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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: fastfred]
    #7608816 - 11/07/07 08:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

This was the reason pot became illegal in the first place.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: kake]
    #7610502 - 11/08/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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This was the reason pot became illegal in the first place.




awesome observation, that hadn't crossed my mind, but is entirely accurate. Drug laws for the most part are simply used to attack minorities. There is a great movie on that exact concept called "American Drugwars: The Last White Hope" (implying that the minority of dominant whites use drug laws to maintain dominance, since racial discrimination is illegal).


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: kotik]
    #7630331 - 11/13/07 12:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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A Catalina High School student was busted for possession of marijuana at school last week.



As big of a pothead as I am, I feel a little hypocritical for saying what I'm about to say. Considering the fact that I had pot on me many times at school. A HIGH SCHOOL IS NO PLACE FOR POT.
I don't feel sorry for illegals being deported.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: allreadyused]
    #7630360 - 11/13/07 12:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

feel a little hypocritical

A little? How about a whole fucking lot of being hypocritical. They should deport you.:monkeydance:


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: Icelander]
    #7630450 - 11/13/07 01:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

it's one thing to bring drugs to school and risk getting in some trouble, quite another thing to risk deportation.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: kotik]
    #7630666 - 11/13/07 01:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Kids are kids. They don't think of the consequences. I could still be in jail for some of the stupid shit I did in High School. I wasn't mature enough to understand.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: veggie]
    #7630877 - 11/13/07 02:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i don't understand how we are letting illegal immigrants enroll in our public schools. if you are an illegal immigrant, you are a fugitive from the law as far as i'm concerned.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: BrAiN]
    #7630975 - 11/13/07 02:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Just make em do community service to get back in

At least then you're making a fair trade


What's fair about butting in line ahead of your compatriots back home waiting to get in legally?

I feel bad for this family, but the blame is entirely theirs. If they didn't want to be ripped from an established life, they should have thought about that when they decided to come here illegally in the first place.

And everyone loves to dump on the US because it's the thing to do these days, but point of fact is that many (most?) other countries are VERY restrictive about who can move there compared to relatively easy US immigration requirements.

Even an American citizen cannot move to Canada or Australia, for example, unless he has professional credentials or is a recognized authority in some discipline.

That said, I favor allowing immigrants in legally in greater numbers than we do currently. I'm not anti-immigrant; I'm anti-ILLEGAL-immigrant.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: Diploid]
    #7630994 - 11/13/07 02:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Plus if they've lived here for years they've had plenty of time to get their paperwork in order. At the bare minimum they could have obtained a work visa which would have prevented them from being deported.

Once you're here and have a job it's very easy to get your boss to sign off on the paperwork that will allow you to stay, or to find another boss who will.

These people were fugitives illegally staying here with no apparent intention of ever becoming legal. Given that they didn't care enough to make any effort to stay here legally there is no reason we shouldn't deport them.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: wilshire]
    #7631262 - 11/13/07 04:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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i don't understand how we are letting illegal immigrants enroll in our public schools. if you are an illegal immigrant, you are a fugitive from the law as far as i'm concerned.




well, illegal immigration isn't a crime, so what are the states supposed to do about it?

if the feds won't do anything, there's not a whole lot the states can do


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: johnm214]
    #7631333 - 11/13/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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well, illegal immigration isn't a crime,




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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: johnm214]
    #7631373 - 11/13/07 04:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

illegal immigration isn't a crime

What are you smoking? I want some.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: Diploid]
    #7631781 - 11/13/07 05:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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illegal immigration isn't a crime

What are you smoking? I want some.




amen, save some for me! I'm still trying to figure out what type of logic would lead you to believe anything called "illegal _______" would not be a crime... lol.

It seems the Orwellian double speak is starting to have an effect.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: Diploid]
    #7634140 - 11/14/07 09:05 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Just make em do community service to get back in

At least then you're making a fair trade


What's fair about butting in line ahead of your compatriots back home waiting to get in legally?





You're right. That's not fair.

Although... I'm really talking about just immigrants in general... not so much this particular case, allowing this one illegal immigrant family to be able to absolve themselves through community service.

I just think that anyone who wants to immigrate to the U.S..... if they don't have any skills or education (which makes it even harder to get in than those WITH technical skills and higher education) should be allowed a better chance to get in my volunteering for community service.

It's a win win situation, like I said before. The imigrants get a quiker path to immigration and some technical skills and on-site training out of it. And the united states gets free labor out of it as well as it intices more people to go the legal route.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: Diploid]
    #7634150 - 11/14/07 09:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i like the term illegal aliens better


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: alphabeatu]
    #7634310 - 11/14/07 10:14 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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i like the term illegal aliens better




Then you don't have to feel so bad about deporting them. They're both illegal AND aliens!


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: fastfred]
    #7634338 - 11/14/07 10:21 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

tears well in my eyes when an illegal alien gets deported


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: alphabeatu]
    #7638469 - 11/15/07 06:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Plus we don't feel as guilty about shoving a rectal probe up an alien's ass


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: BrAiN]
    #7639800 - 11/15/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

why don't all you folks who questioned me find the law? There is none.

Unless you cross the border to smuggle things, or are reentering after deportation, simple illegal imigration is not a crime.

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amen, save some for me! I'm still trying to figure out what type of logic would lead you to believe anything called "illegal _______" would not be a crime... lol.




there are plenty of things that violate the law, and are therefore illegal, that are not crimes


libel is illegal, not a crime.
In my state simple parking infractions are illegal, but not a crime
In my state speeding is illegal, but not a crime. (well this is actually a complicated one due to conflicting code, but whatever- doesn't make a criminal record)


Again, find me the code making simple illegal immigration a crime, or shut up

Edit: Overstaying a visa or other permit is a civil violation. If you intentionally evade the border patrol this is a crime; i.e. not going through the check points as directed.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: johnm214]
    #7639821 - 11/15/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think it's so much the act of immigrating itself that ppl are pissed at.. as it is the fact that illegal immigrants work and don't pay taxes (a crime) while using all our public services.

I'm pretty sure most countries have laws requiring people to get approved for VISAs before entering the country... whether its just getting a stamp on your passport when you arrive or if you need to file paperwork beforehand. I'm sure illegal immigrants are breaking some sort of visa/paperwork law.

I'll dig through the immigration web site and pull something up for you.


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