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hightimesreader
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Pinning + light question
#7603912 - 11/06/07 06:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Okay, So I have a measily 5 pins out of the HUNDREDS of hypheal "fingers" on my casing. Whats the deal? I suspect that you need light for fruit bodys to form so I added a good source of 24/7 light (christmas tree lights) to the top of my gh. Good idea? I keep it around 69 - 74'F. Ultrasonic every 2-3 hours for 20 min. somtimes longer, 5 or more times a day. I open the gh every day and "flap" out the mist so that should take care of my co2 problems correct?
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Christmas Tree lights provide very poor lighting for pinning, you want a light that provides 6500-7500k. You can find these light at walmart, hardware stores, menards, etc. I'm not sure that is the problem as I am kind of new to this, but I do know that your lighting is not optimal
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I've read that turning on a light for exactly 1 second a day can make your casing pin okay. I know it doesnt provide GOOD lighting, but basically I've been told if you can see in and make out what things are, with any bit of color, it's perfect if not better. I've gotten an additional 7-9 pins around the side of the casing as well in the past 4 hours. Weird it happens so fast.. Don't think the lighting change mattered much. Any thoughts?
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I've read that turning on a light for exactly 1 second a day can make your casing pin okay. I know it doesnt provide GOOD lighting, but basically I've been told if you can see in and make out what things are, with any bit of color, it's perfect if not better.
You were told absolute bullshit, which is pretty common around here. Unfortunately, you have to pick out growers who are respected, and follow their advice. If you listen to some of the crap that gets posted around here by the noobs, it will seriously fuck up your grows, as you've seen first hand. Get a fluorescent lamp and put it near your fruiting chamber and you'll do fine. Run it 12/12 and NEVER run light 24/7. RR
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Re: Pinning + light question [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7604108 - 11/06/07 06:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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No christmas lights They look so nice next to the bright colors ... Mono tub advice is bs too? FAE plays BIG in pinning correct?
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Yes, and you'll find it even more important in various other species of edibles - especially some strains of oysters - my system is designed to completely change out all the air in my greenhouse every 3-5 minutes. I'm not going to deny that it could be considered as overkill but a side effect of higher FAE is you'll experience a great deal less fungal contaminations as they generally need stagnant air to germinate...just your spores did when they were first inoculated into that still-air jar with very limited gas-exchange.
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FAE is the number one pinning trigger after full colonization of the substrate. Light is a secondary pinning trigger, but an important one. Many pins form below the surface and push up from there, so if your light isn't bright enough to penetrate the casing or substrate a bit, you miss out on half your flush at least. RR
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The light cycling is 12 on 12 off for pinning, one you have initiated noticeable fruit body protection decreasing the light exposure to 15 minutes a day will provide a noticeable difference in their maturing rate, they defiantly do grow better in the dark once you are happy with the amount of fruit bodies formed on your casing.
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Re: Pinning + light question [Re: Pr0_X]
#7604173 - 11/06/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pr0_X said: The light cycling is 12 on 12 off for pinning, one you have initiated noticeable fruit body protection decreasing the light exposure to 15 minutes a day will provide a noticeable difference in their maturing rate, they defiantly do grow better in the dark once you are happy with the amount of fruit bodies formed on your casing.
...where'd you come up with that? I can't think of anything I know about the cubensis species that would make that statement true. Any cites?
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Re: Pinning + light question [Re: mycocurious]
#7604222 - 11/06/07 07:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's true that they tend to grow more during the period of darkness, but that's only part of the equation. The other part is that pins for second, third, and future flushes often form during the time of first flush. If you go cheapie on the light after the first flush is set, you hinder primordia development for future flushes. Mushroom mycelium has circadian rhythms just like humans. Give them a day/night cycle and they'll be much happier over the course of several flushes. RR
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Re: Pinning + light question [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7604296 - 11/06/07 07:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Mushroom mycelium has circadian rhythms just like humans. Give them a day/night cycle and they'll be much happier over the course of several flushes. RR
RR, if you're still checking the thread...
In regards to the mycelium's apparent circadian cycle, I've begun experimenting during fruiting with controlled temperature fluctuations that roughly coincide with the lighting schedule. My 12/12 light schedule begins on at 6:30AM -- 6:30PM. My temperatures are between 76-78(F) between 12:00PM - 6:30PM and drop down to their coldest point of 70-72(F) between 3:00AM - 6:30AM with a gradual rise and fall between those peaks. Basically an attempt to mirror the natural environment's heating and cooling rhythms as the sun rises and falls.
(* has nothing to do with the fact that my greenhouse is in my east/southeastern facing garage, I swear, lol...)
Anyways, I was wondering if you have ever done or read any research along those lines? All of my observations thus far are premature and subjective but I'd love to hear if you've got any references or person experience on the topic.
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Re: Pinning + light question [Re: mycocurious]
#7604309 - 11/06/07 07:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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My casing is pinning with barely any daylight at all. Its in the corner of a room in a tub. And no direct light only the fact that it gets light in my room with the shades drawn.
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hightimesreader
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Re: Pinning + light question [Re: mycocurious]
#7604331 - 11/06/07 07:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Mushroom mycelium has circadian rhythms just like humans. Give them a day/night cycle and they'll be much happier over the course of several flushes. RR
RR, if you're still checking the thread...
In regards to the mycelium's apparent circadian cycle, I've begun experimenting during fruiting with controlled temperature fluctuations that roughly coincide with the lighting schedule. My 12/12 light schedule begins on at 6:30AM -- 6:30PM. My temperatures are between 76-78(F) between 12:00PM - 6:30PM and drop down to their coldest point of 70-72(F) between 3:00AM - 6:30AM with a gradual rise and fall between those peaks. Basically an attempt to mirror the natural environment's heating and cooling rhythms as the sun rises and falls.
(* has nothing to do with the fact that my greenhouse is in my east/southeastern facing garage, I swear, lol...)
Anyways, I was wondering if you have ever done or read any research along those lines? All of my observations thus far are premature and subjective but I'd love to hear if you've got any references or person experience on the topic.
If it works out, I'll give you 5 shrooms for thinking it up again  I think that the temp COULD have an affect on the growth/maturity rate of the shrooms. I think light cycle might have more to do with it and humidity/FAE next in line.
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I also use an increase in temperature during the light cycle. It's not because I want to, it's just what happens when the lights are on, but it seems to mimic nature. RR
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Walter1496211 said: My casing is pinning with barely any daylight at all. Its in the corner of a room in a tub. And no direct light only the fact that it gets light in my room with the shades drawn.
Whats your substrate history on the tub, whats your humidity like and hows your fae?
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My other failures have taught me a bit about air exchange... I place a 12X6 Tupperware container inside an 8 gallon tub I use an identical piece of Tupperware turned upside down to keep the casing above the bottom of the tub. I place a Vick's cool humidifier inside with the casing and around the entire thing is a Martha closet i keep it slightly open and fan it out about 4 to 5 times a day I don't care what anyone thinks about my method I counted 35 pins about an hour ago.
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