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    #7603198 - 11/06/07 05:22 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I was thinking about growing another batch of mushrooms for the hell of it, but want to try something different.

I know people have been successful at cross-breeding types of psilcocybin mushrooms, however, I am curious if anyone has ever attempted to cross strains between an hallucinogenic and non-hallucinogenic species, for example, Psilocybe cubensis and Portobello.

I would like to work on a species of mushroom that has a much greater tolerance to airborne contaminants, and has a much faster rate of growth. I have little information to offer other than my initial idea, has anyone had any experience with such an experiment?


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Re: considering crossing strains. . . . [Re: mick]
    #7603209 - 11/06/07 05:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Do you understand what you have to do to cross strains?


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Re: considering crossing strains. . . . [Re: TurntableJunky]
    #7603223 - 11/06/07 05:27 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Crossing a Agaricus bisporus with a Psilocybe cubensis would be the equivalent of crossing a Felis silvestris with a Canis lupus (a cat with a dog).

Two different fungi from a different genus and/or species have no chance of being crossed.


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Re: considering crossing strains. . . . [Re: TurntableJunky]
    #7603252 - 11/06/07 05:35 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Do you understand what you have to do to cross strains?




absolutely no idea.

If it cannot be done because the species are too separate from each other, then nevermind. If theres a chance, I would attempt it.


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Re: considering crossing strains. . . . [Re: Chi Ro]
    #7603644 - 11/06/07 07:08 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Two different fungi from a different genus and/or species have no chance of being crossed.




Just for the record, that is not true. It is possible to produce a variant strain of mycelium that has formed clamp connections between cubes and other species such as oysters. The problems come in when you attempt to stabilize the genetics without having it revert to back to one species or another. Also, the first thing to be lost is likely going to be the production of the cube's active compounds...

(* I'd have to go digging in the advanced cultivation forum's archives but there are plenty of threads on the matter already *)


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Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.


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Re: considering crossing strains. . . . [Re: mycocurious]
    #7603661 - 11/06/07 07:12 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Chi Ro said:
Two different fungi from a different genus and/or species have no chance of being crossed.




Just for the record, that is not true. It is possible to produce a variant strain of mycelium that has formed clamp connections between cubes and other species such as oysters. The problems come in when you attempt to stabilize the genetics without having it revert to back to one species or another. Also, the first thing to be lost is likely going to be the production of the cube's active compounds...

(* I'd have to go digging in the advanced cultivation forum's archives but there are plenty of threads on the matter already *)




wow that is so cool ...


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Re: considering crossing strains. . . . [Re: orchidfanatic]
    #7603821 - 11/06/07 07:43 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

No. The definition of the word "species" includes reproductive isolation meaning that members of a species can mate and produce fertile offspring only with members of their own species. A horse and a donkey can mate and produce a mule. But, all mules are infertile. Therefore, a horse and a donkey are members of different species even though they can mate and produce offspring.

Basically, if this were to work you would need to breed it back with one of its parent species because the offspring would be infertile.

OR...

You could Clone the offspring...

Just my 2¢


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Re: considering crossing strains. . . . [Re: webdaemon]
    #7604041 - 11/06/07 08:34 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Fertile Mule :laugh:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,743641,00.html

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Re: considering crossing strains. . . . [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #7604073 - 11/06/07 08:44 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Honestly, if you got a cross to happen, I'd pay you for a culture of some sort.

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Re: considering crossing strains. . . . [Re: hightimesreader]
    #7604105 - 11/06/07 08:54 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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No. The definition of the word "species" includes reproductive isolation meaning that members of a species can mate and produce fertile offspring only with members of their own species. A horse and a donkey can mate and produce a mule. But, all mules are infertile.




WTF do horses and donkeys(mammals) have to do with fungi? Don't make shit up. Cross-species hybrids have been successfully completed with mushrooms. Crossing strains of the same species is easy. Search mine and workman's posts for more details.
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Re: considering crossing strains. . . . [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7604121 - 11/06/07 08:58 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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No. The definition of the word "species" includes reproductive isolation meaning that members of a species can mate and produce fertile offspring only with members of their own species. A horse and a donkey can mate and produce a mule. But, all mules are infertile.




WTF do horses and donkeys(mammals) have to do with fungi?  Don't make shit up.  Cross-species hybrids have been successfully completed with mushrooms.  Crossing strains of the same species is easy.  Search mine and workman's posts for more details.
RR




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Get on that pure white fuckin cuby mix mang! I want to buy some fuckin spores. Who knows, maybe you'll get active AND non-active fruits and you can clone the actives and grow the non actives for cover :evil:

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Re: considering crossing strains. . . . [Re: hightimesreader]
    #7604159 - 11/06/07 09:13 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Although I serious doubt that I'll ever have the technical knowledge or resources to pull it off but I have a real special place in my heart for this topic because I would love nothing more to be able to contribute in developing a new "strain" of a cubensis that is significantly more cold-weather tolerant. No real reason "why" I just think the project would be a remarkably enjoyable waste of time for several years.

Random stuff like that is half the reason mycology is fun for me. The other half is because it gives me an opportunity to do more "contraptioning" every once in a while, heh...


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Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.


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Re: considering crossing strains. . . . [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7604865 - 11/06/07 11:38 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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No. The definition of the word "species" includes reproductive isolation meaning that members of a species can mate and produce fertile offspring only with members of their own species. A horse and a donkey can mate and produce a mule. But, all mules are infertile.




WTF do horses and donkeys(mammals) have to do with fungi? Don't make shit up. Cross-species hybrids have been successfully completed with mushrooms. Crossing strains of the same species is easy. Search mine and workman's posts for more details.
RR




He came up with a high school textbook explanation, no need to jump on him like that. And an interspecies hybrid, or "cross-species" hybrid as you put it, isn't itself a new species. Which was his point I think.


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Re: considering crossing strains. . . . [Re: fastfred]
    #7604935 - 11/06/07 11:52 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yea, I had just got home from a 12 mile day hike with 10,000 feet of elevation change.  I can be a tad pissy at those times until I get my dinner.  It makes me feel sorry for Mrs Rabbit sometimes. :lol:

I wonder if an inter-genus hybrid would be considered a new species technically?
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Re: considering crossing strains. . . . [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7606364 - 11/07/07 12:51 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

well itll have to wait till the end of the semester at soonest before i attempt it. ill start researching until then though :grin:, and if anyone decides to try this and gets an interesting find please let me know. Thanks


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Re: considering crossing strains. . . . [Re: mick]
    #7606411 - 11/07/07 01:05 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Haven't you seen Ghostbusters?

"... Whatever you do, don't cross the strains..."


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