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your take on writers and such
    #7602771 - 11/06/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

what makes a writer? a person who publishes a book or a person that just writes or what? is there a difference between an author and a writer? and what makes a person write books?

this isn't about making small talk, i'm in the process of writing my second book and these are the issues & questions addressed in there.


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Re: your take on writers and such [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7602788 - 11/06/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

we're all writers - in some form or fashion.

authors write published material.

hope that helps :smile:


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Re: your take on writers and such [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7602820 - 11/06/07 02:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

my approach to being a writer is drinking at 10AM in the morning

fuck it, hemmingway did it, right?


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Re: your take on writers and such [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7602837 - 11/06/07 02:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Its a fruitless question of semantics. There is no need to distinguish between people who are being published and those who aren't. Between those who write a lot and those who write a little. If somebody writes something for it's own sake they are a writer. Further distinctions are matters of personal ego.


People write books because they feel they have something to say??


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Re: your take on writers and such [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7602874 - 11/06/07 02:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Anyone who writes is a writer.


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Re: your take on writers and such [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7602929 - 11/06/07 02:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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People write books because they feel they have something to say??




so do they do that for the good of other people? like they have something to say that may benefit other people?


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Re: your take on writers and such [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7602983 - 11/06/07 02:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

There is a big difference between writing FACT and FICTION.

I am an author, much less a writer.


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Re: your take on writers and such [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7603337 - 11/06/07 03:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

What was your first one?

Anyway, they're cool

I think I have to do a report on them

Maybe i'll be a writer one day


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Re: your take on writers and such [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7603356 - 11/06/07 04:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

What was your first one?

Anyway, they're cool

I think I have to do a report on them

Maybe i'll be a writer one day


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Re: your take on writers and such [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
    #7603468 - 11/06/07 04:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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What was your first one?

Anyway, they're cool

I think I have to do a report on them

Maybe i'll be a writer one day




a collection of short stories.


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Re: your take on writers and such [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7603620 - 11/06/07 05:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Post your favorite


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Re: your take on writers and such [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
    #7603656 - 11/06/07 05:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Post your favorite




ah sorry, it's all in estonian.

http://www.myspace.com/koertejumal

my book & books i've translated from english and published are all up there.


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Re: your take on writers and such [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7603975 - 11/06/07 06:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i am actually what i consider a writer.
i write tons and tons of short stories and have ideas for more, and ideas for books.


i write because i like to. i write things i would want to read about.. for entertainment purposes.

it takes more than just writing to write a book.. personally i think writing a book has to be GOOD writing. not anyone could write a good book.


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Re: your take on writers and such [Re: igwna]
    #7604261 - 11/06/07 07:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yeah that's also my idea: i write stuff that i would like to read, that would justify the existance of a book.


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Re: your take on writers and such [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7604359 - 11/06/07 08:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

By that definition I too am a writer


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Re: your take on writers and such [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7604458 - 11/06/07 08:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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so do they do that for the good of other people? like they have something to say that may benefit other people?




Some do, some don't, I guess. Many do it out of self-serving vanity. Many do it to clear the silence. Many do it for their own aims. Why does anybody create anything? Not to share it with others or to keep it to oneself...I guess to make our internal thoughts externally tangible?


I write to be creative, to let off creative stream. When I put down a lot in a writing session its a great feeling afterwards. A relief. When I don't write for a long time that energy builds up and it becomes negative


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Re: your take on writers and such [Re: badchad]
    #7604482 - 11/06/07 08:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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There is a big difference between writing FACT and FICTION.




Explain. I disagree. I think there is practically no difference between writing fact or fiction at all. Maybe the mind state of the person doing the writing, but as far as the individual text goes I can see no difference in of itself


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Re: your take on writers and such [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #7604635 - 11/06/07 08:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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so do they do that for the good of other people? like they have something to say that may benefit other people?



Why does anybody create anything?




that is what the book is about. i can never say why anyone creates anything, i can only try to explain it myself and i don't think that's egotism.


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Re: your take on writers and such [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7605289 - 11/06/07 11:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Not really, everyone has their own thoughts about it, you're just putting in literary form


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Re: your take on writers and such [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #7605368 - 11/07/07 12:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You've said some cool shit in this thread.


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Re: your take on writers and such [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #7605432 - 11/07/07 12:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

That child molester looks suspiciously like Conan O'Brian...

As for the thread subject, I guess it's obvious that a writer is anyone who writes, and an author is anyone who is published. What I think distinguishes good writers from the horde of bad writers, is the story they tell, the way they tell it, and why they tell it. You can be a great story teller, without a compelling story to share; you can conceive the most epic tale ever known, and fail to translate it effectively into words; and, you could fail at the former two traits, and still succeed because the power of your ideas outweighs your faults as a writer.

Why do people write? To inspire, because they've been inspired, to spread a message, to quench an idea, to instill revolution, to oppress a people - the list goes on and on. The reasons for writing are as diverse as the material that is written.

Just out of curiosity, what kind of book will this be? A novel about the creative mind, with a bit of sociological overview? If so, you'd be combining two of my biggest interests, so I would definitely be interested.


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Re: your take on writers and such [Re: badchad]
    #7605446 - 11/07/07 01:01 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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There is a big difference between writing FACT and FICTION.




artists (authors) use lies (fiction) in order to tell the truth.

(yay v for vendetta).


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Re: your take on writers and such [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #7605688 - 11/07/07 05:51 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Explain. I disagree. I think there is practically no difference between writing fact or fiction at all. Maybe the mind state of the person doing the writing, but as far as the individual text goes I can see no difference in of itself




Grammatically speaking, the two styles may be similar, although there some differences.

If someone were writing a factual paper (e.g. a scientific paper, a textbook chapter, etc.) the content is usually much more objective. The content describes facts, and has (relatively) less subjective bias.

Further, the advent of technology plays a role too. Anyone can write something, publish it online or in book form and proclaim: "look at me!, I am a writer!".

Because it is more objectively based, and peer-reviewed, publishing a paper on Pubmed is much more difficult. In my humble opinion, scientific, and FACTUAL writing is devoid of the passion, and uniqueness which may be more appropriately referred to as "writing".


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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