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Re: the fog of war [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7649364 - 11/17/07 10:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
Good and evil don't exist. They are merely culturally relative terms.




then they still exist


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Re: the fog of war [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7649497 - 11/17/07 11:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Sorry, Jonathan, but good and evil cannot be both inclusive and exclusive. :nono:




You're going to have to explain this a little more.

What I was saying is that they're mutually exclusive.


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Re: the fog of war [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7649514 - 11/17/07 11:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Then you would be wrong.

Give one example of a moral that transcends culture and what you base this upon.




There are numerous examples. Just think of the most basic virtues, and go from there. We all share moral values. Diplomacy for instance is based upon this notion.


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Re: the fog of war [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7649515 - 11/17/07 11:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I am going to have to explain your inconsistency? :wtf:

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sometimes in order to do good you have to do evil.



That is not mutual exclusivity.


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Re: the fog of war [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7649922 - 11/18/07 02:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

This defenition:

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And there is evil like sometimes hurting someone in a battle. This definition falls under harm.




is not evil. That was the distinction I was trying to make. It is not truly evil.


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Re: the fog of war [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7650140 - 11/18/07 06:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I say that when people do Good other people can feel their goodness and know its good most of the time.

When people do bad, no one benefits, and though people may gain material objects from bad deeds, that wont make them happy or feel good.

In classical conditioning its proven that rewarding good behavior is a much better way to learn then punishing bad behavior. This can be seen in many cases where abuse of a young child leads to homicide or pedophelia later in life.


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Re: the fog of war [Re: leery11]
    #7652781 - 11/18/07 09:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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leery11 said:
i have seen it

is that dudes third eye open?

is he illuminati

good
evil

neither?
ever seen the gods must be crazy?

the dude cried over a medal

what about that? do we hold his tears in compassion

do we judge him a killer?

it was an interesting film for me to see

i think he was being truthful, i think he believed what he was doing, and it made me less conspiratorial in general

but

nothing wrong with communism darn it!




This is exactly what struck me when I watched it! McNamara actually looked 100% sincere. I had always imagined him a conniving master of deceit, but now I see him as just simple minded. The same thing happened with George Bush Sr after reading Kitty Kelly's unauthorized Bush family biography...definitely made me less conspiratorial. I guess most of these political leaders are really just dolts.


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Re: the fog of war [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7652891 - 11/18/07 10:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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jonathan_206 said:
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Then you would be wrong.

Give one example of a moral that transcends culture and what you base this upon.




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There are numerous examples.



OK, give one like I asked.

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Just think of the most basic virtues, and go from there.



Yet another dodge.

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We all share moral values.



Wrong again. Some of us share some moral values.

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Diplomacy for instance is based upon this notion.



Diplomacy is a negotiating skill not based upon morality, but upon giving each side something that they want.

If you believe in what you say you can surely give one example of a moral that transcends culture and what you base this upon like you stated.


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Re: the fog of war [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7652899 - 11/18/07 10:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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jonathan_206 said:
This defenition:

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And there is evil like sometimes hurting someone in a battle. This definition falls under harm.




is not evil. That was the distinction I was trying to make. It is not truly evil.




Wearing a uniform and getting a paycheck makes killing not evil? What is the distinction besides some arbitrary line you just made up?


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