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Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ]
    #7604370 - 11/06/07 08:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Student busted for pot,, family deported
November 6, 2007 - kvoa.com

A Catalina High School student was busted for possession of marijuana at school last week. When police and the boy's parents showed up, the parents admitted the whole family immigrated to the U.S. illegally.

Police called Border Patrol, which they say is standard procedure. The teen, his brother and both parents have now been deported.

Tuesday the boy's friends at Catalina High School took to the streets, angry at the way it all went down.

They marched from the high school to downtown Tucson in protest.

Over the several mile walk, they march, chant and carry protest signs in support of a classmate sent back to Mexico.

"Yeah it makes me mad," says student Erick Quintero.

"We're protesting because they took one of our classmates," says student Joddy Borrego.

TUSD superintendent Roger Pfueffer says he planned to talk with TPD about what happened.

"The police are required to enforce laws, but we're asking immigration laws be not enforced on our campuses," Pfueffer says.

Border patrol says it doesn't raid schools or churches, but if another law enforcement agency calls, they respond and enforce the law.

"In this instance we were called to assist TPD who were in the presence of the first young man," says Border Patrol Agent Richard DeWitt.

TPD says it's looking at changing its policy where it would still contact Border Patrol but would not ask the federal agency to respond to a school.

"I really need to emphasize we didn't not go out there looking to enforce illegal immigration issues. We were there because criminal activity on the part of the juvenile we took proper action, followed our policies," says TPD Assistant Chief Roberto Villasenor.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: veggie]
    #7604490 - 11/06/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Good, I bet you, any other country would do the same. If your here illegally, GET THE FUCK OUT.

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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: Cryogenicz]
    #7604566 - 11/06/07 08:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

We've got cops that are 100% gung-ho about busting skulls over drugs, but they apologize when they deport illegals... WTF is wrong with this country?

If the Mexicans want to protest, then the cops should have rounded them up and deported all they could too!


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: fastfred]
    #7604590 - 11/06/07 08:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Instead of shouting at people to gtfo, why not instead holler about getting immigration laws changed so that they are fair to people who are willing to immigrate here legally and pay taxes. The #1 reason people move here illegally is because America won't let them come legitimately. Trust me, I understand your anger... I pay taxes too, but remember, these people are just trying to escape one seriously screwed up country, and my dollar says that they'd learn english, get citizenship and pay taxes if we let them.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: fastfred]
    #7604721 - 11/06/07 09:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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We've got cops that are 100% gung-ho about busting skulls over drugs, but they apologize when they deport illegals...  WTF is wrong with this country?

If the Mexicans want to protest, then the cops should have rounded them up and deported all they could too!




:thumbup:

Though I will acknowledge it is fair and commonplace for a party to be judged by their past actions, even if in contradiction to its stated agreement.  Thus, I have some sympathy for illegals who have been allowed to live in this country for a long time prior to anyone in power giving a shit.

I think a reasonable compromise is some sort of squater's rights type deal where people living here for so long w/out thefts, assaults, or felonies and who can document employment, that their free of public assistance, and will start paying taxes, may be allowed to stay on a visa and apply for citezenship in X number of years.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: shroom_ninja]
    #7605074 - 11/06/07 10:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Instead of shouting at people to gtfo, why not instead holler about getting immigration laws changed so that they are fair to people who are willing to immigrate here legally and pay taxes. The #1 reason people move here illegally is because America won't let them come legitimately. Trust me, I understand your anger... I pay taxes too, but remember, these people are just trying to escape one seriously screwed up country, and my dollar says that they'd learn english, get citizenship and pay taxes if we let them.




Look, people who break the law to get into this country do not deserve to live in this country. And when mexicans protest because someone who broke a serious law gets deported, it's seriously seriously insulting. It's really an attack on civil laws, and every persons security in a nation. You don't break laws to come into a country, and then start protesting because you don't like the country. I hate America, but that it just not right. It's not like people arn't allowed in this country. America may have bad immigration laws. But there are many many countries for instance, who discriminate and pick and choose who they allow in their country. That's just reasonable. What if America let every person who wanted to to come live in America? It would be a disaster.

There are people waiting in line, and these illegal immigrants need to get in line too. Whether they have been here 1 week or 20 years, they should be deported or heavily heavily fined. They broke the law period, and it really shouldn't be tolerated at all.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7605434 - 11/07/07 12:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not seeing any if the pro-illegal points as being valid. Sure there are squatters here that have managed to avoid the law and are semi-respectable. But you can't argue that they should be allowed to stay simply because they've managed to elude us so far. If they've been here for years and have a family here then they've had plenty of time to file paperwork to get legal status or even citizenship. On our dime no less.

If you get a job here you can get a work visa quite simply. If you just want to visit I think you can just walk across the border and stay for up to three months. WTF is wrong with that? I know Canadian citizens that stay in the US and when their visa runs out ALL THEY HAVE TO DO is go across the border into Canada and they can come straight back for another three months! The literally have to leave the US only long enough to make it through 4 border checkpoints. That's not exactly a bad deal. There's also student visas and all kinds of other ways to get here legally.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7605504 - 11/07/07 02:02 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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And when mexicans protest because someone who broke a serious law gets deported, it's seriously seriously insulting.




What serious law was broken?


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: fastfred]
    #7605513 - 11/07/07 02:10 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well the preformance of the parties has always been a valid modifier to contract law- it's embodied in the uniform commercial code that's codified in most states.

I think its unfair to suddenly enforce rules that have been defacto repealed in the past. Let's remember the common illegal immigrant is not a criminal, it is a civil offense unless you've previously been deported.

I'm not saying I don't think people should be allowed to continue to take advantage of our past mistakes, I'm saying those who can demonstrate a presence here without criminal activity should be given the ability to pay reperations and recieve a visa and possible permanent residency... from there whatever.

It is the same deal if you have a contract with me and we have been acting contrary to that deal for years, in a consistant manner- the law of most states is that the contract is modified to reflect the actions of the parties.

I'm not saying this law applies to illegal immigrants, I'm saying it's not fair to suddenly enforce laws we've defacto repealed. Same as I believe its wrong to start enforcing speed limits posted at 25 when it had not been enforced till your over 50 for years prior- untill the authorities give notice. Sure this is not the ideal situation, the law should always be enforced as written, but when it has demonstrably not been, I think fairness should behouve us to take steps to avoid uprooting even those who came here illegally many years ago.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: fastfred]
    #7605623 - 11/07/07 04:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I love this part:

The police are required to enforce laws, but we're asking immigration laws be not enforced on our campuses," Pfueffer says.

Get the wetbacks out of our schools.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: FecalDildo]
    #7605797 - 11/07/07 07:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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And when mexicans protest because someone who broke a serious law gets deported, it's seriously seriously insulting.




What serious law was broken?




I guess he's referring to the son being busted with the pot... probably means it was in the parents' home.

Forget the fact that it was pot... it could be any othe law the kid could have broke.

I'm torn on immigration man... People need to get legal BEFORE they come here.... but then again, it's a little cruel and unusual to tear up a family, just from a human rights' perspective.

Legally, in this case, I don't think the family's got a leg to stand on.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: veggie]
    #7606405 - 11/07/07 11:02 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: BrAiN]
    #7606422 - 11/07/07 11:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I guess he's referring to the son being busted with the pot... probably means it was in the parents' home.




No way. I smoke cannabis.. I don't understand why you didn't get this.. I'm talking about illegal immigration itself. It's a serious crime and it's an assault on national sovereignty. It's a form of tresspassing, and people who do not respect a nations laws, should not live their at all. If people break the laws to get in to a country, they failed the biggest test. They should be given the boot.

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Forget the fact that it was pot... it could be any other law the kid could have broke.

I'm torn on immigration man... People need to get legal BEFORE they come here.... but then again, it's a little cruel and unusual to tear up a family, just from a human rights' perspective.

Legally, in this case, I don't think the family's got a leg to stand on.




How are they "tearing up a family"? They sent the family back to Mexico. If illegal immigrants cared so drastically about being torn away from their family, they would not come here, where they are seperated from their extended family. Immigration laws don't tear apart families. They enforce justice; they'll send the whole family back together. In the end, it's really the mexicans problem, or whoever gets here illegally. It's not right to sanction unlawful and wrong behavior. What's more upsetting to me than illegal immigration is how this generation is trying to handle it. I don't see how it's even an issue to be debated. This is standard procedure. We're not living 1000 years ago, when there were not the extreme tools of killing we have now. There's a lot more people to keep track of, and it's in the nations best interest to not allow people into this country who are a liability. That is reasonable.

It is not reasonable to accept people who break the laws to get in here and then protect them as persecuted minorities. It's nonsense. And you should be offended. People are just asking for trouble.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7607019 - 11/07/07 01:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I might just be playing devil's advocate here... like I said before I'm sort of split on the issue.

I'm just saying, not this example, but in others... families to get torn apart... many families end up getting their U.S. citizenship one at a time.

However that's the risk you take when you start your venture into the U.S.. I say.. if you don't commit crimes and can not get too much attention and make some money, more power to you. If you get caught... well... can't say you weren't warned to begin with.

I don't have so much of a problem with the way things are enforced. I just think that there needs to be a few changes in the way immigrants are allowed in.

Are we letting in too many people legally? If so, is that a BAD thing? And even if both answers are "yes"... can't we help people get in a little faster by allowing them legal, public work and charity projects? Unless you buidl a wall, people are going to get in illegally one way or another. Why not try to divert most of those people into ways that we can both benefit to handle the influx?


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: BrAiN]
    #7607084 - 11/07/07 01:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

good! if you are an illegal immigrant, taking risks like bringing drugs to school, you are accepting the risk of being deported.

I cant think of a single reason why anyone would support illegal immigration.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: BrAiN]
    #7607087 - 11/07/07 01:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Legalize!

Make it easier for immigrants to become citizens. Absolutely ridiculous that we treat human beings this way. Nationalism is the absolute worst. Nationalists are the most racist sons of bitches on this planet, no matter what country they come from, but especially America. Americans exploit their immigrants, whine about the problem they created, then kick them out. Immigrants should be complaining about this problem. Americans have no right to complain about something they created by treating other people like shit. Even Mexico treats its immigrants better than the rich U.S., and that is shameful.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: johnm214]
    #7607106 - 11/07/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I think its unfair to suddenly enforce rules that have been defacto repealed in the past. Let's remember the common illegal immigrant is not a criminal, it is a civil offense unless you've previously been deported.




That's not true at all. Immigration enforcement may have been a bit lax for a long time, but it has never been defacto repealed. Many thousands have been deported every year. And th3e borders have always been patrolled and illegals caught sneaking in.

The argument you put forth is a red herring invented by illegals to justify their actions. It has never been true, and even if it was it would have no real bearing on the issue.

Illegals have NEVER been allowed to come across illegally with our blessing, and they've never been allowed to stay here with our complete blessing. We simply haven't put enough effort into enforcement. That, and law agencies like to pass the buck when it comes to who enforces our border laws.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: fastfred]
    #7607125 - 11/07/07 02:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Just make em do community service to get back in

At least then you're making a fair trade... ability to live here in return for part time free labor "donated".

Criminals in the states convicted of less serious, less violent crimes often get sentanced a buttload of community service. If this type of service can be used as negotiating power for punishment of non-violent crimes... why not let illegals negotiate with it. Instead of kicking them out just be like.. here... build us a damn bridge and feed the homeless for two years in a dorm and we'll give you a greencard. Or you could just be deported... up to you. No one's sticking a gun up to your head.


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: BrAiN]
    #7607140 - 11/07/07 02:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Or the ultimate punishment. Take all the illegals and instead of deporting them.. sticking them in a 50 acre cubicle farm and making them do customer service for 4 years.

Not only will this pay their debt to society but their spirit will be broken and they will be easilly accustomed to their new life in the american workplace :wink:

I mean hell.. the army does it...


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Re: Student busted for pot,, family deported [AZ] [Re: BrAiN]
    #7607614 - 11/07/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I agree with both of your plans Brain. +5


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