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sublimemushhead
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how many quarts of bulk can i get away w/ puting in a mycobag!!!!!!!!!!! *DELETED*
#7602101 - 11/06/07 11:06 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Post deleted by sublimemushheadReason for deletion: Reason for deletion: moved to agaricus
Edited by sublimemushhead (11/06/07 01:33 PM)
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Skeeblix
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Bulk is just a term used to describe a larger grow. A mycobag itself is a method of bulk growing, as grain and horse shit make good bulk substrates.
What you're talking about here is spawn: Colonized grain that is broken up and introduced into a bulk substrate to allow quick colonization times and avoid contaminations that can set in before a syringe inoculation can colonize effectively.
Spawning is the procedure of introducing spawn to your bulk substrate. Basically, it just introduces a bunch of healthy, ready to grow mycelium in the form of colonized grains which can be mixed throughout the substrate. This gives you HUNDREDS of inoculation points, one from each little piece of grain you dump. Mycelium is already growing from them, so it'll be more than happy to start eating what you introduce it to.
You'll need to ask someone else about the ratios, I don't know that sort of thing off the top of my head, but I figured I'd clarify what you're doing a bit for you.
Good luck with the grow, bud.
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sublimemushhead
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Re: how many quarts of bulk per bag [Re: Skeeblix]
#7602520 - 11/06/07 12:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for regurgitated info. Am aware of what you are talking about and beyond. Not a noob. That said, In this process there is no need for grain. Been there done that, lots of success. This is skipping that and turning my "spawn" into spawn bulk(bulk){poo,coir,blood meal,charcoal dust,lime,timothy hay}. The grain has been replace w/ an L.C.. That is living mycelium. I never get a response that answers what I have asked. Just people spouting off what is known after reading half of my question.
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sublimemushhead
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You see I'm talking about how much poobulk, in an old hands opinion, just to put in the bag. Not how much to spawn to the bulk. In that case I go w/ a safe 1:3 ratio.
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Skeeblix
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hey, I didn't mean any offense by it, it just came off like it might have been your first time doing a bulk run. My bad if I offended you.
From what I've read, people have pretty good success with 2 lb bags of substrate. Never done bags myself, so I can't be completely certain, but I'm pretty sure that's what I read.
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Re: how many quarts of bulk per bag [Re: Skeeblix]
#7605725 - 11/07/07 06:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sorry to be on the defensive. Big reader and doer, so I lack on post numbers and ratings from the community. But I have been beyond the average 5 shroomer w/ 500+ post for ever. Maybe if I gave back more people would remember me and take my questions seriously. Just gets old being as knowledgeable as I am and people treating me like I don't know the difference between bulk and spawn, l.c. and multi spore,and so on(no offense to you). I would highly recommend you trying the myco bag. Just a better way of going about your substrate. Jars are a hassle. Bags fit more in them and don't crack. You don't even need an impulse sealer. That kept me away for awhile. But I have created an awesome way around this, works like a charm. If you ever decide to kick up your efforts w/ the myco bag give me a holler. I have Couple of years of mistakes to share w/ you as well all the tips and tricks I have come across. Sorry to be such a whiny bastard. Appreciate the balanced effort on your part not be a dick back. Your cool people man don't care what anyone else says.
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The only problem I'd possibly forsee in packing it to the top is not being able to break up whatever substrate you're using to assist in colonization.
Having the bag anywhere over half full wouldn't seem to help aerobic respiration at the bottom of the bag, especially if you're using something like Coir. That's not speaking from experience, just IMO.
Maybe go somewhere in between the 2.5-3 quarts and the 9 quarts and you'll have your answer?
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Re: how many quarts of bulk per bag [Re: Chi Ro]
#7605831 - 11/07/07 07:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The 9 quarts is about an inch and a half from the filter patch taking me to about 3/4 capacity. Giving me about a 1/4 of the bag for respiration and shifting. If I were to fill all the way my biggest fear would be contaminating when injecting(for I am old school shooting my lc's through the filter patch).
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Don't fill the bag more than 1/3 to 1/2 full. You need the top part as a plenum of air. If you fill it too full the gasses build up too much and the mycelium suffocates. The filter patches only allow for very slow gas exchange. RR
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Re: how many quarts of bulk per bag [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7605958 - 11/07/07 08:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks RR One of my hero's for sure, Now I'm not the conventional bag grower. Have no impulse sealer so what i do is grab the top of the bag in my hand and take a polly fill plug and place it inside the bag in my grip. Then I take a twist tie securing the bottom of the plug(from the outside of the bag) then one on top. So basically I have this big filter at the top of my bag as well. Would this allow me to push capacity to 3/4. By the way have been doing this w/ no contams from the beginning, don't think I;ll ever spring for a sealer(no contams, no loss of moisture why mess w/ it).
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I dunno. Try it and let us know. I also don't use an impulse sealer. I also often colonize bulk substrates in poly tubing such as used for straw logs. I roll up a tyvek sleeve and place one in both ends before tying the bag shut around the tyvek, similar to what you're doing with polyfill. If you'll use poly tubing, you can make much larger substrates using this technique. RR
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sublimemushhead
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Just saw my set up on a new post and their calling them space bags. Thats pretty cool since I wasn't aware of others using this method. Maybe more conventional than I original thought.
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Re: how many quarts of bulk per bag [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7605983 - 11/07/07 08:52 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Don't fill the bag more than 1/3 to 1/2 full. You need the top part as a plenum of air. If you fill it too full the gasses build up too much and the mycelium suffocates. The filter patches only allow for very slow gas exchange. RR
I will testify to that..happened to me
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sublimemushhead
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Where to get the sleeves. Do you fabricate them yourself. If so what type of plastic.
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Where to get the sleeves
I sell them on my website if you can't find a local source. Local hobby/kite building stores also sell tyvek in sheets. RR
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Re: how many quarts of bulk per bag [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7606683 - 11/07/07 12:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well of course you do. lol. Thanks bub.
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