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Fraggin
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Reverting back to the basics.
#7601747 - 11/06/07 09:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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This past weekend I had an opportunity to sample a fellow growers product. I was greatly satisfied with what he had to offer. The strain was grown from a multi-spore print taken from the wild. The reason that I was very happy with this experience was because the taste of the dried product was absolutely amazing. Over the past couple of years, I have developed an intense gag reflex to the taste and smell of cubes. The coincidence being that the past few years I have only partaken in those that I have produced myself. What I ate this past weekend was amazingly palletable. They actually tasted quite 'ok'. I didn't have any trouble chewing them up and swallowing. The 2nd dynamic related to the awe involved with this guy's sample was that on the come up, there was absolutely no nausea or gastrointestinal discomfort. Generally, I have pretty intense stomach pains with the last few batches I have grown. And this even happens when I make tea and strain the matter out... I'm beginning to wonder what the differences between my product and the ones I Sampled this weekend other than the obvious... Aside from being the product of a multi-spore print taken from the wild, they were grown on verm/brf. (I have not used this substrate in a long time) I generally grow on straw/coir or hpoo/coir. My first thought was that brf/verm just creates a cleaner, more pure product, but that is a lofty assumption.... My other assumption was that perhaps all of my dried specimens have some kind of unseen non-indicative bacteria of sorts.... I'd like to get you guys' input on this because I had almost given up on the shroom experience because I usually weigh the consequences of the discomfort vs. experience and have been leaning towards just giving it up altogether. With this catharsis in my shrooming experience, I'm really excited to duplicate this guy's method and start over with brf/verm. Any ideas?
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Re: Reverting back to the basics. [Re: Fraggin]
#7601777 - 11/06/07 09:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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most crops or plants adapt somewhat to thier substrates, I don't think it would be far fetched to say they taste different depending on what or where they grow.
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mycocurious
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Re: Reverting back to the basics. [Re: johnnyfacker]
#7601838 - 11/06/07 09:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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one of the most common sources of a bad aftertaste comes improperly dried and/or stored fruits. Especially when desiccants (damp-rid / dry-rite / etc.) are used because the powder from these desiccants invariably gets on the fruit and leaves a most unpleasant taste. A dehydrator can/will often eliminate these sources of bad aftertaste.
Another source of an "after-taste" is from using manure based substrates and not cutting off the bottom 1/2" or so from the base of the fruit...but much more often than not it has to do with the means in which they were dried or stored.
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Re: Reverting back to the basics. [Re: mycocurious]
#7601850 - 11/06/07 09:52 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have always used an american harvest dehydrator to remove moisture, and have alwasy stored them in ceramic flip lock sealed canisters with packs of silica gel. I have never cut the bottom half of the stems off though....
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Re: Reverting back to the basics. [Re: Fraggin]
#7601886 - 11/06/07 10:04 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sealed containers work best when you use an O2 Gobbler (oxygen absorber) rather than a silica gel packet. You can order them online for relatively cheap or you can go buy a couple packages of beef jerky and use those...although keep in mind that the ones found in beef jerky will often be nearly expired by the time you get at them and unlike silica gel packets, you can't dry them back out to be reused.
Most of the operate by containing powdered iron shavings. As the tiniest bits of moisture get on the iron shavings it begins rusting/oxidizing which consumes the available oxygen in the sealed container...
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Re: Reverting back to the basics. [Re: mycocurious]
#7601896 - 11/06/07 10:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the advice. I'll keep that in mind for the future... For the moment, I don't think I have a problem with drying/storing... I'd still like to get to the bottom of this issue because this is like a new beginning for me..
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Re: Reverting back to the basics. [Re: Fraggin]
#7602100 - 11/06/07 11:06 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I remember the first couple of times I tripped on something "homegrown" I spent alot of the trip analyzing. It really put a damper on the whole thing.
Maybe it's partly mental, you know you grew yours on manure whereas his were grown on rice.
Did you ever have a problem with trich? I have heard sometimes the fruits that grow near it can cause some gastrointestinal discomfort. I learned the hard way about damp rid. YUCK!
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Re: Reverting back to the basics. [Re: Fraggin]
#7602121 - 11/06/07 11:10 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wounder if you could use rice to dry fruits somehow
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Re: Reverting back to the basics. [Re: mushbaby]
#7602149 - 11/06/07 11:15 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have you tried one of the many ways people mask the taste?
Tea? Blending with OJ? With chocolate?
You're not the only person who doesn't like the taste...
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Re: Reverting back to the basics. [Re: mr_minds_eye]
#7602155 - 11/06/07 11:16 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i think you can just buy the dehydrator expantion racks and sit them on top of a fan
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Re: Reverting back to the basics. [Re: Slimz]
#7602166 - 11/06/07 11:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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my manure fruits have a reallly robust flavor/smell. my coir fruits have a subtle taste but still a robust smell. my brf fruits tasted way worse then manure fruits.
There is no way to make them taste any better. It's not the flavor people are after is it? if it is, you run with a strange crowd.
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Fraggin
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Re: Reverting back to the basics. [Re: Fraggin]
#7602168 - 11/06/07 11:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fraggin said: The 2nd dynamic related to the awe involved with this guy's sample was that on the come up, there was absolutely no nausea or gastrointestinal discomfort. Generally, I have pretty intense stomach pains with the last few batches I have grown. And this even happens when I make tea and strain the matter out... My other assumption was that perhaps all of my dried specimens have some kind of unseen non-indicative bacteria of sorts....
It's not just about the taste.... With the last dozen times I have dosed, I have pretty fucking harsh pains. Like I'm trying to digest a doubled edged knife....
The ones I had this weekend were absolutley no discomfort involved whatso ever.
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Re: Reverting back to the basics. [Re: Fraggin]
#7602186 - 11/06/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I Know what you are talking about.. its called body load (aka stomach pain, indigestion, digestive contractions)
That is caused by some of the other shit in mushrooms. I forget which shit are worse for it but some mushrooms end up having higher levels of the shit and causing more body load always thought it was the strain..
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Re: Reverting back to the basics. [Re: Slimz]
#7602265 - 11/06/07 11:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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These were the "Area 51" specimens if anyone was wondering.
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Re: Reverting back to the basics. [Re: Fraggin]
#7602428 - 11/06/07 12:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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It could be as simple as, on that occasion, your body was 100% ready to tackle what the shrooms had to throw at it. I mean every ones body works differently already, its not that much of a stretch.
I have seen many occasions where every one eats the same mushrooms, then only certain people get sick. I have noticed its usually the same people getting sick, and the same ones not.
Some people digest them better than others, thats my theory on the whole matter.
So maybe on that occasion, your body just digested the mushrooms properly. It might not go as far as being a quality of the mushroom, or it could be a combination of both there's really no way to know for sure.
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Re: Reverting back to the basics. [Re: d4a2n0k]
#7603212 - 11/06/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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In terms of the gastro-intestinal discomfort... some people's body are more willing to let you know it is not keen on digesting something it considers a "poison" than others... Just like only (approximately) half of the students in science class could taste the litmus strip, so too is this true. At least to the best of my knowledge, anyways.
Personally speaking, the only drug that has ever made me ill has been cannabis - which is ironic considering it's been prescribed to treat nausea in others - and occasionally cigarettes if I chain smoke. We really are all unique little snowflakes, lol...
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Re: Reverting back to the basics. [Re: mycocurious]
#7603936 - 11/06/07 06:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Let me clarify... I have eaten my fare share of cubes. Only within the last two batches, have they began to give me nausea. I know enough of the control factors and variables to know that something with my last two batches. (straw logs) have given me stomach discomfort on a satanic level.
I tried to search the posts, but the most info I could get was along the lines that shroom matter is not digestible and those that have discomofort in the gullet should try tea....
I honestly think that my last setup was infected with some kind of unknown bug.....
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Re: Reverting back to the basics. [Re: Fraggin]
#7604076 - 11/06/07 06:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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at that point, it sounds bacterial. An unseen, undetected bacterial contaminate could have been present without harming the mycelium and have been passed along through the fruits. Our best line of defense against that is our nose but sometimes the nose doesn't know...
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Don't mistake my tone for a "matter-of-fact" attitude. I'm just presenting what I believe to be correct, until I'm corrected... - How Myco-Curious Prepares Coir & Compost Substrates - How Myco-Curious Builds A Bulk Humidifier - How Myco-Curious Builds An Automated Greenhouse ------------------------------------ figgusfiddus said: Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.
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