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Azurescendence
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Is crumbling cakes hard on them?
#7604014 - 11/06/07 06:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a very simple (probably stupid lol) question about crumbling (pf style) cakes to create a casing from them...
Does the increased heavy handling that is required to break up the mycelium in a colonized cake cause any bruising/damage to the mycelium?
I have not heard of this being the case and since so many people crumble their cakes to either use as spawn or to use directly in casings, I assumed it would be fine to do so - but I thought that I would check with those of you who have experience...
is it possible to be too rough on a cake when breaking it apart?
Or is "just being careful" enough when you're crumbling?
Thanks for any help guys, I've been reading here for years, first as a mushroom user/enthusiast, and now as a mycological/cultivation enthusiast 
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Re: Is crumbling cakes hard on them? [Re: Azurescendence]
#7604081 - 11/06/07 06:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, since theres 8 veiws and NO replies...
No, it doesnt really 'hurt' the cake. Obviously don't go all hulk on it's ass and pound it to smitherines but you can cut it up small, big, circular, square, ect. and it'll be fine. The idea is to break it up into whopper candy sized pieces. This proves to be a good method as far as recovery time. Cakes CAN bruise blue, but then again, shrooms bruise wen they are barely picked sometimes. No REAL harm in bruising a cake. For good measure, spawn to poo. Then case or fruit as is.
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If you break it up into whopper size chunks it will recover and colonize the bulk substrate fine.
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Re: Is crumbling cakes hard on them? [Re: cbiegel]
#7604395 - 11/06/07 08:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just for the added repetitional value: breaking a cake up does damage the mycelium, but not beyond its capacity to repair and still function as an organism and do what it does (fruiting). It'll take a day or two for it to recover from it, but after that it'll reconsolidate and be just fine.
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Azurescendence
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Re: Is crumbling cakes hard on them? [Re: Skeeblix]
#7605063 - 11/06/07 10:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok cool, thanks guys, I figured that to be the case... with the crumble/case method being fairly popular as it is; but I wanted to ask I suppose really just to make sure I don't destroy my hard work through ignorance. lol
Thank you for the quick replies on the subject, also I know that this issue is debated here very frequently and the debate always tends to lean towards the casing side... but if anyone would like to post their opinion (preferably based on experience) on whether it's "better" to case cakes as opposed to just fruiting them as-is after dunking/rolling in verm.
Just wondering if you all think that it's worth giving the crumble & case method a shot on the first time through or if I should stick with cakes until I have a little bit more practical experience with cultivation.
(at the moment I'm planning on casing about half of them, to do somewhat of an experiment and to leave myself with some cakes just in case I introduce contaminates into my casing through some foolish beginner oversight lol (or bad luck for that matter))
any helpful comments on the subject appreciated... thanks again!
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Re: Is crumbling cakes hard on them? [Re: Azurescendence]
#7605211 - 11/06/07 11:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, with casings you get a lot more control over pinset, provided you keep conditions ideal for it. You can always patch a casing if the myc starts to poke through in some areas way before others. If you use a good light setup, you can get some really nice-looking flushes off a tray.
If you think you're confident you understand how to do it, give it a shot. It's not that much more work, and there's not too many ways you can go wrong with it. As long as you keep good sterile procedure you'll be just fine. Gloveboxes, even one as simple as a cardboard box with armholes and a window, help out big-time also.
Basically, you have little to lose. If you run three regular PF tek jars, it' pretty hard to go wrong with them. If you lose your casing, you have something to fall back to. If you lose it all, it's a disappointment, but it's also a learning experience.
Substrate is cheap and easy to make, and all it takes is one fruit to obtain a spore print or to clone an LC or agar plate. Experience is forever, and you've presumably already purchased everything you need keep at it.
give it a shot, and if you like how it turns out better than your other PF cakes, stick with it until you're comfortable moving on to something else.
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