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Ok....Please help convince me of something.
#7602281 - 11/06/07 11:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have OCD. Im about to get Flamed ROYALLY for this but im gonna post it anyway. 
I was reading a thread in here about shamanism. A guy was postint that the kidiots of mushrooms and LSD need to stop thinking they are a shaman or think you can become one by taking a $50 dollar class. I actually agree with him. When i first started using hallucinagens i was one of those kidiots who thought shamanism was the coolest shit ever. And the power to heal with hallucinages was not only a cool "Idea" But would be fun and trippy as well.
He stated that most cultures have "signs" Of being a shaman. He also stated that a shamans right of passege was an intense one, and could often lead to DEATH! Since i was bored I decided to look them up.
Here is a small something I found. On Wikidedia actually (this isnt the only place I looked but its the one with the easiest discribtion of a shamans right of passage)
In the world's shamanic cultures, the shaman plays a priest-like role; however, there is an essential difference between the two, as Joseph Campbell describes:
"The priest is the socially initiated, ceremonially inducted member of a recognized religious organization, where he holds a certain rank and functions as the tenant of an office that was held by others before him, while the shaman is one who, as a consequence of a personal psychological crisis, has gained a certain power of his own." (1969, p. 231) A shaman may be initiated via a serious illness, by being struck by lightning and dreaming of thunder to become a Heyoka, or by a near-death experience (e.g., the shaman Black Elk), or one might follow a "calling" to become a shaman. There is usually a set of cultural imagery expected to be experienced during shamanic initiation regardless of the method of induction. According to Mircea Eliade, such imagery often includes being transported to the spirit world and interacting with beings inhabiting the distant world of spirits, meeting a spiritual guide, being devoured by some being and emerging transformed, and/or being "dismantled" and "reassembled" again, often with implanted amulets such as magical crystals. The imagery of initiation generally speaks of transformation and the granting powers to transcend death and rebirth.
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I Obsess and have anxiety about alot of things. And this passege is not the only one where i have Read "Being Struck by lightning" as a part of the initiation.
Ive experianced several of these symptoms. They very well COULD be coincidence. But if you look at what ive experianced from a "Western" POint of view. Its very possible that my symptoms match up with this.
OR PERHAPS we all can relate to this chart. I dont know. But before you flame me understand this.
I DONT WANNA BE A SHAMAN. I DONT CONSIDER MYSELF A SHAMAN. AND IF ANY OF WHAT I EXPERIANCED IS ANYTHING CLOSE TO WHAT A SHAMAN EXPERIANCES. I NEVER WANT TO BECOME A SHAMAN BECAUSE IT WAS THAT SCARY
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lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl
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Re: Ok....Please help convince me of something. [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
#7603424 - 11/06/07 04:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl
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Re: Ok....Please help convince me of something. [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
#7603449 - 11/06/07 04:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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are you on drugs?
your post doesnt make any sense to me, but i did try to understand
why do you think people will flame you?
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Re: Ok....Please help convince me of something. [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
#7603459 - 11/06/07 04:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't worry, you're not a shaman. And for god's sake, get a dictionary.
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Re: Ok....Please help convince me of something. [Re: adrug]
#7604002 - 11/06/07 06:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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It is my understanding that you normally wouldn't see a bona fide shaman making a long-winded post on a web forum about what makes him a shaman. He probably doesn't care whether or not the label "shaman" is appropriate for him.
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Edited by Tchan909 (11/06/07 06:27 PM)
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Quote:
adjust said: are you on drugs?
Quote:
I have OCD
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Re: Ok....Please help convince me of something. [Re: PsychedelicPhish]
#7604227 - 11/06/07 07:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not sure if the original poster was serious or not, but let me say this.
Shaman, Christian, Doctor, Teacher, these are all just words which are empy and meaningless of themselves. Do not cling to definitions or take their meanings too literally.
A shaman imo, is simply a spiritual advisor. Someone who is in touch with the spiritual world and someone who you can come to for psychological/spiritual guidance.
If you think that you can guide people in spiritual matters, then consider yourself a shaman.
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Re: Ok....Please help convince me of something. [Re: mushroomplume]
#7604565 - 11/06/07 08:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is why i HAD to post it.
It says in that describtion a shaman could be called forward by "A dream of getting struck by lightning"
It also says that the right of passege COULD kill you.
When i was on a good amount of shrooms I was almost killed by a cop. And While in that dream world i too was struck by lightning!
That lightning was his 50,000 Volt Taser gun. But its white mans lightning none the less!
(sorry. I tend to over think shit. Just the thought made me smile inside so i had to share)
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Re: Ok....Please help convince me of something. [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
#7604576 - 11/06/07 08:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Were you struck by lightning?
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Re: Ok....Please help convince me of something. [Re: geedorah]
#7604596 - 11/06/07 08:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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You shouldn't have left that out of the original post, would've made a lot more sense.
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Seeker,
I say this in a very positive light, so do not take it negatively.
You are not anything special. Lightning/electricity does not make anyone special. You are looking for things to justify something. Whether that be your identity, purpose, or direction in life.
You are who you are. Just let be and relax. Enjoy life for what it is. Think of all the people who are rock stars, celebrities, scientists, etc, etc, but how many people do you know who are happy?
Just be happy and the rest will unfold.
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Re: Ok....Please help convince me of something. [Re: mushroomplume]
#7604736 - 11/06/07 09:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think this whole thread was meant to be facetious...
...right?
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knowledge is for cutting
shaman doesn't mean jim bob featherdeer thinks you are because you have a piece of paper, or a peace pipe
healer doesn't mean you got a degree and a complex set of instructions on when to administer ritalin like a hammer to a genius sun's head
some shamans have credentials, recognition, prestige, associations, networks, RELIGION supporting them, some do not
what makes a shaman shaman in my mind is the true capacity to heal with entheogens or dreams, nothing more, nothing less
if a young man on acid brings light to his heart and therefore the world, and transmutes pockets of energy through fractals or just through his presence alone, good job!
if someone just wants to inflate their ego, which, ................. then..........................
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
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