seriously screwed up country, and my dollar says that they'd learn english, get citizenship and pay taxes if we let them.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: fastfred]
    #7604721 - 11/06/07 09:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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We've got cops that are 100% gung-ho about busting skulls over drugs, but they apologize when they deport illegals...  WTF is wrong with this country?

If the Mexicans want to protest, then the cops should have rounded them up and deported all they could too!




:thumbup:

Though I will acknowledge it is fair and commonplace for a party to be judged by their past actions, even if in contradiction to its stated agreement.  Thus, I have some sympathy for illegals who have been allowed to live in this country for a long time prior to anyone in power giving a shit.

I think a reasonable compromise is some sort of squater's rights type deal where people living here for so long w/out thefts, assaults, or felonies and who can document employment, that their free of public assistance, and will start paying taxes, may be allowed to stay on a visa and apply for citezenship in X number of years.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: shroom_ninja]
    #7605074 - 11/06/07 10:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Instead of shouting at people to gtfo, why not instead holler about getting immigration laws changed so that they are fair to people who are willing to immigrate here legally and pay taxes. The #1 reason people move here illegally is because America won't let them come legitimately. Trust me, I understand your anger... I pay taxes too, but remember, these people are just trying to escape one seriously screwed up country, and my dollar says that they'd learn english, get citizenship and pay taxes if we let them.




Look, people who break the law to get into this country do not deserve to live in this country. And when mexicans protest because someone who broke a serious law gets deported, it's seriously seriously insulting. It's really an attack on civil laws, and every persons security in a nation. You don't break laws to come into a country, and then start protesting because you don't like the country. I hate America, but that it just not right. It's not like people arn't allowed in this country. America may have bad immigration laws. But there are many many countries for instance, who discriminate and pick and choose who they allow in their country. That's just reasonable. What if America let every person who wanted to to come live in America? It would be a disaster.

There are people waiting in line, and these illegal immigrants need to get in line too. Whether they have been here 1 week or 20 years, they should be deported or heavily heavily fined. They broke the law period, and it really shouldn't be tolerated at all.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7605434 - 11/07/07 12:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not seeing any if the pro-illegal points as being valid. Sure there are squatters here that have managed to avoid the law and are semi-respectable. But you can't argue that they should be allowed to stay simply because they've managed to elude us so far. If they've been here for years and have a family here then they've had plenty of time to file paperwork to get legal status or even citizenship. On our dime no less.

If you get a job here you can get a work visa quite simply. If you just want to visit I think you can just walk across the border and stay for up to three months. WTF is wrong with that? I know Canadian citizens that stay in the US and when their visa runs out ALL THEY HAVE TO DO is go across the border into Canada and they can come straight back for another three months! The literally have to leave the US only long enough to make it through 4 border checkpoints. That's not exactly a bad deal. There's also student visas and all kinds of other ways to get here legally.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7605504 - 11/07/07 02:02 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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And when mexicans protest because someone who broke a serious law gets deported, it's seriously seriously insulting.




What serious law was broken?


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: fastfred]
    #7605513 - 11/07/07 02:10 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well the preformance of the parties has always been a valid modifier to contract law- it's embodied in the uniform commercial code that's codified in most states.

I think its unfair to suddenly enforce rules that have been defacto repealed in the past. Let's remember the common illegal immigrant is not a criminal, it is a civil offense unless you've previously been deported.

I'm not saying I don't think people should be allowed to continue to take advantage of our past mistakes, I'm saying those who can demonstrate a presence here without criminal activity should be given the ability to pay reperations and recieve a visa and possible permanent residency... from there whatever.

It is the same deal if you have a contract with me and we have been acting contrary to that deal for years, in a consistant manner- the law of most states is that the contract is modified to reflect the actions of the parties.

I'm not saying this law applies to illegal immigrants, I'm saying it's not fair to suddenly enforce laws we've defacto repealed. Same as I believe its wrong to start enforcing speed limits posted at 25 when it had not been enforced till your over 50 for years prior- untill the authorities give notice. Sure this is not the ideal situation, the law should always be enforced as written, but when it has demonstrably not been, I think fairness should behouve us to take steps to avoid uprooting even those who came here illegally many years ago.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: fastfred]
    #7605623 - 11/07/07 04:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I love this part:

The police are required to enforce laws, but we're asking immigration laws be not enforced on our campuses," Pfueffer says.

Get the wetbacks out of our schools.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: FecalDildo]
    #7605797 - 11/07/07 07:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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And when mexicans protest because someone who broke a serious law gets deported, it's seriously seriously insulting.




What serious law was broken?




I guess he's referring to the son being busted with the pot... probably means it was in the parents' home.

Forget the fact that it was pot... it could be any othe law the kid could have broke.

I'm torn on immigration man... People need to get legal BEFORE they come here.... but then again, it's a little cruel and unusual to tear up a family, just from a human rights' perspective.

Legally, in this case, I don't think the family's got a leg to stand on.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: veggie]
    #7606405 - 11/07/07 11:02 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: BrAiN]
    #7606422 - 11/07/07 11:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I guess he's referring to the son being busted with the pot... probably means it was in the parents' home.




No way. I smoke cannabis.. I don't understand why you didn't get this.. I'm talking about illegal immigration itself. It's a serious crime and it's an assault on national sovereignty. It's a form of tresspassing, and people who do not respect a nations laws, should not live their at all. If people break the laws to get in to a country, they failed the biggest test. They should be given the boot.

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Forget the fact that it was pot... it could be any other law the kid could have broke.

I'm torn on immigration man... People need to get legal BEFORE they come here.... but then again, it's a little cruel and unusual to tear up a family, just from a human rights' perspective.

Legally, in this case, I don't think the family's got a leg to stand on.




How are they "tearing up a family"? They sent the family back to Mexico. If illegal immigrants cared so drastically about being torn away from their family, they would not come here, where they are seperated from their extended family. Immigration laws don't tear apart families. They enforce justice; they'll send the whole family back together. In the end, it's really the mexicans problem, or whoever gets here illegally. It's not right to sanction unlawful and wrong behavior. What's more upsetting to me than illegal immigration is how this generation is trying to handle it. I don't see how it's even an issue to be debated. This is standard procedure. We're not living 1000 years ago, when there were not the extreme tools of killing we have now. There's a lot more people to keep track of, and it's in the nations best interest to not allow people into this country who are a liability. That is reasonable.

It is not reasonable to accept people who break the laws to get in here and then protect them as persecuted minorities. It's nonsense. And you should be offended. People are just asking for trouble.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7607019 - 11/07/07 01:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I might just be playing devil's advocate here... like I said before I'm sort of split on the issue.

I'm just saying, not this example, but in others... families to get torn apart... many families end up getting their U.S. citizenship one at a time.

However that's the risk you take when you start your venture into the U.S.. I say.. if you don't commit crimes and can not get too much attention and make some money, more power to you. If you get caught... well... can't say you weren't warned to begin with.

I don't have so much of a problem with the way things are enforced. I just think that there needs to be a few changes in the way immigrants are allowed in.

Are we letting in too many people legally? If so, is that a BAD thing? And even if both answers are "yes"... can't we help people get in a little faster by allowing them legal, public work and charity projects? Unless you buidl a wall, people are going to get in illegally one way or another. Why not try to divert most of those people into ways that we can both benefit to handle the influx?


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: BrAiN]
    #7607084 - 11/07/07 01:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

good! if you are an illegal immigrant, taking risks like bringing drugs to school, you are accepting the risk of being deported.

I cant think of a single reason why anyone would support illegal immigration.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: BrAiN]
    #7607087 - 11/07/07 01:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Legalize!

Make it easier for immigrants to become citizens. Absolutely ridiculous that we treat human beings this way. Nationalism is the absolute worst. Nationalists are the most racist sons of bitches on this planet, no matter what country they come from, but especially America. Americans exploit their immigrants, whine about the problem they created, then kick them out. Immigrants should be complaining about this problem. Americans have no right to complain about something they created by treating other people like shit. Even Mexico treats its immigrants better than the rich U.S., and that is shameful.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: johnm214]
    #7607106 - 11/07/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I think its unfair to suddenly enforce rules that have been defacto repealed in the past. Let's remember the common illegal immigrant is not a criminal, it is a civil offense unless you've previously been deported.




That's not true at all. Immigration enforcement may have been a bit lax for a long time, but it has never been defacto repealed. Many thousands have been deported every year. And th3e borders have always been patrolled and illegals caught sneaking in.

The argument you put forth is a red herring invented by illegals to justify their actions. It has never been true, and even if it was it would have no real bearing on the issue.

Illegals have NEVER been allowed to come across illegally with our blessing, and they've never been allowed to stay here with our complete blessing. We simply haven't put enough effort into enforcement. That, and law agencies like to pass the buck when it comes to who enforces our border laws.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: fastfred]
    #7607125 - 11/07/07 02:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Just make em do community service to get back in

At least then you're making a fair trade... ability to live here in return for part time free labor "donated".

Criminals in the states convicted of less serious, less violent crimes often get sentanced a buttload of community service. If this type of service can be used as negotiating power for punishment of non-violent crimes... why not let illegals negotiate with it. Instead of kicking them out just be like.. here... build us a damn bridge and feed the homeless for two years in a dorm and we'll give you a greencard. Or you could just be deported... up to you. No one's sticking a gun up to your head.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: BrAiN]
    #7607140 - 11/07/07 02:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Or the ultimate punishment. Take all the illegals and instead of deporting them.. sticking them in a 50 acre cubicle farm and making them do customer service for 4 years.

Not only will this pay their debt to society but their spirit will be broken and they will be easilly accustomed to their new life in the american workplace :wink:

I mean hell.. the army does it...


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: BrAiN]
    #7607614 - 11/07/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I agree with both of your plans Brain. +5


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: fastfred]
    #7608816 - 11/07/07 08:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

This was the reason pot became illegal in the first place.


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    #7610502 - 11/08/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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This was the reason pot became illegal in the first place.




awesome observation, that hadn't crossed my mind, but is entirely accurate. Drug laws for the most part are simply used to attack minorities. There is a great movie on that exact concept called "American Drugwars: The Last White Hope" (implying that the minority of dominant whites use drug laws to maintain dominance, since racial discrimination is illegal).


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: kotik]
    #7630331 - 11/13/07 12:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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A Catalina High School student was busted for possession of marijuana at school last week.



As big of a pothead as I am, I feel a little hypocritical for saying what I'm about to say. Considering the fact that I had pot on me many times at school. A HIGH SCHOOL IS NO PLACE FOR POT.
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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: allreadyused]
    #7630360 - 11/13/07 12:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

feel a little hypocritical

A little? How about a whole fucking lot of being hypocritical. They should deport you.:monkeydance:


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    #7630450 - 11/13/07 01:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

it's one thing to bring drugs to school and risk getting in some trouble, quite another thing to risk deportation.


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    #7630666 - 11/13/07 01:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Kids are kids. They don't think of the consequences. I could still be in jail for some of the stupid shit I did in High School. I wasn't mature enough to understand.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: veggie]
    #7630877 - 11/13/07 02:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i don't understand how we are letting illegal immigrants enroll in our public schools. if you are an illegal immigrant, you are a fugitive from the law as far as i'm concerned.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: BrAiN]
    #7630975 - 11/13/07 02:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Just make em do community service to get back in

At least then you're making a fair trade


What's fair about butting in line ahead of your compatriots back home waiting to get in legally?

I feel bad for this family, but the blame is entirely theirs. If they didn't want to be ripped from an established life, they should have thought about that when they decided to come here illegally in the first place.

And everyone loves to dump on the US because it's the thing to do these days, but point of fact is that many (most?) other countries are VERY restrictive about who can move there compared to relatively easy US immigration requirements.

Even an American citizen cannot move to Canada or Australia, for example, unless he has professional credentials or is a recognized authority in some discipline.

That said, I favor allowing immigrants in legally in greater numbers than we do currently. I'm not anti-immigrant; I'm anti-ILLEGAL-immigrant.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: Diploid]
    #7630994 - 11/13/07 02:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Plus if they've lived here for years they've had plenty of time to get their paperwork in order. At the bare minimum they could have obtained a work visa which would have prevented them from being deported.

Once you're here and have a job it's very easy to get your boss to sign off on the paperwork that will allow you to stay, or to find another boss who will.

These people were fugitives illegally staying here with no apparent intention of ever becoming legal. Given that they didn't care enough to make any effort to stay here legally there is no reason we shouldn't deport them.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: wilshire]
    #7631262 - 11/13/07 04:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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i don't understand how we are letting illegal immigrants enroll in our public schools. if you are an illegal immigrant, you are a fugitive from the law as far as i'm concerned.




well, illegal immigration isn't a crime, so what are the states supposed to do about it?

if the feds won't do anything, there's not a whole lot the states can do


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    #7631333 - 11/13/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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well, illegal immigration isn't a crime,




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    #7631373 - 11/13/07 04:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

illegal immigration isn't a crime

What are you smoking? I want some.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: Diploid]
    #7631781 - 11/13/07 05:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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illegal immigration isn't a crime

What are you smoking? I want some.




amen, save some for me! I'm still trying to figure out what type of logic would lead you to believe anything called "illegal _______" would not be a crime... lol.

It seems the Orwellian double speak is starting to have an effect.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: Diploid]
    #7634140 - 11/14/07 09:05 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Just make em do community service to get back in

At least then you're making a fair trade


What's fair about butting in line ahead of your compatriots back home waiting to get in legally?





You're right. That's not fair.

Although... I'm really talking about just immigrants in general... not so much this particular case, allowing this one illegal immigrant family to be able to absolve themselves through community service.

I just think that anyone who wants to immigrate to the U.S..... if they don't have any skills or education (which makes it even harder to get in than those WITH technical skills and higher education) should be allowed a better chance to get in my volunteering for community service.

It's a win win situation, like I said before. The imigrants get a quiker path to immigration and some technical skills and on-site training out of it. And the united states gets free labor out of it as well as it intices more people to go the legal route.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: Diploid]
    #7634150 - 11/14/07 09:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i like the term illegal aliens better


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: alphabeatu]
    #7634310 - 11/14/07 10:14 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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i like the term illegal aliens better




Then you don't have to feel so bad about deporting them. They're both illegal AND aliens!


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    #7634338 - 11/14/07 10:21 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

tears well in my eyes when an illegal alien gets deported


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: alphabeatu]
    #7638469 - 11/15/07 06:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Plus we don't feel as guilty about shoving a rectal probe up an alien's ass


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: BrAiN]
    #7639800 - 11/15/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

why don't all you folks who questioned me find the law? There is none.

Unless you cross the border to smuggle things, or are reentering after deportation, simple illegal imigration is not a crime.

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amen, save some for me! I'm still trying to figure out what type of logic would lead you to believe anything called "illegal _______" would not be a crime... lol.




there are plenty of things that violate the law, and are therefore illegal, that are not crimes


libel is illegal, not a crime.
In my state simple parking infractions are illegal, but not a crime
In my state speeding is illegal, but not a crime. (well this is actually a complicated one due to conflicting code, but whatever- doesn't make a criminal record)


Again, find me the code making simple illegal immigration a crime, or shut up

Edit: Overstaying a visa or other permit is a civil violation. If you intentionally evade the border patrol this is a crime; i.e. not going through the check points as directed.


Edited by johnm214 (11/15/07 01:42 PM)


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: johnm214]
    #7639821 - 11/15/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think it's so much the act of immigrating itself that ppl are pissed at.. as it is the fact that illegal immigrants work and don't pay taxes (a crime) while using all our public services.

I'm pretty sure most countries have laws requiring people to get approved for VISAs before entering the country... whether its just getting a stamp on your passport when you arrive or if you need to file paperwork beforehand. I'm sure illegal immigrants are breaking some sort of visa/paperwork law.

I'll dig through the immigration web site and pull something up for you.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: johnm214]
    #7639934 - 11/15/07 02:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

find me the code making simple illegal immigration a crime, or shut up

Uhm, Google is your friend.  Title 8 Section 1325 of the US Code:

...any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

-Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or

-Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or

-Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact has committed a federal crime.


Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

This whole family could have been thrown in jail, THEN deported. They got off lucky in that they were only deported.

By the way, where do you get your misinformation? I'm really curious. :rolleyes:


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: Diploid]
    #7639984 - 11/15/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe john ain't from the states


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: BrAiN]
    #7640162 - 11/15/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Fortunately Google works everywhere. :shrug:


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: Diploid]
    #7640260 - 11/15/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

"Why Can't Johnny Read?"


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7640553 - 11/15/07 04:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well, I am from the states.

I appologise for my tone, I sounded really bitchy there.

Anyways i was refering to the act of living in the US without legal status. Whether you were admitted as a visitor, worker, student, or whatever, your presence is not a crime even after your permit expires.

As I put at the end of my post, the act of evading the border patrol is a crime, but once your in I've seen plenty of refrences that they don't prosecute; perhaps there is a problem proving you evaded the border rather than came in some other legal way? I don't know.

While my statment still stands for thsoe here without illegal entry, it seems the law would apply to those here without a legal manner of initial entry- even if this seems to be not enforced.

See the original story. Nobody was prosecuted except for possibly the dad which the story hints has been previously expelled, a crime of that same section.

As someone asked for my source that illegals are not criminals vis a vis their presence here; here's some:
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Critics argue that the government should first focus on border security. Some want to make it a criminal offense -- punishable by jail time -- for the undocumented to live in the United States (right now, it's a civil offense).


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5303676

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Illegal presence in the U.S. is now a civil offense.


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20060506/ai_n16354400

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After street protests and demonstrations last month, House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., and Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., pledged that illegal immigrants would not be prosecuted as felons in a final House-Senate verions of the bill if it gets that far.

Illegal presence in the U.S. is now a civil offense.


http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/5/5/122538.shtml

There are many other sources for this position, but I agree the law seems clear. Either way in this story no one was prosecuted except for the father who appears to have previously been deported


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: johnm214]
    #7641090 - 11/15/07 06:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It's still a crime to enter the country illegally.

Outstaying your visa.. it MAY possibly be a civil offense... but civil offense or not . it steal means it's illegal and punishable by deportation. The second you earn any money also and DONT report it (which I would imagine is why most people are here) *IS* a crime. Most people that overstay their visas permanently aren't just going to sit around and twiddle their thumbs.. they're going to go out and try to make some money. THAT'S a crime.

From what I hear.. overstaying your visa can get your banned from the U.S. for 10 years.

Just remember.. there's a difference between a criminal act and an illegal act. Just because it's not CRIMINAL doesn't mean it isn't ILLEGAL. If you drive 75mph in a 55 zone.. you're doing something ILLEGAL, but not criminal. And if you're going to break a non-criminal law.. you should still be prepared to suffer the consequences of getting caught.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

But you're right...

http://em.tsu.edu/internationalstudents/visaoverstay.php

http://www.itpeopleindia.com/20040607/abroad2.shtml

http://www.oiss.ucsb.edu/overstay_penalties.htm

I've looked everywhere and it looks like just OVERSTAYING your visa technically isn't a criminal matter... but like I said, 99% of ppl who are overstaying their visa are probably going to seek work and most of those people aren't going to pay their taxes.

heh... funny.. Ron Paul is strict on immigration.... but if he bans the income tax... that's one less crime (and biggest one) that illegal aliens are violating.




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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: johnm214]
    #7642880 - 11/16/07 02:56 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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why don't all you folks who questioned me find the law? There is none.

Unless you cross the border to smuggle things, or are reentering after deportation, simple illegal imigration is not a crime.

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if i ever needed to buy me some morals could you sell me some?

wtf do we have to declare anything when entering or leaving our homelands?

tax ,we pay it they dont

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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: alphabeatu]
    #7643106 - 11/16/07 06:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

poor john... ya got reemed on this one


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: BrAiN]
    #7647037 - 11/17/07 09:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> poor john... ya got reemed on this one

He's kind of dropped from citing case law and statutes to quoting NPR. LOL

Anyhow, being in the country illegally (not just overstaying a visa) is de facto proof that you've committed a federal offense, which is punishable by up to 6 months imprisonment. Slap on the other offenses they are committing in furtherance of their illegal stay here and they could be doing a good chunk of prison time.

I'm not in favor of imprisoning illegals, just deporting them in large numbers. It's like when you're at your buddies house and you've ate his food, drank up all his beer, smoked his weed, and he's getting tired so he tells you to go home.


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